Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4
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Chinpoko_Master
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Howard Ballou
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Yeah, I would think if it could be on Wii U it definitely would.
DragonSworne
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Thing is, specs matter to gain support. You can't havs performance that's too low or you just give companies another big reason not you support your system.
Trust me, Wii U would be getting more games if it had the same performance as PS4 and the next Xbox even if it was selling worse than it currently is.
And gamers deserve a console war between 2 identical systems that offer 99% of the same hardware/games/services/features/experience?
The PS360 are already twins, we didn't need this generation to be triplets.
At least Nintendo is willing to take a risk.
The Wii U can run UE4 (they said even tablets can), it can run Frostbite etc. So I don't think that part matters much.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
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This isn't all particularly surprising. People like myself that cover the entertainment sector for financial institutions have been saying since its reveal that the Wii U was a very poor business decision for Nintendo. It will at best be a breakeven product that does nothing to grow the brand beyond the bubble of dedicated fans that will buy it purely for first party games. A lot of the casual Wii Sports gamers are ditching consoles for tablets and smartphones so the console consumer will be a lot more traditional this generation. Nintendo got that completely wrong.
Nintendo had not one but two opportunities to position itself perfectly. The first was back in 2010 when it could have released a WiiU specced system (minus the technically impressive but expensive and pointless tablet controller) and managed to make the HD console market a true 3 way fight. Nobody would have been looking at the PS4 or Xbox 3 at that point and the Wii was still selling well so third parties would have jumped at the opportunity to capture some of the Wii market base before tablets became a big deal. The second opportunity was last year where they could have used the money and BOM share spent on the gamepad to improve the Wii U specs to something around the 1-1.4TF range and pull a XBox 360 on the PS4 and Durango. Not only would Nintendo have been first to market with a true next gen console but one of MS or Sony (likely the latter) would have been forced to rush their own console to market to cover. If Sony had been forced to announce the PS4 a year back, it would have likely had a weaker GPU and only 2GB of RAM. This would have left Nintendo in the same ballpark performance wise with a product out to market much earlier and third parties would have once again supported the system.
By doing what they did, Nintendo gave Sony and MS enough time to significantly boost their next generation specs and are as a result on the outside looking in this time around.
Nintendo had not one but two opportunities to position itself perfectly. The first was back in 2010 when it could have released a WiiU specced system (minus the technically impressive but expensive and pointless tablet controller) and managed to make the HD console market a true 3 way fight. Nobody would have been looking at the PS4 or Xbox 3 at that point and the Wii was still selling well so third parties would have jumped at the opportunity to capture some of the Wii market base before tablets became a big deal. The second opportunity was last year where they could have used the money and BOM share spent on the gamepad to improve the Wii U specs to something around the 1-1.4TF range and pull a XBox 360 on the PS4 and Durango. Not only would Nintendo have been first to market with a true next gen console but one of MS or Sony (likely the latter) would have been forced to rush their own console to market to cover. If Sony had been forced to announce the PS4 a year back, it would have likely had a weaker GPU and only 2GB of RAM. This would have left Nintendo in the same ballpark performance wise with a product out to market much earlier and third parties would have once again supported the system.
By doing what they did, Nintendo gave Sony and MS enough time to significantly boost their next generation specs and are as a result on the outside looking in this time around.
Well, yeah. 30 million units is pretty well out. But this IS a series that has always pushed systems and sold a ton of copies, even on struggling hardware.
Mario Kart 64 released just outside year 1 on the N64 and sold 5.5M units, Mario Kart Double Dash sold more than 4M units on GameCube when the install base was about 13 million units and Mario Kart 7 has sold more than 4.5M units on an install base of 20 (and is a big reason the 3DS turned it around).
I think it appeals to a wider cross section of gamers. The core plays it, the casuals play it, but it's also one of those few games that the tweeners who only play one or two games will pick up as well.
Glass Rebel
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at least everybody agrees that wind waker is the worst 3d zelda
MisterHero
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Mario Kart and NSMBWii were reproductions of DS successes. Saying they can't be matched is okay given how well all versions sold.
Given what Nintendo's done, they haven't thrown those gains away yet.
The most obvious barrier is that both the hardware and games are more expensive than before.
iwata and hirai were both at their respective companies at the time, i believe. i don't know if they hold resentment towards each other. i know iwata wouldn't go for any sort of company merger as long as nintendo is the more successful one. yamauchi's still alive too somehow, and i doubt he'd let his family company do that.
Er, they could have kept their console unique, while still offering hardware power on par with the other two.
The Wii U is starting, you cant compare the third party support yet, I mean comparing GC with xbox and PS2 it was bad.
Dave Meltzer
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Wii U wasn't a risk. They replicated the tactics used for Wii, only they fucked up.
There's nothing brave about Wii U. It's actually an incredibly conservative design. It's just a home DS.
JordanN
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No tech = no third parties = no games = no interest in console.
I don't know, I think some people are really undervaluing specs here.
The name issue and load times suck but being priced more than other consoles on the market while not being much more powerful is worse.
ProfessorMoran
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No frostbite and no UE4, the wiiU is literally cut down at the piprline level, well maybe Activision will still make games for it. Ubi probably will.
metalslimer
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The Wiiu isn't a risk. It's using souped up current gen tech trying to ride the popularity of the tablet market, but too afraid to drop the wii name or motion controls. The Wiiu is completely conservative just like the 3ds. The Wii and DS were risks,especially the DS dropping the GB brand.
Nah toss up between TP and SS. They both have their plaguing issues
Platinumstorm
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Another Nintendo doom thread, imagine that.
No one should have realistically expected UE4 running in the Wii U. I refuse to go doom/gloom until E3.
If they show a good catalog, hopefully not Mario heavy, people will want the Wii U for its games, which is the problem.. Multi-platforms aren't going to convince people to buy a Wii U.
No one should have realistically expected UE4 running in the Wii U. I refuse to go doom/gloom until E3.
If they show a good catalog, hopefully not Mario heavy, people will want the Wii U for its games, which is the problem.. Multi-platforms aren't going to convince people to buy a Wii U.
AstroNut325
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If you want a truly unique experience... then why does third party support matter? The only benefit of third party support is to get content destined for (or already on) another platform.
It sounds like Nintendo fans are getting exactly what they want. The "UNIQUE" experience.
SmokedMeat
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No games.
kidtamagotchi
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Please list them.
Brainiac 8
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They're all kind of making entertainment boxes...MS is doing slightly more but that's about it. Sony is barely trying with the Mobil thing.
Also everyone is going to be surprised when the PS4/Durango don't do that well either. This new generation is going to be a bloodbath.
Host Samurai
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Whatev's all I want is Bayonetta 2.
freenudemacusers
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At this rate Nintendo would probably be safer with Chris Brown.
they replicated the Wii? where is WiiU Sports
TalesOfWin
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Did you read the thread? Mark Rein said "no" that Wii U cant run UE4. Well they can probably get it to run if they want to, but how well? Not very well it seems.
eddfromtheriver
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And it's obviously not working out that good for them at all...
AZ Greg
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I hate seeing this. Why can't Nintendo muscle one of them out so this way we can get Nintendo franchises + cutting edge technology? Nintendo simply changed focus because they couldn't compete, not just because they wanted to give you a unique product choice.
Mystic_Wanderer
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I love this "I have nothing to back this up other than my favorite company isn't doing well, so all will do poorly!" mentality.
Everyone except you. Because you already know the future.
Mr. MondayNight
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lie if they had a more tech heavy system the only thing that would be different is them losing even more money.
Dave Meltzer
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The tactic was to make a console with last gen hardware with a controller gimmick. That's what they replicated. But they fucked up by not having a game anywhere near as appealing or accessible as Wii Sports, because of a misguided attempt to think they could get third party support by having more buttons on their controller.
I own a Wii U and this made me LOL.
Zombie James
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I know it's pretty standard to say this, but I'm not really interested in third party games for the Wii U nearly as much as their first party titles. Like last gen, I will compliment my Wii U with one(or both) of the other next-gen consoles.
I'm not looking at this on some kind of macro level, either. I'm speaking just for myself when I say that tech is not something that I am overly concerned with.
Yeah, its not looking good at all. They've pretty much totally written it off at this point. There's literally no path for the big titles of the near future to EVER come to the system except if Nintendo literally pays them out of pocket to do it. Did anyone even bother to show up to nintendo's panel? If no, then that's pretty much the answer, dealing with them is considered a waste of time and money right now.
hydragonwarrior
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At least they still have Lego games...
You're not going anywhere, Colonel.
Black Republican
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people calling the Wii a fluke? come on son
TalesOfWin
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Losing money in the short run yes, but in the long run they would probably sell more consoles with better 3rd party support. Right now it looks abysmal.
and yes, I have a Wii U so I am not some anti nintendo guy. I havent played on it since NSMB U though.
Phoenician_Viking
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Where do people get this info? I would like to see their crystal ball.
peaceiscloser
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While this news is depressing, I hope that Nintendo's about to engage Panic Mode: Wii U edition and perform some magic to at least remedy the situation. I think that Nintendo would dig some cash out of the warchest before things get truly miserable.
polyh3dron
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After reading this, I'm beginning to think you may have meant to say something different from what you actually said.
SonicMegaDrive
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A $350 price point certainly doesn't do it any favors, either.
SmokedMeat
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The "Nintendo difference"
JordanN
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It's kinda hard to see PS4/Durango do bad or at least anywhere as bad Wii U.
Third parties are bound to support it and the hardware is powerful. The price would have to be PS3 levels of fail for it to happen but the PS4 doesn't appear to be too exotic for a repeat.
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