Finaika
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I can't wait to have to kick some idiot's ass if/when I travel to Aussie
Why the sad face?
More racist bus fun.
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Why the sad face?
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It's not 5%.
Just the same old: "There's lots of racism, for sure! But *I'm* not racist! I swear!". So where do all the racists come from if nobody's racist?...Australia is 92% white(Not saying that's a bad thing). In what universe did the aboriginal people disappear to? Talk about a loud echo chamber.
I see your point and as soon as I wrote it I knew it was a little short, but at what point do you define racist on that table?
I'm a bit surprised at that 79% of people who say it's not a good idea of different races to marry, but the question may have been couched a certain way.
The 52% who think certain cultures don't fit into the Australian society is telling. I'm not sure how that stacks up against other Western multicultural societies though - a lot of countries in Europe for example will have a similar outlook (I suspect Muslim would be the predominant cultural group referenced both here and there). I'm not saying the 52% is good, I'm not saying it isn't a problem, I'm just saying it may not be out of the ordinary.
As to the indigenous Australian question - there has been decades of people trying to come up with a solution to the problem. I don't have the solution to what is an extremely complex issue I won't even pretend to understand. Do you?
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
he could probably take the people, but then get utterly destroyed by the fauna. that shit aint nothing to fuck with
it is because the bus drivers get involved in the shit up here.
reptilescorpio
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I actually read on another website that someone did speak up, didn't see anything about that in the News.com.au article though. Ah, here it is.
Need to crack down on this shit. His face is on Youtube now, find him and make sure he knows it isn't acceptable behaviour.
I heard a few voices, couldn't make out what they were saying.
Lord Panda
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Poor tourists
And yes, I'm Australian and shit like this really pisses me off.
And yes, I'm Australian and shit like this really pisses me off.
Poor tourists
And yes, I'm Australian and shit like this really pisses me off.
I almost got run over by a car full of laughing German guys, but it's not really the same.
Every time I see a Southern Cross or Aussie Pride on a bogan's car I want to run it off the road.
CrushDance
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Actually it's quiet simple. The answer is: By the same policies and systems set up to ensure that white immigrants could flourish. That's it!
Grand Funk Carwash
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Humour me. Define white.
CrushDance
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Excuse me? I literally have no idea what you're asking me to do in the context of this discussion about Australia. Did some other imperial power settle it?
Edit: Anyway. You should know(You probably do) that there were many policies set in place granting land amongst other things to new arrivals that helped them get a foot in the door initially. As it was also done in the America's and Africa. Not to mention the "White Australia" policy that was literally called that and the massive influx of European only immigrants after WW2. Which the sole purpose of was to populate Australia with white people.
I don't know what you want me to say. This is simply history.
Grand Funk Carwash
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You're saying Australia was setup for white people and in the context of the 'White Australia Policy' a lot of people you would probably say were white weren't considered white. So if Australia is structured to keep immigrants down we wouldn't have a metric fuck-ton of successful non-British European immigrants. When was the last time you heard anyone cop shit for being a 'wog'?
I don't think naming and shaming works when the majority either share his opinion or think there's nothing wrong with it, as evidenced by the inaction in the video. That's probably why the bus driver didn't give a shit.
i_am_ben
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I believe he has taken issue with your use of the term "white".
Australia has seen a staggeringly high rate of European migration since world war 2 and you're using the term white pretty freely to group together a whole lot of different ethnicities. In doing so you come across as implying that there is a higher degree of homogeneity between white people than actually exists.
Heck I have Australia-Italian friends that wouldn't even call themselves "white".
Unfortunately public transport is pretty bad in Australia, and you can occasionally get bad elements like this old guy being racist, as well as aggressive drunks, etc etc. The drivers are essentially powerless as well, in terms of being able to physically interject. I've always said though, they really need to pay a security person to be on some public transport lines, particularly at nights.
In a way it's good that this stuff comes out so we can deal with it on a larger scale.
Also, don't let a few of these racist guys worry you too much, most of us here are really nice, I promise!
In a way it's good that this stuff comes out so we can deal with it on a larger scale.
Also, don't let a few of these racist guys worry you too much, most of us here are really nice, I promise!
Back the fuck off.
seriously. how come every fucking thread people are allowed to do this?
but if it's a china is a fucking sess pool, or indias filled with a bunch of rapists? oh noes you cant say that.
So, give some land back - doing it, (probably not enough but there's reality) and introduce a black Australia policy?
I don't think it's as simple as you may believe - treating indigenous Australians the same as 20th century white immigrants isn't going to work. Culturally they're poles apart for one thing.
However, not enough has been done and you're right - it is a national shame.
Lots of bus drivers get assaulted. He may be asking him to leave quietly, you can't tell.
Actually the comments in the Indian rape threads do say that.
They already do.
good, bunch of smarmy rapists instigating their own race bashings in melb and giving us the blame.
Oh really? I've never seen it on the trains at night in Melbourne. Where are you?
Uh what? Did you just say that Indians are rapists and they instigated their own race bashings in Melbourne? There were hundreds of attacks and even killings of Indians in Australia the past few years.
Grand Funk Carwash
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Yes those incidents were disgusting but come on the Indian community are fine and generally pretty nice people. It was just a few opportunistic cunts trying to get their mug in the paper back home.
Also the issue/debate/controversy at the time wasn't whether Indian people were being beaten up it was the reason for it. Some wanted to frame it as racist attacks others (including the police) saw them as opportunistic thefts.
dripdripsplash
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So seing him generalize on a whole nations population you also want permission to do the same ? How mature.
Try telling him how wrong he is instead. There will always be some dude that posts rot and leaves the thread again. No point in getting angry about it.
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And this is just absolutely stupid.
A subsequent Indian Government investigation concluded that out of 152 reported assaults against Indian students in Australia that year, 23 such incidents involved "racial overtones".
In the year 2007-2008, 1,447 Indians had been victims of crime including assaults and robberies in the state of Victoria in Australia. However, the statistics reportedly show that Indians were not over represented in assaults.
23. let that sink in. I could punch a frenchman, call him a cheese eating surrender monkey and it would be one of those 23.
i like the french. but when one attacks... one insults...
It happens every australia is racist thread. everyone condones it.
(I think pricks who assault people based on race or at all are dicks anyway. and have nothing against India or China, infact I'm looking at getting work in China!..."my best friend was black growing up")
What the fuck does this have to do with the fact you said they are a smarmy bunch of rapists who instigated their own race bashings?
"Mr. Garg, an accounting graduate was stabbed to death in a suburban Melbourne park as he walked home at night after his shift at a fast-food restaurant".
That's one of the murders that came on the heels of a string of attacks and was what caused an outrage. How does a poor guy who came to Australia to study for a post graduate degree instigate his death walking home from work?
If you don't want them in the country, say it. Don't take their money, which is 5 times what native Australians pay to study and then taunt them or abuse them on top of it. I have a friend, born in Canada, who's studying in Australia right now in Queensland. Just 5 months ago, he got assaulted at a bar, and while you can say there are no racial overtones, it's funny how the lone Indian in a bar full of white people is attacked no?
dripdripsplash
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Hahahah! I was thinking the same thing as I was reading your post.
Well I don't know what to say then. I guess the mods should do a better job of enforcing the rules in all threads then, and not just in the high tenacity ones.
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Still doesn't excuse generalizing btw.
CrazedProfessional
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Sure it's Australia but it's also Public Transport.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Drunk people say stupid things. That's it. (in reference to this bus incident.)
This is true also, I mean you just have to look at that internet meme with that beard guy in the States, or "Britain's fuck all" lady with her 3 year old kid on the tube. Public transport by nature can attract all sorts.
roosters93
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Are you serious?
I just can't tell in these threads when people say the darnedest things.
1) He was an angry drunk guy. That's funny. (when he starts spouting racist shit then yeah that stops being funny. for some people though laughter is a common thing to go to when they don't know how to react)
2) If he's pissed, logically some other people on the bus are probably pissed too which makes everything funnier. (and things that aren't even funny, funny)
3) He said Japan bombed Adelaide and Melbourne. I thought that was funny how much of a fucking idiot he is. They could've too.
Folks? Pretty sure it was one man was it not? What isn't rational about not getting in the way of a raving lunatic and protecting yourself? Sure it's not the right, moral thing to do but it's entirely rational.
I don't want to come off as defending the people in the video too much, yes someone should have definitely stepped in and helped these people defend themselves from this verbal attack. But at the end of the day it's only a verbal attack. There's no doubt in my mind that plenty of those same people who aren't doing anything would have protected these people if he physically threatened them.
We were? See I was too focused on Tarantino trying to act once again and his terrible accent to actually think 'hang on a second, what are Aussies doing in this?'
This is a pretty bad argument line to go down but.. if we are 'almost worse than America' why is it that whenever something like this is posted on GAF, Americans adopt a holier-than-thou attitude and pile onto Australia without a hint of self-awareness.
Australia does have a racism problem but y'all are right there with us.
Oh come off it. How the fuck can you say that seriously? The majority share his opinion? How can you think so little of us
shanshan310
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Go on, make more broad strokes about a country you've never been to. I dare you.
I can only recall, in my lifetime, two or three direct confrontations with racist morons. I say this having grown up the suburb over from where the cronulla riots took place. Two of those 'racist morons' were not white. I doubt you'll even encounter any. This is a small minority of people, and while we do have our fair share of racial issues that I believe we need to work through (including the treatment of Aborigines and refugees, and our own self image of an Australian) I do not think that people from the outside looking in are in an appropriate position to judge.I can't wait to have to kick some idiot's ass if/when I travel to Aussie
Oh you read a wikipedia article. I'm sure you're an expect.
As a man living in Florida, I stand by my word good sir.
shanshan310
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You read that backwards, 79% don't agree.
It seems about right to me, though it is a little disturbing. Especially in areas made up of undereducated white people, you get a lot who say that they don't mind immigration as long as the people make an effort to 'fit in'. Shit like todaytonight and Murdock press publish a fair number of stories that make it look like a number of migrants aren't trying to fit in, and people take it to heart. Its particularly sad when they think this means people should have to speak English (though it means I can yell at them in Japanese and piss them off though, which has been fun).
Brisvegas.
Phat Michael
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He will if he can think he can beat up anyone who causes him trouble.
Also, i was born and raised in Australia (Perth, WA) - during my primary/high school years i copped a bit of racism but TBH, it was just a bit of a joke. No beatings, nothing like that. a few asian jokes etc - just laughed them off. I left Australia in 2003, i usually go home every 1-2 years or so if i can.
i have noticed in general that the population on the whole is pretty racist. The worst examples are ANYTHING to do with Australia day.
the whole "Fuck off were full" "we grew here, you flew here" and all the other boat people jokes seem to come out every year in full force.
TBH though, its mainly the low class bogans bringing the country down, you cant judge a whole country based on the actions of a subset of people like bogans or the cronulla riots types.
In general, Australia is less safe than it used to be. i dont feel safe at all going out to Northbridge (Night club district) and there just seems to be a lot of car crimes, beatings etc - a lot more than there used to be.
Its a shame, because it really is a beautiful country let down by the actions of a few idiots.
So is Australia generally racist or is it only a few? Also, aren't you generalising either way?
Well, there were the riots back in 2005 and the attacks against Indian students that were heavily publicised. Australia may not be "more racist than any other progressive country" but they're certainly gaining a reputation for this kind of thing.
Alligatorjandro
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quit being racist
It's kind of hard to say. As with Australia there's probably some pretty significant variation geographically. I'm from Wellington and can't remember ever seeing any kind of racist incident there, yet I suspect that might not be the case if I grew up in somewhere like Christchurch. New Zealand is reasonably diverse too which probably helps, our largest city Auckland breaks down as having 56.5 percent identifying as Europeans, 18.9 percent as Asian, 11.1 percent as Māori and 14.4 percent as other Pacific Islanders.
Thanks. Looks like I'll have to visit NZ myself once to see if I get shafted. After watching LoTR, I've always wanted to buy some land there by the ocean and build hobbit home (heh). Spent hours in Google street view but what that can't tell you is how are the people in the neighbourhood.
I'd think most people are quiet because they're chicken shits who don't want to get assaulted by a nutcase rather than sharing his crazy-ass drunken views. Shame, because it takes people to speak out against this sort of shit for dumbasses to not do this.
shanshan310
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Unfortunately and perhaps undeservedly so. While its true we have our fair share of idiots I think that in the end its something we as Australians need to address. Having people comment "oh I saw another video like this, so Australia is really racist" is not only completely unhelpful, its rather insulting too. Thus why you get a lot of backlash and people seeing as "proof of denial". We do have some jerks, but please don't brand us all because you saw a video of one guy harassing people on a bus. It really is a small, disgustingly vocal and pandered to minority.
In the past I have not had much luck reasoning with the drunken idiots, but I've quietly apologised to the people who were harassed. Speaking up is important, but getting them to listen is hard.
Oh I'd say it's a pretty relaxed place generally. Where I grew up in Wellington there are a lot of people from all sort of backgrounds including a large number of refugees (I was in the minority being white at my primary school) and as I said I never saw any problems. Every country has its share of idiots though.
Everywhere has jerks. I never saw any racism when I lived in Melbourne. All I'm saying is the government might want to think about how it can work to ensure Australia doesn't end up with a (largely unjust) image internationally.
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