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Final Fantasy X | X-2 HD Remaster - PS3/Vita, 2013 [Amazon: $40, Trailer in OP]

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I think that was everything they shown. for monday

That's not what the other guy asked. He asked if this was the trailer that Square was waiting until monday before releasing. The answer is yes. At least, I think. But I certainly hope not, considering how lackluster the youtube video is.
 
Dark Aeons/Penance will make me cry again. Can't wait to grind the ultimate equips and expert sphere grid for the third time...right?
 
That's not what the other guy asked. He asked if this was the trailer that Square was waiting until monday before releasing. The answer is yes. At least, I think. But I certainly hope not, considering how lackluster the youtube video is.

I really hope there is more release date and everything :)
 
What really? Are they like midis or something, not waveforms?

Basically, there are 2 ways for a console to output music:

-Using the console's internal sound chip: the synthesizer programmer will adapt the composer's song and arrangement using samples and synth sounds contained in the sound chip. This saves a lot of disc space and memory, as this is basically a MIDI file.

-Using "streaming": the devs can compress to an .mp3/.ogg/whichever format the console can read. This used to take too much space and memory for a game to use too many of them. This is, however, the only way for the sound team to use live recordings of songs, real vocals and the sound team's choice of synths and samples.

PS2 still had loads of limitations, whereas PS3 games can use streaming for huge soundtracks without any problems.

The Piano Collections of To Zanarkand, or a new live recording, for example, would be miles better than the original FFX's version. The soundtrack is full of gems, and higher-quality synths/samples + live recordings would make it come to life even more!
 
Woot! This is looking great, can't wait. As far as ultimate weapons go the hardest one for me was Kimahri's. I could never get the last butterfly. I never used him in battle though, so in the end it wasn't a big loss.
 
Guys stop giving the hacked-in FFX takes place before FFVII thing credence. Just because they said after the fact that was the case, doesn't make it any more correct. It doesn't work, and there's nothing in game beyond a couple of names to indicate even the hint of a link. Just because the creators say after the fact "oh it was x/y", doesn't make it true.

The Expert Grid doesn't sound very appealing, such open character development systems usually leave much to be desired for me.

I actually agree. Not really finding any advantage in it except messing around.
You two are correct.

In a game like FFX, where in the early game you want each character to occupy strict roles, yet the end game is having every character have every stat fully levelled, a more flexible sphere grid adds nothing to the experience beyond the possibility of making a huge chunk of the game more difficult.
 
Guys stop giving the hacked-in FFX takes place before FFVII thing credence. Just because they said after the fact that was the case, doesn't make it any more correct. It doesn't work, and there's nothing in game beyond a couple of names to indicate even the hint of a link. Just because the creators say after the fact "oh it was x/y", doesn't make it true.
Eh if a creator of a universe says something about that said universe and references the hints and nods he specifically put into a story in his universe as support then it really does make it correct. You can chose to ignore it but it doesn't make it less true or canon.
 
Guys stop giving the hacked-in FFX takes place before FFVII thing credence. Just because they said after the fact that was the case, doesn't make it any more correct. It doesn't work, and there's nothing in game beyond a couple of names to indicate even the hint of a link. Just because the creators say after the fact "oh it was x/y", doesn't make it true.

Actually, it does...the creator and writer DO get to say what happened and does not happen, not you or any fan. That's Death of The Author territory. If they say FFX and FF7 are linked, they are linked.


That being said, it's quite obvious it's a Gilgamesh-like joke. It's not supposed to link Jenova to Seymour or SIN to Midgar. Nojima is on record saying he wrote that in just because he thought it was funny to imagine Shinra's descendants being such horrible people.

In other words, linking them literally changes nothing. Even if Spira and Gaia are the same world, the "official" word is that it's years upon years apart, so absolutely no connections exist anymore. It's not a Star Wars prequel situation where one series impacts how the other is viewed.
 
Cheers. Short, but sweet imo.
It does embody my hate for X-2 though. You have To Zanarkand's beautiful piano piece playing, portraying the seriousness and severity of X's storyline, then they finish it off with What Can I Do For You?, haha.

Yeah, this trailer was better off using Memory of lightwaves. Although its not representative of X-2.
 
Looks great, except i'm not sure about CG cutscenes being zoomed in to fit 16:9 and loosing all that detail. It's made me interested to find out if any of the CG scenes have been wrecked by zooming them in.
 
Looks great, except i'm not sure about CG cutscenes being zoomed in to fit 16:9 and loosing all that detail. It's made me interested to find out if any of the CG scenes have been wrecked by zooming them in.

There's no zooming in, what are you talking about? It's just cropped.
 
Eh if a creator of a universe says something about that said universe and references the hints and nods he specifically put into a story in his universe as support then it really does make it correct. You can chose to ignore it but it doesn't make it less true or canon.

Actually, it does...the creator and writer DO get to say what happened and does not happen, not you or any fan.
Okay, so if Hitchcock said after the fact that Marion Crane was not killed by Norman Bates, but was actually Bates' mother, and the whole shower scene was a dream sequence, would you say that's correct?

No, you wouldn't, because it doesn't actually work based on what is in the film.

More recent example: if Nolan said in a book afterwards that Bane was actually the Joker, and the events of TDK were his first failed attempt at taking over Gotham, that wouldn't make it correct.

That's Death of The Author territory. If they say FFX and FF7 are linked, they are linked.
Death of The Author is how you should approach media. Authorial intent is meaningless. You can and must only interpret what is there. If they say after the fact that the two are linked, that does not make them actually linked, it only says they intended to make them linked.

You can use authorial intent to inform your own person reflections and interpretations of a body of art, but it cannot (or rather, should not) use it as gospel. If the link seems tenuous and unlikely, it is just that.
 
Okay, so if Hitchcock said after the fact that Marion Crane was not killed by Norman Bates, but was actually Bates' mother, and the whole shower scene was a dream sequence, would you say that's correct?

No, you wouldn't, because it doesn't actually work based on what is in the film.

More recent example: if Nolan said in a book afterwards that Bane was actually the Joker, and the events of TDK were his first failed attempt at taking over Gotham, that wouldn't make it correct.
Yeah you would. You'd say he completely failed at his attempt to portray it but you'd take it as canon as that is what the original creator intended and the universe is his.

Also it's not like we're talking about any drastic change like the two you've outlined above. It's a simple nod that doesn't change anything about either games. Just links the two best FF games.
 
Okay, so if Hitchcock said after the fact that Marion Crane was not killed by Norman Bates, but was actually Bates' mother, and the whole shower scene was a dream sequence, would you say that's correct?

No, you wouldn't, because it doesn't actually work based on what is in the film.

More recent example: if Nolan said in a book afterwards that Bane was actually the Joker, and the events of TDK were his first failed attempt at taking over Gotham, that wouldn't make it correct.

Death of The Author is how you should approach media. Authorial intent is meaningless. You can and must only interpret what is there. If they say after the fact that the two are linked, that does not make them actually linked, it only says they intended to make them linked.

I respect the author's intent and their word. If we start to place personal interpretation over the authorial intent, then why bother reading any media when you can make it up yourself?

And to answer your question, yes, I would say it's correct. I wouldn't like it and I'd agree that it's obviously tacked on, but it's still what the author says.

You don't get to decide the author is wrong because you don't like what he says.
 
It's kinda what i meant. Should've worded it better i suppose.

Yeah I mentioned this much earlier in the thread. So far the scenes they have shown work as cropped scenes because they're wider canvas shots where parts of the frame can be removed without much loss. Some scenes even seem to look better in this framing. But the big question will be the love scene with the song. Lots of facial close-up scenes, and many of them are framed exactly for 4:3. It'll be interesting to see how they'll handle that scene without it looking very odd in 16:9.
 
Do we know for certain they are cropped? They didn't do this for the KH CG.

Kingdom Hearts' CG seemed to have a much higher source file, and was just cropped for 4:3, for 1.5 they just went back to the source file and used the full frame (this is just my guess).

IIRC FFX's CG was only made in 4:3, hence the cropping to fit it into a 16:9 ratio.
 
You don't get to decide the author is wrong because you don't like what he says.
Well, yes, you do. That's the basis of western literary theory - you critique what is present in the work, not what the author intends to be present. In interpreting and criticising a piece of work, the author is not the highest authority on its meaning.

So if Hitchcock were to say that Marion was Norman's mother, he'd be dismissed as wrong as there is nothing in the film to indicate or support the notion.

So, if an author wrote:
"In the pen there were five sheep," then there are five sheep. Ignoring the possibility for an unreliable narrator (which is an entirely different kettle of fish), the author would not be taken seriously if he later said "actually there were seven sheep" when nothing else in the work indicates or supports this.

If we start to place personal interpretation over the authorial intent, then why bother reading any media when you can make it up yourself?
It's not about making up (or even personal interpretation - FFX is a simple story with little to interpret), it's about reading/playing/seeing/listening to what is there. As a counter part to your exaggeration, why would an author bother writing their story down if they'd only make up something different and say it's actually the truth afterwards?
 
I was checking Kingdom Hearts HD trophy list... it's really hard/time consuming. I think FFX won't be really different. S-E likes to do the "get everything in the game" requirements for the platinum.
 
I was checking Kingdom Hearts HD trophy list... it's really hard/time consuming. I think FFX won't be really different. S-E likes to do the "get everything in the game" requirements for the platinum.

considering the challenges FF X has, yea I will never get platinum for the game.
 
Well, yes, you do. That's the basis of western literary theory - you critique what is present in the work, not what the author intends to be present. In interpreting and criticising a piece of work, the author is not the highest authority on its meaning.

"Interpreting and criticising" is not "denying and erasing parts you don't like."
 
"Interpreting and criticising" is not "denying and erasing parts you don't like."

Ignoring retcons in later works is not denial though. Most works can and should stand alone, and that means being able to ignore any "extra" stuff which is piled on later. Jurassic Park is an excellent example of this. (I'm talking about the book.)
 
"Interpreting and criticising" is not "denying and erasing parts you don't like."
I agree, but that's not what I'm doing. There's nothing in FFX to suggest or support a link to FFVII. I'm not denying anything present in the work.

Even in FFX-2, there's not really anything to support the link. The only evidence are the names 'Mako' and 'Shinra', but when countered by all the other information in the two games, they can be dismissed as coincidence.

Everything from the planet's geography to the way magic functions in the world opposes FFX being linked to FFVII.
 
considering the challenges FF X has, yea I will never get platinum for the game.
I'll try to get it. Kingdom Hearts makes you finish the game at least 3 times, and if the "finish the game in x difficulty" doesn't stack, 5 times.

There's a trophy to finish the game under 15 hours, and one to finish the game without changing equipments. I'm starting to fear the "no sphere grid" trophy.
 
Ignoring retcons in later works is not denial though. Most works can and should stand alone, and that means being able to ignore any "extra" stuff which is piled on later. Jurassic Park is an excellent example of this. (I'm talking about the book.)

I agree, but that's not what I'm doing. There's nothing in FFX to suggest or support a link to FFVII. I'm not denying anything present in the work.

That's exactly what you're doing.

Do you deny that Empire is the sequel to Star Wars? Nothing in Star Wars, the single movie, says there's going to be a sequel. It was a standalone project and everyone knows Lucas started changing everything after SW took off and he could use all those background notes he scribbled down. Vader wasn't Luke's father at all in Star Wars--the ultimate example of a later retcon. Do you deny the sequels and their changes to the universe?

Do you deny that LOTR is linked to Hobbit? Hobbit was never intended to be more than the one story, but then it took off so Tolkien created LOTR as the sequel and edited Hobbit to fit the new grim universe. Do you deny LOTR is part of Middle Earth?

Those are two examples where if you hold this "Only present in the work" attitude, then to follow your own argument, you'd have to deny those sequels and their links.
 
That's exactly what you're doing.

Do you deny that Empire is the sequel to Star Wars? Nothing in Star Wars, the single movie, says there's going to be a sequel. It was a standalone project and everyone knows Lucas started changing everything after SW took off and he could use all those background notes he wrote. Vader wasn't Luke's father at all in Star Wars--the ultimate example of a later retcon. Do you deny it?

Do you deny that LOTR is linked to Hobbit? Hobbit was never intended to be more than the one story, but then it took off so Tolkien created LOTR as the sequel and edited Hobbit to fit the new grim universe. Do you deny LOTR is part of Middle Earth?

Those are two examples where if you hold this "Only present in the work" attitude, then to follow your own argument, you'd have to deny those sequels and their links.

Isn't the link to FFVII in FFX-2? Not FFX. :P
 
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