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Oculus Rift - Dev Kit Discussion [Orders Arriving]
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For first-person experiences, I'd imagine it's roughly the same difficulty as it already was to create a first-person [shooter] environment in UDK/Unity/whatever. Which is to say, quite feasible for one or two people, but can take quite a while to do it well. Plus, extra effort to test it with the Rift and avoid things that make people sick or don't work well.
Also, I don't think photorealistic is an option yet until higher resolution displays become available, even if there were an engine that could somehow render it.
catotheyounger
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Meaning to dabble in creating an environment for first person exploration. The pipeline that I have in my head is to create models in Blender, and take them into UDK. While that is admittedly simplified, is that the process I should be looking at?
Gangxxter
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Damn, I'm so jealous right now!Ok, I just had one of the most incredible experiences.
I ran the Epic Citadel map from the UDKGame, brought the console down and typed 'Fly'. I then proceeded to fly up to one of the towers and stuck my hand out as if to touch the stone wall as I flew by. It was an amazing and emotional experience. I can't believe how realistic it was! I really felt that I was there.
I'm sorry, but when they get the resolution sorted out, some people are never going to come back.
And I'll reiterate, the Unreal Engine is amazing in the Rift!!
Go immediately, put on a song you love, and fly around the Epic Citadel. Oh and make sure to touch the stone on the way by.
*Must resist to buy a Devkit now*
If you're using UDK, that's probably the best free approach, yes. I felt like the community for UDK had become less active as the UDK was updated less often over the last several months, but maybe the Oculus release will bring some new people into the scene.
There's a GAF UDK thread if you want to ask UDK-specific questions where more people might see it: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430197&page=15
For Blender, I'm in the process of learning/relearning it, using 2.6x. I think it can work pretty well and it has some things that are designed for streamlined export/import to UDK, but there are gotchas that you have to learn along the way by following guides or tutorials. For Blender-specific questions, there's a Blender IRC channel (maybe on freenode, I forget) that is super helpful, but search the internet/manual/guides/tutorial stuff before asking of course.
There is a ton of free Blender information, examples, and guides available. Some are about the process of going directly from Blender to UDK, too.Bear in mind there can be a heavy learning curve for both Blender and the UDK. You can become really fast at using Blender, but it might take quite some time before you learn all the weird user interface tricks.
Betta Lines
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Would it be possible to create a decent 3D camera with the same optical setup as the Rift, so that you could playback imaginary first person video through the Rift? Obviously this would be without headtracking and you'd be in the hands of the cameraman who is deciding where you're looking... but I think it would be an interesting experience just to get real 3D video on there.
I want to recreate the world using a go pro or something that is pointed at the back of my head. Then, on the virtual representation of my screen, I would have an image of me looking at an image of me...
Basically I want to re-enact a scene from Spaceballs.
It doesn't seem like my Rift will arrive this week after all 
The funniest part is when you tell someone who is struggling to learn "modern" Blender that it used to be much worse!
"Hey, at least it doesn't crash all the time now!"It doesn't seem like my Rift will arrive this week after all
The funniest part is when you tell someone who is struggling to learn "modern" Blender that it used to be much worse!
I've considered trying the Maya bindings, which I think are more similar to the UDK's bindings. The big downside to that is that I assume most any Blender tutorial will have all the Blender mouse/key bindings set to the Blender default, which means I might have even more trouble following them. But man if it isn't confusing having Blender and UDK be opposites for mouse coordination, with different camera controls.
catotheyounger
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Thanks a lot. I've been looking at youtube tutorials as to the interface and basic building functions, but I am getting my brain around it. I primarily use Photoshop, so this is a whole different set of tools to learn and acclimate myself with.
Oh wow! That looks like it works really well. Seems like something that could easily be added to future models, though you'd just need some sort of external base station for it to track position relative to, like the Hydra does.
The Rift already has a "base station" of a sort -- the video/usb connection box. It could be added to that.
RobotsAnger
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Amazing, consumer version MUST have something like this.
Very nice.
What is your avatar from? It's cool.
And I think the Hydra isn't wireless because they were concerned about additional latency or complexity or interference. I'm not sure.
Does anyone know for sure if the Hydra can support four controllers? It comes with two controllers and a base station, and only one base station per PC is supported, but I couldn't find 100% confirmation that you can use 3+ controllers on a single base station if you had two Hydra sets.
I don't think. It was originally scheduled for wireless. And then it got delayed a bit. And wired became the shipping model with zero hint of wireless ever returning.
Factor in people reporting skipping problems if they're using a 3D monitor (I'm guessing the glasses signal cause some kind of interference), and it's my guess they were having similar issues with the wireless model.
1. No idea, i just saw a big picture of it somewhere and used it
edit: Google pciture search
Name of the guy who made it is Mike Mitchell
Has sth. to do with The Muppets oO
other guy from him
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvjjz0yc461qzlfumo1_500.jpg
Has sth. to do with The Muppets oO
other guy from him
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvjjz0yc461qzlfumo1_500.jpg
2. Someone on reddit posted "The hydra supports up to 6 inputs so it should be trivial for them to add more" so it sounds like you could use multiplie Hydras but can you buy them cheap without the station?
I saw that exact comment on reddit, and that's why I started searching. I couldn't find any confirmation of the Hydra supporting more than 2 controllers. There's some other sixsense devkit that supposedly supports 6 though.1. No idea, i just saw a big picture of it somewhere and used it
edit: Google pciture search
Name of the guy who made it is Mike Mitchell
Has sth. to do with The Muppets oO
other guy from him
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvjjz0yc461qzlfumo1_500.jpg
2. Someone on reddit posted "The hydra supports up to 6 inputs so it should be trivial for them to add more" so it sounds like you could use multiplie Hydras but can you buy them cheap without the station?
The Prequel Movie to "Oculus Rift Positional Tracking with Razer Hydra"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hj6ERrbovBw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hj6ERrbovBw
E-Cat
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We all knew this was coming, but seeing someone actually interact in 6DoF is... pretty powerful. Think of the possibilities, man. Fuck. Now where's my goddamn kit??
ephemeral garbage
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Yay, my Rift arrived today!
Unhandled Exception
Member
Hydra just showed up. At least I'll have that configed when the Rift gets here.
Unhandled Exception
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It is incredibly difficult to play shooters with the Hydra. Lesson learned.
catotheyounger
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Batch 2 is arriving. Apparently the size is ~700. According to Palmer on their own boards, there are 13k+ orders, "with more everyday".
tested with sixens?
Unhandled Exception
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Yeah I was playing TF2. It's not bad I mean I have a Move and knew what to expect but man I am terrible with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85KtcZ4NNL4
Virtual Cinema still my object of desire.
Gaia Online (I know) had a virtual theater feature a few years back. Your character would walk around the theather, you'd take a seat, and a movie would play at intervals, the original selection being old public domain films (such as house on haunted hill). It was great because you could virtually watch a movie with a bunch of other people/friends.
Best part: If at any point you felt like it you could throw a tomato at the screen, creating a splatter for a few seconds. And this could be spammed to annoy the other viewers.
Can you say..NeoGaf Oculus movie nights?
Virtual Cinema still my object of desire.
Gaia Online (I know) had a virtual theater feature a few years back. Your character would walk around the theather, you'd take a seat, and a movie would play at intervals, the original selection being old public domain films (such as house on haunted hill). It was great because you could virtually watch a movie with a bunch of other people/friends.
Best part: If at any point you felt like it you could throw a tomato at the screen, creating a splatter for a few seconds. And this could be spammed to annoy the other viewers.
Can you say..NeoGaf Oculus movie nights?
CrashPrime
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Has there been any sort of update on how far along in the shipment queue we are? My hype levels are waning the longer I have to wait.
Unhandled Exception
Member
I don't think there's exact info on units shipped but I'm in the #1400's and mine will be here tomorrow or Monday.
Specialmias
Member
I tried to find sources newer than 2004 from my university library on the subject. Basically the gist from the 90's/early 2000's when Sony was selling quite a few very expensive HMD was that they caused developmental issues in kids eyes. If someone under the age of 16 was using them.
The old manuals for HMDs always had HUGE warnings about letting anyone under the age of 16 or so use the headset for fear of... something.. they never specified nor can I find any academic source that tests these things as dangerous. I'm guessing this was internal testing by Sony or someone during the time that revealed potential problems.
*edit one of the sources from the 90's claims it caused eyestrain and screwed up binocular alignment in vision.
Congrats! What order number and country, if I may ask?
That's a good thing if so. If your hype is gone, or you have low expectations going in, maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised!
CrashPrime
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85KtcZ4NNL4
Virtual Cinema still my object of desire.
Gaia Online (I know) had a virtual theater feature a few years back. Your character would walk around the theather, you'd take a seat, and a movie would play at intervals, the original selection being old public domain films (such as house on haunted hill). It was great because you could virtually watch a movie with a bunch of other people/friends.
Best part: If at any point you felt like it you could throw a tomato at the screen, creating a splatter for a few seconds. And this could be spammed to annoy the other viewers.
Can you say..NeoGaf Oculus movie nights?
I know it's not going to be great on the devkit due to resolution, but deep down inside, this is one of the most interesting/fun things I plan to try as well.
Maximum hype, it's the NeoGAF way! (not sure if I could ever fully lose hype for this thing, finally VR!!!!!!)
@OculusVR said:
I confirmed that this is apparently for Kickstarter backers only so far, signing in did not give me a code. I asked @Oculus3D when the rest of us can expect codes, will update if I get a reply.
Edit:
@OculusVR said:
Which makes sense. Otherwise, people would be grabbing the code and cancelling their pre-order. I'm just a little disappointed though, was looking forward to running around with that thing strapped to my heavy's face.
Unhandled Exception
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Worked fine here. No email.
metareferential
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Code should appear right there a few moments after you click the button.
Just got mine.
Probably close to July
Initial reactions:
1) Screen resolution is super noticeable. Very low res, pixels everywhere. Can't even read the text in TF2 VR mode.
2) Don't notice any latency in TF2 or the SDK demo. Very easy to lose myself in the demo exploring.
3) Makes me nauseous, but I'm getting used to it. My eyes are a bit fubar but they're adjusting just like with the 3DS 3D.
4) Augh, my brain. The feeling of being inside the world is amazing, but TF2's fast action is hard to track with moving my neck. I think this is going to feel great in a slower action game like Skyrim.
1) Screen resolution is super noticeable. Very low res, pixels everywhere. Can't even read the text in TF2 VR mode.
2) Don't notice any latency in TF2 or the SDK demo. Very easy to lose myself in the demo exploring.
3) Makes me nauseous, but I'm getting used to it. My eyes are a bit fubar but they're adjusting just like with the 3DS 3D.
4) Augh, my brain. The feeling of being inside the world is amazing, but TF2's fast action is hard to track with moving my neck. I think this is going to feel great in a slower action game like Skyrim.
A guy from Sixense was asked about that on the MTBS forums. The main factor was - guess what - the price. Apparently the wireless version would have been too expensive. Also, the wire guarantees you're in the optimal working range of the base station.
That being said, while he didn't confirm anything, I'm pretty darn sure they're working on V2. He clearly said the rise of VR gave a new life to the hydra. They seem to be working pretty closely with the Oculus guys. Good times.
Don't have mine yet but here's a few suggestions anyway:
- Have you done the IPD adjustments? Apparently it's super important.
- One Rift owner suggested to close your eyes whenever you're using something else than your head to turn.
It didn't work in Chrome for some reason, but it came right up in Opera.
As someone that doesn't want to play TF2 long term (did that pre-hats), is the move to keep the code and then sell that, or claim the code and sell the hat via some sort of in-game system?
Not that it's guaranteed to be worth anything; I just don't want to kick myself later
My Rift is almost guaranteed to arrive the day after I move, and to be enjoyed by the people that bought our house.
I wonder if I need to alert UPS that I'm moving or something