Enter The 36 Chambers
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I didnt mean first party, i meant overall. This week marks the first week a game has been released since January.
Thats fucking pathetic.
Edit: Also MS just released GoW Judgement this week.
Nintendo to meet UK retailers after unofficial Wii U price cuts fail
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I didnt mean first party, i meant overall. This week marks the first week a game has been released since January.
Thats fucking pathetic.
Edit: Also MS just released GoW Judgement this week.
If they had the same amount of 3rd party support as Nintendo I would.
Its seems sony and MS buy devs to make exclusives to support there platform.
Where Nintendo makes a platform to support there games
Many corporations offer smartphones and tablets as standard equipment.
metalslimer
Member
If Nintendo had stayed the same size the Wiiu would have even less games and so would the 3ds. Nintendo actually needs to massively expand if they want to be competitive making 2 systems
false, nintendo's jpn relations have continued to improve. The Wiiu is just not a good investment right now if you want to make a lot of money
Not in the UK, it comes out in the 28th alongside Luigi's Mansion.
Irrelevant. Nintendo relies on Nintendo published games, clearly. Microsoft doesn't.
I've said this so many fucking times its ridiculous.
That war chest needs to be used to expand the company. In a big way.
Nintendo today, have made it abundantly clear they cannot sufficiently support two platforms at their respective performance levels. Expansion would go a looooong way towards rectifying software issues whether from 1st or 3rd party.
Aquamarine
Member
And Microsoft is devoting pretty much all of its major resources to the Durango November launch. No sense in new 1st-party Xbox retail games when a new console is coming out in 8 months.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Still planning on buying one cheap when Bayonetta arrives. 
tinfoilhatman
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Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.........sorry Nintendo I'm not buying your overpriced outdated hardware anymore.
Their idea of "stimulation" is probably releasing colors....gimme a break.
99.99$ if you want to move that thing, no amount of Mario's, cart games or pokemon is gonna move this thing.
Their idea of "stimulation" is probably releasing colors....gimme a break.
99.99$ if you want to move that thing, no amount of Mario's, cart games or pokemon is gonna move this thing.
metalslimer
Member
Such a useful post.
No, they rely on Xbox Live subscriptions and other such levies in order to make up for the cash they lose by selling high tech consoles at a considerable loss, something Nintendo can't do.
Look at Sony, since the PS3 started making money 2 years ago, they've nowhere near made up for the deficit from the loss of dozens of millions of consoles sold at a loss.
People continually forget this. Sony and Microsoft are screwing the industry by selling consoles at a loss. They're screwing developers which is why so many have folded in the last 5 years due to development costs, and it's just going to get worse.
People need to stop demanding Nintendo follow suit
Vane_MagicCity
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That is how it seems to me too so why would you expect them to ever go third party?
AHA-Lambda
Member
Who is the one with the abysmal sales again?
I have no problem with the price of the console really, it's the price of the games that is preventing me from putting down the money for one.
They just put ZombiU and AC3 for sale at £29.99 on the eshop, but they were £54.99 before, there is just no way I'm ever going to pay that when I want to go digital only. £29.99 maybe £35.00 should be the standard price for these games.
They just put ZombiU and AC3 for sale at £29.99 on the eshop, but they were £54.99 before, there is just no way I'm ever going to pay that when I want to go digital only. £29.99 maybe £35.00 should be the standard price for these games.
Honestly I hope Nintendo learns a hard lesson and some damn humility from all of this. Stop treating your market like we are obligated to buy your product just because it's Nintendo, just because the Wii succeeded, without adapting to modern gaming standards and trends (is Monster Hunter the first online multiplayer WiiU game? ffs), without releasing the games you promised, without fixing your crappy UI that you didn't want to show off much until we found out about it at launch, and without coming up with elegant solutions to real problems like an irreplaceable gamepad and irreplaceable game saves.
TreasureHunterG
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This.
Nintendo built a model to rely heavily only on their own published games and they don't have enough studios and partnerships to fill the gap of release dates, specially because they need to do this for two systems and they treat the portable market as main priority. That's why GameCube and Wii became wastelands. Nintendo gave full priority for the portable market, which always was Iwata's main priority, and both GCN and Wii needed to be hauled in order to give the portable market special treatment.
That's why snobbing third-parties is very bad for Nintendo, they can't support two platforms at once without sacrificing one of them and if there's something they'll sacrifice and treat as secondary platform, it'll be their home console.
This is a reason why I don't buy Nintendo home consoles anymore because there's no guarantee Nintendo will support it before abandoning it in order to support their portable system.
metalslimer
Member
It may be irrational but some people dont like dropping money to buy a whole separate system to play a 1st party box.
we thought they learned from the 3ds. the current management is just inept
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Sony and Microsoft are being successful. Nintendo got lucky this generation by being a fad product that was adopted by other markets not specifically made up of gamers.
They're trying this method again, and clearly its tanking.
Its MS and Sonys fault games sell on their systems so devs develop for them?
Give me a break.
Because they could make more money publishing games third party then they will supporting this disaster of a console?
The only thing killer about ZombiU is its ability to kill my enthusiasm for the survival horror genre.
But the Wii U is selling at a loss.
Spirit Icana
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Cancel that Luigi DLC and make a new 2d Mario Bros. that doesn't suck.
There, my bitterness is out the way. I'm out.
There, my bitterness is out the way. I'm out.
Bony Manifesto
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Aren't Nintendo selling the Wii U at a loss? Doesn't the Wii U have roughly the same level of power (if not more) as the "developer screwing" PS3 and 360?
The thing about Nintendo's consoles is that now there's a unique hook. The GamePad is actually amazing for games and I can't imagine gaming without it. I've shifted all my third party pre-orders to the Wii U because I'm so impressed with it.
This way, people can, if they have the money, have a "normal" console, and then the Wii U
Yes they are, but not a considerable loss at all, unlike MS and Sony who were losing over $200 per console at launch. The Wii U is more powerful than the PS3 and 360, yes, but that's a standard now and has been for years
Barack Lesnar
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What was so crazy about his post? He's got a point, especially the last paragraph. Nothing "WOW" or .gif worthy about that.
The WiiU just came out. Microsoft is already looking ahead to their next console and can't really be blamed for not supporting first-party games on an 8 year old console. Nintendo needs to support the console they released less than six months ago.
Well People hate variety and love standards.
metalslimer
Member
So basically nintendo should be thankful the ps3360 screwed developers because if they didnt make it standard the wiiu would be screwing them?
Phoenician_Viking
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Which is the main reason of why the games are delayed. Nintendo is very understaffed and unprepared for HD development. Hiring 50-100 won´t do much if Nintendo wants constant release of high quality games. Nintendo would need 500-1000 more people if they don´t want drought on every other game they release. Remember that a size of those 5000 work on the 3DS as well. Let´s also not forget hardware engineering.
They have already done that. The problem is that the restructuring/expansion was complete fairly recently so we won't see the effects of this until later this year post-E3.
Value is a personal thing. If nintendo games only are value enough for enough people enough will buy nintendo consoles.
Correct xbox live is one of MS revenue streams, buts its not the only one from there xbox division they get a cut on all games sales and make profit on the console itself and accessories.
The reason why some devs went bust is becuase there games didnt sell well enough how is this MS or sony's fault?
and next gen game engines creators and devs have said they can make a game expensive or as inexpensive as they like
a $10,000,000 or a $100,000,000 game next gen is going to look better then a game made this gen for the same cost.
Thats why its amazing how they missed out on midway, thq, eidos etc.
metalslimer
Member
Because those developers lose a massive amount of value as exclusive developers.
They do. It would be interesting to know what the split between professional and consumer sales are. Taking a look at the front page of any given appstore suggests to me that it isn't the professionals which drive tablet sales, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
It goes without saying, the Wii U has totally desensitized me of the term "launch window". As stupid as it is expecting any console to have a definitive killer app on launch to last these days, Nintendo admitted that the 3DS launch was a disaster they wouldn't repeat again, and that launch window document looked really appealing. Pikmin 3, Rayman Legends, Lego City Undercover, The Wonderful 101, I mean hell I don't think anyone can look at me straight faced and say that if these games could have been offered in January/February as exclusives then the Wii U would have had one damn good prospect.
Wii U lacking games as of now on account of developer struggles is damn unfortunate. Them not managing to maintain the market, properly advertising the thing and losing exclusives is a travesty.
They went bust because development costs were high so that required they had to sell really high amounts which usually isn't feasible.
Yes, MS are making profit on the console NOW, that's my point. When it came out, it didn't, and it didn't for years especially considering the amount of repairs and replacement consoles they had to issue to the RRoD issue.
It's amazing how people seem to forget how things went
Neff
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Let's meet back here after E3 for a nice chat.
Also, it's going to be very difficult, if impossible, for Nintendo to reduce the price of Wii U, considering it's already selling at a loss. Their predicament is that the console is actually very, very good value technically, with nothing to show it off. Near-lagless, near-artifactless, 60fps streaming tech obviously isn't cheap, and the console is pretty powerful, in addition to hosting Wii hardware. But none of that matters to a consumer who, as of this moment, has very, very little reason to pull the trigger in terms of software incentives.
Indeed. Nintendo currently has more busy bees than it has ever had, but it's all still behind closed doors.
So having a console with less 3rd party support is better value then having a console with more 3rd party support?
zomgbbqftw
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With THQ they could have just picked up a couple of cheap IPs like Darksiders and got some kind of western development started.
Nintendo's non-Japanese development is worse than Sony's Japanese development. That is pretty telling.
metalslimer
Member
All those games are nice, but only Pikmin 3 is a decent seller there.
Sure, but Nintendo has had years to get western development started which is why its not surprising they wouldnt even try. I never said i was a good idea.
so whats your point?
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Between the latter half of the Wii and the beginning of the WiiUs life, its pretty clear that Nintendo is either going to go out of business or eventually go third party.
They need a radical strategy change to stay in the console market. They already fucked up the chance they had with the WiiU.
They need a radical strategy change to stay in the console market. They already fucked up the chance they had with the WiiU.
There are people with HD development knowhow that can work instantly on nintendo ips (or their own ips). Nintendo needs to increase their workforce massively so M&A is a good way to do this.
Wickerbasket
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How did things go?
I'm failing to see how Microsofts RRoD repair costs factors into where their revenue streams come from.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Still planning on buying one cheap when Bayonetta arrives.
I am endlessly excited at just what level of cheapness it'll be at by the time Bayo hits. I kinda hope Bayo 2 is 2014 just for this reason alone.
And anyway lads, I've solved all of Nintendo's WiiU woes in my new topic.