I would say X-2 was a downgrade in terms of effort put into constructing any new environments they made, even if they made some base technological improvements.
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I would say X-2 was a downgrade in terms of effort put into constructing any new environments they made, even if they made some base technological improvements.
Dreamer RD
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Lulu looks gorgeous. They even added shadows from necklace.
Can't wait for trailer. Gonna be epic.
Magicpaint
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The treatment is pretty similar to what Ocarina of Time 3D got. Improved, revamped models, new textures, some improved geometry and a different lighting system.
No, you're right. It was even reflected in reviews at the time:
Source: http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-2/final-fantasy-x-2/6368p2.htmlGameSpy said:
Chuck Norris
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They rounded off some rough edges, its still at PS2 levels of quality in everything but resolution. Its an incredibly simplistic upgrade. If you didn't have the two versions of the game right next to each other you wouldn't even realise there was a difference
Haha get real. This is nowhere near a remake. Not even close.
AuthenticM
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Someone upload the 2-second footage on youtube !
But are those screens real or bullshots? It looks too clean and with too much anti-aliasing to be real screenshots.
no way where?
https://vine.co/v/bDhi21275j1
I think it looks fantastic, from Wakka's headband to the stonework and pretty much everything about Lulu. The PCSX2 shot is the same resolution actually (with black bars)
I seen that, thats the 2nd footage? is it the same one on youtube?
It could be using 4xMSAA like KH HD is. I see some traces of jaggies.
Femmeworth
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That just indicates that (some of) the new assets are weak, not that they screwed up the assets from the previous game.
No it's not... look at the textures in the PS3 screen.
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This is the best I could do though (top-PS2, bottom-HD):
His hair is lighter colored now.
90% of the new dungeons looked boring and were repetitive looking (especially the
Thunder Plains hidden cave which was one of the longest and worst dungeons I've ever been through
tehrik-e-insaaf
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I hope they do a FF XII Vita remaster w/ ability to flip the always-on inversion on X-Y axis after this
Particularly Lulu's dress and button necklace, as well as the wall that's to the lower left of Auron.
I'm not saying it looks amazing, but it's above PS2 level. And you have to remember the two screens in that comparison are between the PS3 version, and the PCSX2 running at 720p. In comparison to the actual PS2 version, it would be even more notable
Young Nobleman Of Sadness
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X-2 has more or less the best gameplay in the entire series. You gotta be able to stomach a lot of pretty girl dress up and nonsensical plot (though some of the side missions are actually hilarious) but man is it fun to play if you can.
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Look more closely. Auron's hair looks completely different, for one. The added textures on Lulu's clothing also make the fur coat look like an almost entirely new model.
Chuck Norris
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They now look like a 2005 PS2 game in HD rather than a 2001 PS2 game in HD
it just seems very limited the changes they have made, especially considering how long its been in development. To call it a remake at the very least you'd want a superior lighting system, but to me it looks worse. It looks flatter. Is it wrong to have expected improvements like HDR, a superior shadowing and self shadowing system etc. Things that are native to current gen.
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Looks like the HD remake is a lot more advanced than I thought it was. Now i'm torn. I really want this on both PS3 and Vita now but don't want to pay twice.
While it has some annoying pieces, FFX-2 also has some absolutely amazing tracks as well.. Some of the very best in the series, and a couple I'd say maybe are the best.
Okay if we define downgrade in the most literal sense yes, it was not one.
I don't think it was a graphical downgrade.
The character models were improved quite a bit over X.
Especially the high quality cutscene models and their animation.
They are definitely going to put EXTRA effort into Lulu's upper body since they know full well that's where everyone's looking.
Man that looks great. Hope we'll get FFXII next.
Guess that full remake for FFV onwards gonna have to take a backsit.
More like thrice considering vita X & X-2 will be sold separately.
Guess that full remake for FFV onwards gonna have to take a backsit.
More like thrice considering vita X & X-2 will be sold separately.
Femmeworth
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oh thanks!
I also hope the menu gets a nice upgrade to give it a glossy crystal like look similar to FFXIII or something modern look. And that dreadful mini map.
I'd like to see a PS2 game with that high of polygon count.
elementalsin
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I really can't get over how excited I am for this and the kh hd masters over practically anything else on the horizon. It says so much for where we were and are now in game releases...
I really hope they do cross save as well as I'm headed to vita for this primarily.
I really hope they do cross save as well as I'm headed to vita for this primarily.
The improvement does seem to be grossly exaggerated by many people in this thread. It looks similar besides the fact it now has razor sharp IQ and textures which are redone so they don't look glaringly terrible. In other words the bare minimum from what I expect of a decent HD remake.
Obviously I know where a lot of people will be looking at, but personally I really like the hair, the fact the necklace no longer looks painted on and the fur
I should be doing hw
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Wow, some people have a pretty revisionist idea of what the PS2 was capable of. If all "HD Remasters" had this much effort put into them I really wouldn't mind paying for them again.
Green Mamba
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Even discounting the two most obvious reasons, Lulu is mostly pictured from the waist up in FFX because it saved them the trouble of having to animate her belt dress--this is especially the case with her good cutscene model; I have a hard time thinking of more than two occasions where it is seen below the waist and even then I don't think she's seen moving. In fact, thinking back, I think it's the good cutscene model used the least; which was a shame considering I always thought her regular field model was easily the worst in comparison.
But this update seems to be rectifying that, so, good on them.
No, the character models are definitely redone. See here and compare Auron's hair, Lulu's chest, Wakka's hands and wristguard, their faces, etc.
Wakka is thinner. Everyone is but it's more noticeable on him.
I don't have X available to verify the quality of the PCSX2 screens in here, but a lot of the visual improvements here feel like they're from X-2.
Same staircase. Much easier to see a lot of the texture detail than what's in the FFX shot being used for comparison earlier in the thread.
In general I think the quality of the character models is better in X-2. This Wakka is much closer to the version we are seeing in these HD screenshots for example.
I agree, it looks like blue clay molded onto his head or something
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I think adding more detail and seeing it with more clarity just further reveals how dumb the design is in the first place.
As if it didnt before... I mean...
Xion4360
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X-2 has smoother animations and slightly more detailed high poly models. Yuna's hair certainly looked more detailed than anyone's hair in X and it had movement. also the shadows in battle were not just a circle, but instead the shape of the model. Its not much but its a little improvement.....Im actually looking forward to seeing some X-2 remaster screens.
But it's not an HD remake. Bionic Commando Rearmed is an HD remake.
Heck, why would you even want a remake of such a pretty game? The game still looks very nice for the most part, and sounds great, voice-acting aside. Apart from upping the resolution, widescreen, and better textures, what more do you want? A blowjob? How do you expect that to happen?
Now, FF7...there's a game that could use a remake.
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