60_gig_PS3
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I feel like Nintendo is understaffed or something. They just can't seem to get the games out quickly enough. They should really take some of that pile of money and buy some more developers...like Sega.
Nintendo to meet UK retailers after unofficial Wii U price cuts fail
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airmangataosenai
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It can't be said enough that the price is only a very small part of the problem.
Miles Quaritch
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I think a shake up is in order, but perhaps not a drastic one. I do agree that they can't rest on their laurels like they did with NSMBU, it was a terrible decision to launch the console with what was essentially a scaled up Wii title.
Aquamarine
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Nintendo has always released like 1 game a month (average) at max.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Has Nintendo ever commented on whether or not it would ever go third party?
metalslimer
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It just honestly astounds me someone could have thought the series of events leading into the wii u launch and after were good ideas. Even if they manage a turnaround I wouldnt want top Nintendo management around i i were a shareholder.
The 2nd moment of truth was their bs about focusing on 3ds last semester when they were launching a freaking console
The 2nd moment of truth was their bs about focusing on 3ds last semester when they were launching a freaking console
yes. They won't.
As I have learned, there is no room for personal preference in sales topics. All that matters is the cold, hard numbers. I think it's a shame but I understand why it has to be that way. When it comes to UK software sales, the Wii-U is dire and therefore the library is dire. It sells less software than the Vita for crying out loud.
I understand why you'd feel that the future (unannounced) library has potential, but that's neither here nor there at this point. Retailers aren't stocking the future library, they're stocking the present library.
Barack Lesnar
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That second E3 was the dagger and here's why... they had a full year, 12 months, before the next E3 to 'fix' the super obvious flaws with the console (the marketing, the name, making sure to have good game footage ready) and they did nothing. E3 2012 should have been a re-reveal of sorts, but instead Nintendo delivered a re-disaster. That's not a word but you get my point.
Streaming PS4 games will probably be of more worth in that glorious era than a 3 year long stillborn console but with Google Street View
You know certain NeoGAF subsets are getting rattled when they feel obliged to mention Ignore lists. Tumbling down, tumbling down...
I own both consoles, I'm just messing. Stream PS4 games is a dumb as hell argument however. Yeah let's buy a £150 controller on top of the PS4
Komm, süßer Tod indeed.
Saturn comparison is brutal. Perhaps on target, but still brutal.
And referring to my dear Saturn as "confused, rushed, and forgotten" really makes me tear up. I loved that system. I wish I still had an easy way to play Virtua Cop 1 & 2, House of the Dead, Necronomicon Pinball, Bust-a-Move 2: Arcade Edition, and many others.
saturn could have been a pretty big force. i mean, it did really well in japan- and even outsold the n64 despite dying much earlier. it's a shame sega rushed the system, and didn't focus enough on 3d capabilities when that was obviously the way things were going.
wii u is the same thing. give it a different name, better marketing, some games like pikmin 3 and rayman legends, and have all the features like tvii ironed out and available at launch, and things might look different right now. not great, but more comparisons to early xbox 360 and less to failed systems.
I've made this point before, but as far as drumming up excitement for a new console, I think E3 2011's tech demos did a better job than E3 2012. So bizarre.
metalslimer
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Fail in launching the 3ds and end up diverting resources to save that while simultaneously failing in western 3rd party relations
E3 2011 was criticized but it was good enough. Committment to 3rd parties, interesting tech, promises.
This whole "same Nintendo" argument is kind of funny to me considering what Nintendo did with the Wii was perhaps the least traditional and most drastic direction a console had taken in recent history. Come on, there's a billion better arguments than this as to why Nintendo fucked up with the Wii U, and I don't see what anyone but them has to lose by having them stay in the console race.
Nintendo needs games released on the Wii U, better marketing, making sure third party games look very attractive on Wii U (as in content, paying for exclusives, etc).
I think it's way to early to say what the Wii U will be next year or what the PS4/720 will be next year.
The gaming world can be a crazy place, so who knows what Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft will be like at the end of the generation.
I think it's way to early to say what the Wii U will be next year or what the PS4/720 will be next year.
The gaming world can be a crazy place, so who knows what Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft will be like at the end of the generation.
timetokill
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Yes: "We'll go out of business before we go third-party."
Bending_Unit_22
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The big question with that is whether consumers look at the new consoles as toys or electronics. Handhelds are clearly still looked at as toys and consoles used to be, but lately they have moved to the electronics category. The difference is low price is king for toys while a high price can help with electronics (under the assumption that 50% higher price = four times the value). That's within reason of course, $250 vs $600 is a bit of an extreme example. Of course we still don't know how close to reason Sony is at the moment.
Not every company needs to be "massively successful", or engaged in an endless king of the hill battle. Nintendo is not a company that has the size, brand, or philosophy to sustain such a battle for long anymore, but they have a niche and a fairly profitable one at that should they exploit it correctly. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. The worst thing for Nintendo right now would be to try to go whole hog and be #1 next gen while sinking the company in the process.
I remembered them, I don't care for Smash Bros. or fighting games in general, so there were long periods with nothing much to play. Well, except my 20 min or so a day of Animal Crossing.
The whole point of business is to offer something better then your competitors and Nintendo cant even do that with the current generation.
After 720 and PS4 release the only way I can see the WiiU be a success is to be 50% cheaper,have the majority of 3rd party releases and have amazing unique games that the 720 and PS4 cant do.
If they dont do that I dont see why anyone apart from the Nintendo die hard would even bother!
I think Nintendo are going to pay the price for not being competitive in an industry they are clearly in.
After 720 and PS4 release the only way I can see the WiiU be a success is to be 50% cheaper,have the majority of 3rd party releases and have amazing unique games that the 720 and PS4 cant do.
If they dont do that I dont see why anyone apart from the Nintendo die hard would even bother!
I think Nintendo are going to pay the price for not being competitive in an industry they are clearly in.
metalslimer
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Which is a complete and total lie. They arent throwing away shareholders money out of spite. Nintendo shouldnt go 3rd party though. They just need completely new management
the e3 2011 trailer was more interesting and attention-grabbing than anything they've shown then. wasn't like the wii reveal, but there felt like there was some idea behind it. then we got people in glass cubes with loud dubstep.
infinityBCRT
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Seems like a combination of consumers waiting for PS4/Nextbox and the fact that much of their market has moved on to the iPad is hurting them big time. I was thinking maybe they need to do something drastic, like unbundle the Wii GamePad from the System and sell the system for less ($179.99?).
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Holy shit. If they said that then the people running that company are dumber than i ever imagined.
Let's get the main part of the system, pivotal to is functionality, and take it away!
Tallshortman
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Japan's love for their handhelds will keep them afloat enough to stay in the hardware market no matter how dire the home console situation gets in other territories. If that ever collapses then yes they would go third party, they're publicly owned so shareholders aren't going to allow management's stubbornness to lose their billions of dollars.
They do.
I never read that comment but I did read them say "If we ever have to stop making hardware than we'll leave this industry all together".
But really, there's no reason Nintendo should go third party, same for Sony/Microsoft.
I don't really understand why people hope any of them will leave, it will just hurt the industry.
metalslimer
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They dont. Throwing away billions in IP? please They arent going 3rd party anytime soon though
I know I keep repeating myself in these sorts of threads, but the lack of games for me isn't a major issue as much as the absolute (and I mean that in the literal sense of the word) absence of marketing. Nintendo could be promoting ZombiU, NSMBU and Nintendoland and for the average consumer, who doesn't frequent game websites and know about the dearth of new software, that's three interesting exclusives. All this nonsense about struggling to market the Wii U's 'philosophy', meanwhile, is just a (bad) excuse: show which unique features the console brings to new games (off-TV play in NSMBU and asymmetrical multiplayer Nintendoland, touch screen use in ZombiU) and it's job done. The only other block would be the price, and the £50 cut is already a step in the right direction by retailers. This is all on Nintendo in any case, and even as a lifelong user of their consoles, can plainly see they've done a horrendous job supporting their console in terms of software and promotion in these first six months.
if you can think of an easier way to play nintendo games, i'd like to hear it!
Worst case scenario for the Wii U is that Microsoft and Sony keep selling the 360 and PS3 as low budget systems.
bequietdrive
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I'd be interested to see whether Nintendo really do have a better ad campaign and serious plans to turn the situation around - hopefully we will hear what comes out of this meeting.
You have to look at the context. The quote was made when wii was launched and nintendo came from a rough gamecube, n64 generation.
They had to say such things to convince people to invest in another nintendo system.
Just_myles
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I wouldn't say that this is the gamecube all over again just yet. It seems more like the 3DS to me. We all know what happened once after a price cut and actual games started coming out. So I am still good with it for now I guess.
Why would they do that? To give the media one more excuse to badmouth them?
On-topic: something must have gone terribly wrong inside Nintendo with the Wii U. Personally speaking, while I loved the Wii, the Wii U hasn't attracted me in any significant way. But that's not what I mean - I'm referring to the lack of advertisement, the confusing situation with software (particularly 3rd party one, which seems to have been cancelled even before 3rd parties knew how the Wii U was going to sell).
Why? Nintendo can have some ps360 multiplats (provided they pay for development of the ports) and their own games so the release list will be greater than 0
If they go third party, their income will drop considerably. As such, they'll have to close various studios. As such, you complain that you don't get enough of the non-Mario franchises now, wait for the hypothetical where they have even less studios to develop with and have to focus on game sales solely for their money.
3DS is at a profit. 3DS is selling well; amazingly in Japan, decent elsewhere. As such, that has helped Nintendo return to the black after two years in the red.
The Wii U has faltered, yes. However, that's mostly due to marketing and unfortunately delays in software release. There's also the continuing, ridiculous, view that Nintendo is for kids just because their games have colour and don't involve shooting and instead create games that are accessible to everyone.
It's fixable and Nintendo does NOT need to quit being a first party.
The ridiculousness is that people want Nintendo to make a third, near identical, console to the others, and that wouldn't sell and WOULD cause Nintendo to collapse, considering they're sold at a loss for at least the first half of their life
infinityBCRT
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Or they could stop producing the system entirely.
I'm not saying its the best idea, but its an idea. They need to get that cost down. Seems as though the $50 price cut trials weren't successful. Which means that either people think the price is too high and/or people don't like or get the concept of the Wii U Gamepad.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Price cut will almost always fail in the middle of a software drought. Nintendo just doesn't have anything to release for the thing. We still don't have dates for the games that moved out of the launch window.
Is the idea of Nintendo only focusing on the Japanese market where they thrive in the handheld sector, and becoming a much smaller businesses in the distant future really that crazy? Or do they have to have complete global
Barack Lesnar
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My guess about what this new UK strategy is a new bundle with a game + some kind of voucher for their online network shop. This is along with the $50 cut. So the premium with Nintendoland and Mario, and the basic with Mario or something.
i see them going single-hardware or hybrid hardware before they go japan-only.