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[batman2million]

Man if it weren't for GAF I wouldn't be able to tolerate these 9 hour work days!

LONG LIVE GAF!

 

[Huevos de Oro]

I'm also hunchbacked and suffer from elephantiasis. You'll see in the documentary!

Documentary headline: Evilore has a huge ballsack!

 

[VeryGooster]

Well we do like a good pile-on sometimes (we'll never turn down an opportunity to pounce on Gies) but that's only because someone put themselves in a position to be piled on in the first place.

However Edge makes it seem like we bugged the guy's office and listened in to his private conversations and leaked them when he was just having a public twitter meltdown. If shinobi didn't post it then 10 minutes later someone on Reddit would have, and I'm sure the media would be calling them out for it just like us.....:lol

Outside of searching GAF, the usual job sites like LinkedIn (and general Google), it's kind of odd that screen capping tweets was made out to be Woodward/Bernstein-level detective work. :lol

 

[DragonSworne]

I already have before. Still, I don't know if it's an optical illusion. Because you know what they say about men with bigger left eyes...

You chew too much on your left side. Try eating food on the right side of your mouth. It will balance out your eye shape.

 

[Hypereides]

Documentary headline: Evilore has a huge ballsack!

Ballsack? I was thinking.... something else.

 

[RobbieH]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

Yesterday reports that Adam Orth, the guy who somehow caused this shitstorm, is no longer at Microsoft.

Let’s pay attention to the wording here. Resigned. Not fired.

Now, beyond all of the use of the impact font and the “Haha let’s make an internet meme out of this guy we’ve never met” let’s also remember that what happened between Adam and his employer is now between the two of them. His comments may have exploded on the internet, but it’s actually quite possible that he was eyeing a departure, or he was getting bad reviews, or was tired of the perpetual overcast nature of the Pacific Northwest and timing may have been right for him to move on.

...

If you’re on a forum raging about Adam’s comments there’s a whole new generation of kids who are growing up always online who won’t really give a shit. And all that anger, all of that vitrol, all of that lynch mobbing that the internet seems to love to do lately will be for naught and forgotten.

...

I find it disgusting that an online community would revel in the fact that they may have potentially contributed to a person losing their job. Even then, if they didn’t have anything to do with it at the end of the day, that they have the collective ego to think that they could do that.

 

[Paskil]

I would shit all over my family and everything I love for seven figures; ethics are for the plebian masses. Just kidding probably, I work in a job where I deal with ethical dilemmas all the time.

 

[dolph]

I don't post much, but I lurk a lot. GAF is still my favorite site on all the internets!

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

yeah we're really revelling in it. I'm gonna bathe in that fucking thread and print it out so my children can one day see what this neogaf fellow has wrought.

 

[George Claw M.D.]

GAF's defining moment was the Blu-ray vs HDDVD format wars thread. That was the pinnacle of fanboy wars, and the stakes were real. The losers' format would actually die, not coexist a la PS3/360 or SNES/Genesis.

 

[FStop7]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

TOO BAD, MOTHERFUCKER.

 

[Professor Beef]

We have so many haters that it's unbelievable. But that's only because they wished they were on GAF.

The haters make me laugh.

 

[Rapstah]

I don't see what Cliff has to do with this. If he were the one who allegedly got someone fired and NeoGAF in general viewed it as his fault, he's be in that fucking thread posting rage comics.

 

[Hot Coldman]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

I find it disgusting that an online community would revel in the fact that they may have potentially contributed to a person losing their job. Even then, if they didn’t have anything to do with it at the end of the day, that they have the collective ego to think that they could do that.

Cliff.

This isn't happening.

 

[DragonSworne]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

I'm really starting to not like CliffyB. Why does he have a bad opinion of us?

 

[Respawn]

All praise the GAF

 

[Deified Data]

EDGE talking about Neogaf with the same fearful-yet-reverent tone that senior citizens used to talk about the internet in 1996.

 

[Amir0x]

Who is 'reveling' in the fact he lost his job? I mean, can CliffyB list names?

There is a difference between saying 'he deserved to lose his job' and actively celebrating the fact; nobody wants anyone fired, but people are safe and can still be perfectly good people if they say the guy deserves to be fired. And in the position he is, he has absolutely nobody to blame but himself. People need to take personal responsibility for their fuck ups. It may be hard at first, but it's right.

 

[donny2112]

It may be hard at first, but it's right.

Yeah, was going to say that it is hard (for the pre-edit), since you have to admit you were wrong (not easy to find nowadays), but it's definitely the better path to go on, despite the difficulties, in my opinion.

 

[Hot Coldman]

EDGE talking about Neogaf with the same fearful-yet-reverent tone that senior citizens used to talk about the internet in 1996.

They're actually one of the few places I can understand not liking us much, given so many EDGE threads got full of idiots posting garbage like "ENGLISH BIAS".

But yeah. Lighten up.

 

[Huevos de Oro]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

It's a good read, touches some important points about the always-online stuff. I'm not sure about his choice of words regarding the attitude of some users here about the way things went down, but maybe he's looking at it from a different perspective, I dunno.

I am as much a part of GAF as anyone else here, and I don't really dig the whole "hivemind" or "lynch mob" thing that has been commented both in that EDGE piece as well as in Cliffy's blog.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I tried to think of something witty to say about Clifford's blog post, but I decided that there's no real point.

It's really a shame that it's easier to demonize a video game enthusiast website instead of telling your bro that you fucked up. "You screwed up, dude. Learn from your mistake and become a better person for it."

I'm amused by everything that's going on the one hand, but I'm pretty frustrated on the other.

 

[DragonSworne]

nobody wants anyone fired,

I disagree, unless of course the want of someone getting fired does not stem from performance reasons or racist/ignorant/offensive behavior.

 

[TheSeks]

Wow, I've been there. It's a pretty cool forum.

I hear it's got dirty Finlanders there though.

 

[Danielsan]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

Cliff Bleszinski needs to get back down to earth. As far as I know no one is celebrating Orth getting fired or are somehow reveling in the "achievement" of potentially contributing to someone losing their job. That said. GAF mostly consist of level headed people and they knew from the start that when Orth hit the tweet button on his tweets, he sealed his own demise, and rightfully so.

Cliff has been posting a lot of thoughtless nonsense since his departure from Epic. He'd be better off spending his time on new projects rather than poor Twitter and Tumblr posts.

 

[benny_a]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

The best part of that blogpost is how he is insinuating that everyone who is against the required always-online connectivity is so that they can illegally obtain copyrighted materials.

Sim City, with all of its’ troubles on launch, seems to be selling briskly. Diablo 3, the poster child of a messy launch, is estimated to be at 12 million units. (Remember the internet rage over the art style shift? I barely do. But it seemed so important at the time!) I would bet money that without the always online elements of Diablo 3 that it would have sold half of that.

Nice argument there. Game is popular, therefor anything it does is redeemed.

“I’m so angry about this game treating me like a thief!” ::alt tabs over to bit torrent::

If we don’t have devices that aren’t fully always online you can bet your ass that we’ll have devices that encourage you to return to the online ecosystem in order to “check in” and make sure everything on the system is legit.

 

[antitrop]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

I actually found myself agreeing with and understanding a lot of the things he says there.
Overall, one of his better blog posts, certainly more on the mark than the last one I read.

Not every word is perfect, people can feel free to dissect individual sentences, but I understand what he's getting at.

The first 3/4, mostly. The fourth quarter where he starts blaming online gaming communities, he lost me.

 

[Des0lar]

Who is 'reveling' in the fact he lost his job? I mean, can CliffyB list names?

There is a difference between saying 'he deserved to lose his job' and actively celebrating the fact; nobody wants anyone fired, but people are safe and can still be perfectly good people if they say the guy deserves to be fired. And in the position he is, he has absolutely nobody to blame but himself. People need to take personal responsibility for their fuck ups. It may be hard at first, but it's right.

Yeah, basically no one in that thread waws celebrating, it was just a lot of people saying that he deserved what happened to him. Completely different things.

 

[Gorillaz]

EDGE talking about Neogaf with the same fearful-yet-reverent tone that senior citizens used to talk about the internet in 1996.

EDGE is known for being kind of tough. Especially in the review space.


Also the fact that gaf was blamed for his Adam's downfall, like as if he wasn't going to get sacked for speaking on twitter about that shit. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last to be outspoken and lose a job from twitter.

Now the people that are HAPPY for him getting fired are insane. At the end of the day it's a guy who just lost his job, which is fucked up.

 

[Professor Beef]

Cliffy has spent all of the goodwill I have given him from Gears of War. Now he just looks like an uninformed blog writer.

 

[Haunted]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

Not sure what you're talking about, Cliffy is a GAFer as well. You mean he doesn't like himself.


I mean, seriously. Whenever you're honestly pointing to "GAF" as a single entity in any sort of argument, you've already lost. "They" don't exist. "We" don't exist.


I am a unique snowflake.

 

[DragonSworne]

Cliffy has spent all of the goodwill I have given him from Gears of War. Now he just looks like an uninformed blog writer.

Gears of War was one of his weaker games though...

 

[TommyT]

I'm also hunchbacked and suffer from elephantiasis. You'll see in the documentary!

Can confirm this to be utterly false. I had to keep my yet-to-be fiancee from running off with you mid concert. I'm sure Hilian7 can attest.

 

[buhdeh]

Come on. Even the OP of that thread seems regretful for posting it in the first place. That blog post could not be more out of touch.

 

[Professor Beef]

Gears of War was one of his weaker games though...

It's the only game series he worked on that I liked, though.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Whenever you're seriously, honestly pointing to "GAF" as a single entity in an argument, you've already lost.

"They" don't exist. "We" don't exist.

I am a unique snowflake.

I liked that EviLore slightly addressed this in the article. We are not a hivemind.

That said, he's probably considered our All-Knowing Tyrannical Supreme HyperFuhrer to the "outside net" so no-one's gonna listen :/

 

[antitrop]

It's the only game series he worked on that I liked, though.

No Jazz Jackrabbit, really?

 

[Amir0x]

I disagree, unless of course the want of someone getting fired does not stem from performance reasons or racist/ignorant/offensive behavior.

No what I mean is nobody actively wakes up and wants anybody fired. I'm sure before this guy said what he did, most people didn't even have him on the radar. CliffyB is acting like certain forums are a mob oriented 'burn-him-at-the-stake' sort of thing, when all the vast majority of people were saying was that he deserved to lose his job because he has a role, it is visible and vocal, and the only appropriate action after such a misstep is removal from post.

Maybe CliffyB knows the guy better than we do and knows that Orth was just being tongue-in-cheek and that insider knowledge of the type of guy he is makes it feel extra personal for him and I can understand that. For all I know, CliffyB is totally right about Orth and he's a cool cat. But being a cool cat and being right for your job, especially after something like this, are two different things entirely.

That said I think we shouldn't forget that plenty of people in that thread felt sorry for him, maybe more people than those with malice/schadenfreude. Whatever one might think of GAF's initial reaction (yesterday), there was definitely a lot of empathy for Orth as well, something we shouldn't forget in this debate.

For all the bad things that happen, there's a lot of very decent, sympathetic people around here, maybe the majority.

Right but I also think this comment implies everyone should be required to show some sympathy to be on the 'right side' of this story. I feel 'sympathy' when something is actually beyond someone's control. I hope nobody felt genuine sympathy when I lost my modship, because I deserved that shit and Evilore and neoGAF were right to be angry about it. Of course, I might argue that some on neoGAF hold grudges too long, but that's just the human condition

 

[PFD]

I want that hype train shirt

 

[Deified Data]

Not sure what you're talking about, Cliffy is a GAFer as well. You mean he doesn't like himself.


I mean, seriously. Whenever you're honestly pointing to "GAF" as a single entity in any sort of argument, you've already lost. "They" don't exist. "We" don't exist.


I am a unique snowflake.

Gaffers don't do that, but critics of GAF seems to do it all the time. We're a homogeneous, opinionated blob when it's convenient for us to be characterized as such.

 

[Czigga]

Dammit, I wish Cliffy B still was at Epic so we could get him fired.

 

[Professor Beef]

No Jazz Jackrabbit, really?

Really.

Gaffers don't do that, but critics of GAF seems to do it all the time. We're a homogeneous, opinionated blob when it's convenient for us to be characterized as such.

That's not like a moeblob, is it? Because if it is, I want no part of it.

 

[TheSeks]

CliffyB doesn't seem to like us.

Yeah, okay. He can keep his iPad connected to the internet. Meanwhile, I turn Airplane mode on whenever I can on such devices that aren't phones to save my battery life from being on the wifi constantly.

So... whatever. If the 720 is always-on, he can bet his ass if there's no option for me to turn it off to save on bandwidth I'll not buy it.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Somehow I doubt that the board has actual influence

But I can dream

Hopefully Obama reads PoliGAF

 

[EviLore]

I find it disgusting that an online community would revel in the fact that they may have potentially contributed to a person losing their job. Even then, if they didn’t have anything to do with it at the end of the day, that they have the collective ego to think that they could do that.

 

[Seanspeed]

Not sure what you're talking about, Cliffy is a GAFer as well. You mean he doesn't like himself.


I mean, seriously. Whenever you're honestly pointing to "GAF" as a single entity in any sort of argument, you've already lost. "They" don't exist. "We" don't exist.


I am a unique snowflake.

YOU. ARE. A. BEE. LIKE. ALL. OF. US.

 

[Frolow]

I would bet money that without the always online elements of Diablo 3 that it would have sold half of that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the auction house the only reason the game was always online? If that's the case, then I sincerely doubt Diablo 3 would have only sold 6 million if the auction house wasn't included.

 

[FStop7]

I find it disgusting that an online community would revel in the fact that they may have potentially contributed to a person losing their job. Even then, if they didn’t have anything to do with it at the end of the day, that they have the collective ego to think that they could do that.

"MARIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Dammit, I wish Cliffy B still was at Epic so we could get him fired.

Fear our power.

Even if we couldn't, we sure THINK we can.

My ego can't fit in my fucking house.

#yolo #swag #swagtastic #GAFswag

 

[scytherage]

I don't think Neogaf caused Orth to get fired. Orth caused it himself.