Ignis Fatuus
Banned
The gif with the weird light flicker thing convinced me. It has to be CG, there's just no other way to explain it.
Okay, TeamCG. Come own up to your foolishness. #trolljima
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baphomet
Member
I wouldnt even expect them to come out and say this isnt cg. They never intended for people to be crazy enough to think that Joakim is rendered. Nothing at all will be said at gdc, not even in passing. TeamCG will still insist its cg when Kojima doesnt say it isnt.
bigboss370
Member
Joakim's not real, never was, never will be. He's just an old CG, hired to do some deception work.
Arozay
Member
Heh, those atheists are really in for it when Jesus returns! Right guys?
I'm impressed TeamCG has the power to destroy all of humanity's hope, not even the holocaust did that.
hemishushawa
Neo Member
TeamCG all the way! I can't vote though. 
doctorstrange
Neo Member
It's Kojima, it can't be as simple as either being CG or real. That's too obvious. It's something else entirely.
TeamCG all the way! I can't vote though.
Maybe you're the one that's not real
Shrike_Priest
Member
Team Animatronic for life.
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FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
#TeamHybrid, but i'll lean towards the CG.
Phonomezer
Banned
I thought I knew you man.
I thought you'd know the difference between CG and reality. Handbags have been drawn and eyebrows have been raised.
See you on the battlefield
Acheteedo
Member
Nanomachines.
Only the mask is CG.
Always-honest
Banned
When he says nothing, it's real by default.
If it's cg, he will want to tell the world.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
If nothing is said at GDC #TeamReal wins by default. Does #TeamCG agree?
akachan ningen
Member
gamecube?
tearsofash
Member
#teamrotoscope
Deliberately hunting down the one guy most awkward with interviews.
DecoyOctopus
Member
39.71%?! 39.71%?!?!?!
C'mon #TeamCG...we can do better! We can do better than that!! #BELIEVE #RISE!
C'mon #TeamCG...we can do better! We can do better than that!! #BELIEVE #RISE!
Capital_Five
Member
I want to believe so badly because Kojima, but #TeamReal has shamed me into submission. I will see you all on the other side and may God have mercy on us all.
I can imagine two possible scenarios:
Joakim is real.
What is ok
- The purpose of the interview is to reveal that Phantom Pain uses the Fox Engine.
What is not ok
- The interview is too long and has a lot of unanswered questions, not well bound to carry the final surprise.
- Both person in separate rooms does not make sense, if you pay an actor, hires an actor in the same city that Geoff. Otherwise, Geoff has no problems to travel for interviews either.
- The lighting that might suggest that Joakim is cgi is unnecessary. You can fail your advertising if people think Joakim has some secret and in the end is false.
- If it is real, why have more time eyes closed than opened? and why do these expressions? And his face bandaged? If you have a mystery, behave well means that the mystery is related to the character, what mystery may be?
- If Joakim is real and a half of internet is talking about being cgi, you must say is real as fast as possible. You don't want disappointment when you show your final cards.
- If Joakim is real, no one would have thought that possibility in Konami. Nobody would talk to Geoff about that possibility, so Geoff could have voted TeamCG in the neogaf poll to have some fun, but he voted TeamReal. Why he voted TeamReal? Why he wanted to dispel doubts as quick before Konami said anything?
Joakim is cgi
What is not ok
- Too real for actual tech (depends of the tech, right?)
- Too expensive for actual tech (depends of the tech again, right?)
What is ok
- Look at this -> Emily making off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErODDCNQWdA
Emily demo is from 5 years ago. Emily demo uses Image Metrics tech. Konami works with Image Metrics. Current generation of consoles can not even remotely close to that. And maybe not the next, but will be much closer. To develop this technology only for games, if you are a game developer, not worth it. But developing this technology and sell it to game developers and filmmakers may be worth. If you are Image Metrics you want the most atention in a game devoloper conference, right? I Konami is working with you and they have a photorealistic engine using light, you can prepare a demo (not necessarily real time) to wow people in both techs: lighting (fox engine) + capturing/animation (image metrics 2.0)
- Why do it if is not realtime? Because they can show a tech and later apadt it for every end platform. They can use full spec version for offline cinematics too.
- Why the bandages? If you look Emily demo, actress uses a brown makeup in the face where they add the cgi face. This makeup creates a contour that facilitates position for final blend frame by frame. But this contour is blurred. Staring at the video, the face is not always in the right place, there are moments that lack synchronization. How can you get a perfect sync? Ideally you would have a grid painted on the face and also in the model, and make them fit in each frame, right? A grid is a series of vertical and horizontal lines. As the bandages. If the actor's face is bandaged when recorded and digital face also has bands, the blend of the two images will be perfect.
- This explains the clipping of teeth and lack of reaction of the pupils. And also explains why Joakim do and in exaggerated way in a few seconds each and every one of the hardest to get animations in digital facil animation (lips that hook, eye movements after eyelids, lower lip dimples, wrinkles on lips , moving mouth asymmetrically, asymmetric movements of the eyebrows, etc). Geoff is more time in front of the camera and does nothing of this.
My vote is for TeamCG, and I have no fear of being wrong. If not 27th, in near future the perfect cgi face will be possible.
Joakim is real.
What is ok
- The purpose of the interview is to reveal that Phantom Pain uses the Fox Engine.
What is not ok
- The interview is too long and has a lot of unanswered questions, not well bound to carry the final surprise.
- Both person in separate rooms does not make sense, if you pay an actor, hires an actor in the same city that Geoff. Otherwise, Geoff has no problems to travel for interviews either.
- The lighting that might suggest that Joakim is cgi is unnecessary. You can fail your advertising if people think Joakim has some secret and in the end is false.
- If it is real, why have more time eyes closed than opened? and why do these expressions? And his face bandaged? If you have a mystery, behave well means that the mystery is related to the character, what mystery may be?
- If Joakim is real and a half of internet is talking about being cgi, you must say is real as fast as possible. You don't want disappointment when you show your final cards.
- If Joakim is real, no one would have thought that possibility in Konami. Nobody would talk to Geoff about that possibility, so Geoff could have voted TeamCG in the neogaf poll to have some fun, but he voted TeamReal. Why he voted TeamReal? Why he wanted to dispel doubts as quick before Konami said anything?
Joakim is cgi
What is not ok
- Too real for actual tech (depends of the tech, right?)
- Too expensive for actual tech (depends of the tech again, right?)
What is ok
- Look at this -> Emily making off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErODDCNQWdA
Emily demo is from 5 years ago. Emily demo uses Image Metrics tech. Konami works with Image Metrics. Current generation of consoles can not even remotely close to that. And maybe not the next, but will be much closer. To develop this technology only for games, if you are a game developer, not worth it. But developing this technology and sell it to game developers and filmmakers may be worth. If you are Image Metrics you want the most atention in a game devoloper conference, right? I Konami is working with you and they have a photorealistic engine using light, you can prepare a demo (not necessarily real time) to wow people in both techs: lighting (fox engine) + capturing/animation (image metrics 2.0)
- Why do it if is not realtime? Because they can show a tech and later apadt it for every end platform. They can use full spec version for offline cinematics too.
- Why the bandages? If you look Emily demo, actress uses a brown makeup in the face where they add the cgi face. This makeup creates a contour that facilitates position for final blend frame by frame. But this contour is blurred. Staring at the video, the face is not always in the right place, there are moments that lack synchronization. How can you get a perfect sync? Ideally you would have a grid painted on the face and also in the model, and make them fit in each frame, right? A grid is a series of vertical and horizontal lines. As the bandages. If the actor's face is bandaged when recorded and digital face also has bands, the blend of the two images will be perfect.
- This explains the clipping of teeth and lack of reaction of the pupils. And also explains why Joakim do and in exaggerated way in a few seconds each and every one of the hardest to get animations in digital facil animation (lips that hook, eye movements after eyelids, lower lip dimples, wrinkles on lips , moving mouth asymmetrically, asymmetric movements of the eyebrows, etc). Geoff is more time in front of the camera and does nothing of this.
My vote is for TeamCG, and I have no fear of being wrong. If not 27th, in near future the perfect cgi face will be possible.
Seth Balmore
Member
Of course. As it's been said before, if he's CG there's no way KojiPro won't want to wow the whole world with the news. If nothing is said about the matter, Joakim is obviously a real guy (actor, but real).
angular graphics
Banned
Nah.. The marketing people couldn't be happier with what's happening right now. Assuming it is real and they never intended for these discussions to take place they must be really happy they managed to create hype and buzz out of nothing.
Neuromancer
Member
Never
BruiserBear
Banned
If that dude is being rendered by a machine I'm going to be very impressed.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
This. KojiPro suddenly leaping ten years ahead of every other professional CG producer in the known universe, with a fucking game engine (if the idea is that this is meant as an example of what Fox Engine can achieve), is just ridiculous.
#TeamReal
Always-honest
Banned
Because of the trailer...... Kojima having a bit of fun.
This was a scoop for Gametrailers to show that Phantom pain was running on Fox Engine. For some kojima stupid reason that was kept a mystery untill is "interview"
And there were no teeth clipping.
Takamura-San
Member
how is team real winning.
Preposterous!!!!
Preposterous!!!!
YouEnjoyMySelf
Banned
Anyone who thinks this is shitty marketing knows nothing. KJP marketing team probably all received raises and HONOR FOR FAMILY.
StevePharma
Member
Yep. Only the final word from geoffmk will suffice.
I thought you'd know the difference between CG and reality. Handbags have been drawn and eyebrows have been raised.
See you on the battlefield
Bring it, sister.
It's like not even 2 minutes.. it very well could have been made as an ad for Kojima's GDC panel in an obscure Kojima sort of way.
DecoyOctopus
Member
Always-honest
Banned
Come on son.
To be fair, Nintendo fans haven't really been exposed to CG before. Can't really blame them for mistaking it with reality.
Neuromancer
Member
I was thinking Kojima. Even then that could be part of the conspiracy.
I just voted TeamCG because of you.
DecoyOctopus
Member
Certain members of #TeamReal start to remind me of...
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