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[ElectricBlue187]

Seriously? Is that normal in the US?

Uh yes, hanging out with your friends is normal in the US

 

[kirblar]

Seriously? Is that normal in the US?

This case happened in the UK. Pretty sure it's not normal anywhere.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

When I have a kid they are never going to have a phone. I grew up without one until I was 18, you will live.

No internet either, am i rite?

You'll really create a divide between your kid (especially if you have a girl) if you take away a major social tool that all their friends will have.
Since you don't even have a kid, we're talking at least 10 years or so in the future where such devices will be even more important to social integration.
But yeah, deny them it. High school is only a few hard years during the most turmoil and confusing time of your life, let them tough it out as the pariah. It'll teach them good lessons for later in life.

 

[Dark Octave]

Uh yes, hanging out with your friends is normal in the US

Wearing makeup at 12 years of age and going out at night is normal?

 

[Martian]

Angry Birds

Hangman Mobile

Spoiler

Ill let myself out

 

[GJS]

Wearing makeup at 12 years of age and going out at night is normal?

Less common at age 12 sure, but that could be the start or even the second year of secondary school depending on where you are in the UK and that was certainly when that behaviour started to become more common back when I was in school, and it's the kids you see when you are walking home from work now.

Kids with poor parental supervision are hanging out at night, slowly start to get other kids in their friend circle pulled into it, parents start giving in and letting their kids out later and later, throw in some older kids from the years above in there as well.

You have also got to take into account when it actually starts to get dark, your looking at it being dark like an hour or two after school ends at certain times of the year, it's very easy to slip into letting the kids stay out as it gets darker and darker and they start wanting more independence.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Wearing makeup at 12 years of age and going out at night is normal?

For a lot of parents who can't be bothered to be parents, sure. Much easier to let them do what they want.

 

[Devolution]

Wearing makeup at 12 years of age and going out at night is normal?

Yes? When I was in middle school plenty of kids started going to movies or the mall.

For a lot of parents who can't be bothered to be parents, sure. Much easier to let them do what they want.

Going to the movies or the mall with friends isn't a big deal. Now if they are off doing other things that's when you step in.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Wearing makeup at 12 years of age and going out at night is normal?

I can't speak to the makeup but when I was 12-13 I went out with my friends every night I could. Of course I was a dweeb so I wasn't doing anything scandalous like this girl at that age. Plus in most areas you can't get anywhere without your parents driving you there anyway.

 

[Wazzim]

Yes? When I was in middle school plenty of kids started going to movies or the mall.

I can't speak to the makeup but when I was 12-13 I went out with my friends every night I could. Of course I was a dweeb so I wasn't doing anything scandalous like this girl at that age. Plus in most areas you can't get anywhere without your parents driving you there anyway.

Pretty funny how different things can be. Any of that wasn't the case at all when I was 12-13 (as far as I remember).

 

[Devolution]

Pretty funny how different things can be. Any of that wasn't the case at all when I was 12-13 (as far as I remember).

How old are you?

 

[javac]

The jokes in here are too much, like not even funny.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I'm planning on getting my daughter the shittiest prepaid pile of shit that I can find. And only that much because these days you absolutely need one for emergencies. 15 years ago there were pay phones everywhere but not anymore.

 

[PflargBlarg]

You've got a lot to learn about teens and cell phones, friend.

Or maybe there was something she considered so shameful and embarrassing on the phone that she would rather die than have to deal with it. To a depressed young girl that might seem logical.

It is not uncommon for young people to commit suicide over something like that.

What I was thinking too, especially as she did it with a scarf. None of it sounds planned, just a teen trying to punish her parents and it going horribly wrong.

Just going to point out that it says right in the article that the coroner ruled it not a suicide but 'death by misadventure'. It is not uncommon for attempted suicides to be cries for help and/or attention, as opposed to actually intending to take your own life. I don't think it really had to do with the cell phone, it's a symptom of a much deeper problem.

She said she could not be sure that Jade’s actions weren’t ‘simply another cry for help or call for attention’, and concluded: ‘I cannot be satisfied that she intended to take her own life.’

 

[Insane Metal]

Wow, that's really weird for me, people that I know don't let their kids go out at night being only 12, specially if it's a girl.

 

[3N16MA]

Wearing makeup at 12 years of age and going out at night is normal?

Makeup at age 12 is becoming much more common. Girls in Junior high wear makeup.

 

[Gallbaro]

I have a 13 year old daughter and thankfully weathered the storm before the smart phone age with my 21 year old step daughter. It's going to be much different this time around I know that for sure.

I already make my 2 teenagers give me their phones at 9:30pm each school night so that they are not distracted by them when they should be resting for school. Stories like these scare the shit out of me.

Why give a 13 year old a phone?

 

[bill0527]

Too soon

Yeah too soon. But goddamn if I didn't chuckle.

i guess we'll all be on that same boat straight to hell together.

 

[Vermillion]

Wow, that's horrid.

Why they don't have regular psychology classes and mental health (like physical health) checkups at middle/highschool is curious to me. It seems important to treat mental issues as serious as physical issues, especially at such a vulnerable age. Teaching kids/teens about the mind and how it works, as well as chemical imbalances (and trauma's) should be an important subject...

I imagine most teens have issues, honestly.

 

[Devolution]

Why give a 13 year old a phone?

So they can contact you?

 

[flippedb]

Seriously? Is that normal in the US?

GAF claims that's how the world works!

I really find that ridiculous, night parties at 12?

 

[Devolution]

GAF claims that's how the world works!

I really find that ridiculous, night parties at 12?

Going out at night is normal. Movies, the mall, hanging out with friends at their house, middle school parties, boys and girls hanging out together.

Partying like you're in college is not.

The fact that I have to explain this, wow.

 

[Vermillion]

In spite of my protests, many of you reading this thread right now will probably be parents at some point.

When you are, remember that as a parent you do have authority over them but you cannot wantonly violate their privacy.

I disagree. In an instance in which I suspect abuse, fuck their privacy. You are still responsible for them.

 

[3N16MA]

GAF claims that's how the world works!

I really find that ridiculous, night parties at 12?

Most have a curfew so it's not the same as being in college and doing whatever you want. It's most likely just hanging out with friends at their house and nothing too wild.

 

[AgentP]

I fucking hate smart phone culture. You've got students and adults thinking that they can't do without their phones for a period over 15 minutes. They actually start to get anxiety. It is depressing and stupid as hell.

I don't think the hanging had anything to do with missing the phone. Was probably in response to her boy issues and dad exposing them.

 

[Demon Ice]

Edit: wait, she died 6 days later from a hanging, which was more than likely strangulation rather than the snapping of the neck? Doesn't that sound REALLY odd?

6 days later?


Hmm, I suppose...It was my understanding that with asphyxiation, the lack of oxygen to your body would simply shut your body down, and if it was a case where she was on life support for 6 days without recovery, the rest of her body would be too fargone to recover.

But I'm no doctor.

Probably was brain dead from lack of oxygen.

Asphyxiation is usually not the cause of death when it comes to hanging.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangman's_fracture

It can be treatable.

Alternatively, if she DID in fact suffer from asphyxiation, she could have been kept on life support. But brain damage begins extremely quickly in cases of oxygen deprivation so I doubt the prognosis was ever very hopeful. Sad story.

 

[GJS]

Asphyxiation is usually not the cause of death when it comes to hanging.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangman's_fracture

It can be treatable, which is how she was able to live for 6 days.

Alternatively, if she DID in fact suffer from asphyxiation, she could have been kept on life support. But brain damage begins extremely quickly in cases of oxygen deprivation so I doubt the prognosis was ever very hopeful. Sad story.

She was on life support for those six days.

I don't know why everyone keeps bringing up snapped neck sort of situations in this thread, I don't think I've ever heard of an amateur suicide hanging that resulted in that, as far as I'm aware it is usually constriction of blood circulation to the brain and maybe asphyxiation.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Crazy obsession with social standing is the murderer of this innocent girl.
It's not the mobile phone, or her going out at the age of 12/13 (that's normal) - but the importance she tied to her social standing.

 

[HoodWinked]

she sure told him.

 

[la flama blanca]

Like dis thread if u cry evertim

My dude. This made me laugh out loud.

 

[adamsappel]

You're obviously a terrible parent.

Spoiler

joking

Believe me, my wife and I had the "we didn't have anything like that when we were her age" talk. With two adults upgrading phones every other year, you end up with a pretty nice extra phone to hand down. And to those who say they'll never do it, it's a lot more reassuring knowing you can contact your kid at any time when they are out of the house. Your kid is never going to be able to lie about being at the library (what's that?) when you can FaceTime with them.

 

[Devolution]

Believe me, my wife and I had the "we didn't have anything like that when we were her age" talk. With two adults upgrading phones every other year, you end up with a pretty nice extra phone to hand down. And to those who say they'll never do it, it's a lot more reassuring knowing you can contact your kid at any time when they are out of the house. Your kid is never going to be able to lie about being at the library (what's that?) when you can FaceTime with them.

Yeah plus pay phones are pretty much gone. So how else are they going to do it?

 

[Insane Metal]

Going out at night is normal. Movies, the mall, hanging out with friends at their house, middle school parties, boys and girls hanging out together.

Partying like you're in college is not.

The fact that I have to explain this, wow.

Movies, mall, these kind of things, here, at 12, are not normal at all... then again, it's probably because where I live it's too dangerous (Brazil).

 

[Dark Octave]

Makeup at age 12 is becoming much more common. Girls in Junior high wear makeup.

Fuck. That.

I have a daughter and hell to the NO is that ever gonna fly with me.

...must be out they goddamn mind...

 

[marrec]

I disagree. In an instance in which I suspect abuse, fuck their privacy. You are still responsible for them.

Absolutely agree, but you can't destroy any semblance of their privacy by stealing forcing them to give you their phone unless it's absolutely necessary (It may have been in this case). I just wanted to point out that your kids are real little people and if you don't treat them that way they may push back harder instead of simply bending to your will.

It would have been best if they had a relationship in which she would have allowed one of the parents access to her personal life without any kind of serious capital P parental intervention.

 

[Vino]

Then! When they get a phone at 18, they'll have no idea how to pay for it or replace it or take care of it.

Sounds like a great plan.

It's a cellphone, not a dog, and it's not like the kid will also be living in a cave with no other electronic devices.

 

[Zoe]

Makeup at age 12 is becoming much more common. Girls in Junior high wear makeup.

I wore makeup more in middle school than in high school. That was 20 years ago.

 

[GJS]

Fuck. That.

I have a daughter and hell to the NO is that ever gonna fly with me.

...must be out they goddamn mind...

She will just put it on when she gets to school, or just before she gets there.

 

[Derrick01]

Oh she tried to OD on Tylenol in 2011? Yeah parents should have take that door off the hinges...

I'm more hardcore than her, I tried that when I was 5. I loved the taste of it and thought it was a drink :lol

 

[Dark Octave]

She will just put it on when she gets to school, or just before she gets there.

I've already thought about that.

I have a plan.

 

[Killing_Joke]

All these young girls getting tricked into sexting and nude pics is horrible. You can easily take off texting and data. Young teens don't need the latest iphones and androids.

 

[coldvein]

im going to raise my kids in the wilderness.

 

[Vermillion]

Absolutely agree, but you can't destroy any semblance of their privacy by stealing forcing them to give you their phone unless it's absolutely necessary (It may have been in this case). I just wanted to point out that your kids are real little people and if you don't treat them that way they may push back harder instead of simply bending to your will.

It would have been best if they had a relationship in which she would have allowed one of the parents access to her personal life without any kind of serious capital P parental intervention.

Yeah, you're right. Personally, I'd hope that whatever kids I do have feel no need to hide anything from me. But if they end up with my personality type, they may do so anyways :|

 

[flippedb]

Going out at night is normal. Movies, the mall, hanging out with friends at their house, middle school parties, boys and girls hanging out together.

Partying like you're in college is not.

The fact that I have to explain this, wow.

Are we sure she wasn't partying like she was in college? Her story seems to point at a different direction than just middle school parties.

Most have a curfew so it's not the same as being in college and doing whatever you want. It's most likely just hanging out with friends at their house and nothing too wild.

She was most likely having sex since 13, and I'm pretty damn sure it had something to do with those friendly parties.

 

[Vargas]

She will just put it on when she gets to school, or just before she gets there.

She will get caught just like Vanessa did.

 

[3N16MA]

Are we sure she wasn't partying like she was in college? Her story seems to point at a different direction than just middle school parties.


She was most likely having sex since 13, and I'm pretty damn sure it had something to do with those friendly parties.

I'm speaking of 12-13 year old girls in general not this particular girl. Most have curfews and do nothing more than hang out with their friends.

 

[Javaman]

They're going to have to walk 18 miles in the snow uphill like I never did.

You're lucky. Back in my day we didn't even have legs.

 

[BankaiZaraki]

Stupid way to go out over a cellphone. Oh well.

 

[Raxus]

Stupid way to go out over a cellphone. Oh well.

I think it was mostly the abusive boyfriend. Surprising how most skip that detail.

 

[Devolution]

Are we sure she wasn't partying like she was in college? Her story seems to point at a different direction than just middle school parties.


She was most likely having sex since 13, and I'm pretty damn sure it had something to do with those friendly parties.

Obviously she was partying but people are saying being out at 12 is weird in general. It's frankly not, at all. Neither is wearing makeup.