cj_iwakura
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And the new girl looks just fine.
In more ways than one.
In more ways than one.
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Shin Megami Tensei IV (3DS) coming to NA retail/eShop Summer 2013 (July 16)
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I never knew about this! Well thanks for the heads up, and I don't pay tax on Amazon so I'll be able to get this for $47.50 or so. I'm hoping the same for Animal Crossing.
Mauricio_Magus
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Well, there's the two P2 games (though their situation is... unique), SMTII is a continuation of I but many years later, Devil Summoner 2 (Raidou 2 I'd prefer to call it) does continue from 1 though that's kind of episodic, and P2 does have some P1 references. But in general you can jump in at most any point, and I doubt SMTIV has ties significant enough to require going to I-III first.
It depends on the game. Persona 3 FES is easily 100 hours. Nocturne and Strange Journey are 50+. Persona 4 is 60-70.
Raidou 2 is 35 hours. Devil Survivor games 25-30. Digital Devil Saga games same deal.
Just talking about main stories here. Adding in sidequests (P3 and Raidou 2 have 100+, P4 50, SJ around 50 or a bit lower too I believe) and optional bosses (some can only be fought on a New Game+) there's more time there.
For SMT IV, 30-50 should be a minimum. If it can even be completed in 30 in a non-speed run. Then add in 100 quests, and anything else it might have.
SirNinja
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No. Not "with this logic". I don't know whose logic you used to arrive at that conclusion, but it sure wasn't mine.
Revelations was barely 8 hours long. The blowback on the price there was fairly justified. (Also, Revelations was never actually sold at $50, so that's kind of a non-issue.)
Hey now, wait until we actually see who's doing the voices - might be decent. Atlus has definitely surprised me before in that department.
100 at least, if Nocturne/Strange Journey are any indication. Nocturne certainly took me about as long, and Strange Journey took me about 85 for the first playthrough.
Don't worry too much about that. Barring a few recurring characters and references, the SMT games are each fairly standalone stories.
Vyse The Legend
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Plenty of games have 80+ hours length (many Atlus games, in fact) -- yet, they all magically released at standard prices and went on to be wildly successful. It seems silly to start using length to justify an increased pricepoint now when the 3DS has successful titles of a similar length.
Length is a crappy justification. The only logical reason is that they don't expect it to do very well and so are hoping to recover costs with a premium. Presumably they didn't do it with Soul Hackers because interest isn't quite as high.
Deified Data
Banned
All of them. Never played one that didn't take me more than 80 hours. I could have easily grinded past 100 if I wanted to be a completionist.
or they know that fans will buy it at whatever price and are hoping to capitalize on that?
I don't mind paying a premium if I enjoy a game. Which is always a gamble since you are not 100% sure beforehand if a game is to your liking. Length is just an added bonus to me. I do like my games to be lengthy though. I love it to get ridiculously overlevelled and complete as much as possible before I complete a game. Which gets worse if a game has a new game+ option and some of the stuff carries over.
I don't think it's as simple as that. I find it unlikely that they'd do the same thing for, say, Persona 5. Because that game would sell a lot more than SMT4 will.
I actually like the rest of your points but I have two friends with a combined SEVEN HUNDRED HOURS on Revelations because of Raid Mode.
Yeah, I think at this point it's obvious they are afraid it's going to bomb. I wonder how profitable these games are for them to be honest. It seems like EO4 did below 20k which doesn't sound very good. Fairly sure P2 IS bombed horrible too. I doubt Soul Hackers will fare that much better and I don't think it would have been wise to price an improved Saturn port at 50$.
Either you guys are quite slow or I'm quite fast because I don't think I spent more than 45-50 hours on any of them. And I usually fill the compendium too. It's usually easy late in the game when you have lot of cash for rank up and rank down fusions.
You could've stopped after the bolded, honestly.
It's $50. You'll pay or you won't. End of conversation.
Deified Data
Banned
I'm admittedly a very slow player, so take that into account.
Mauricio_Magus
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Heart Attack
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I'm against paying $50 for a handheld game. I'll pick it up when there's a buy 2 get 1 free or when its $40.
TurnipFritters
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EO4 bombed? where can I get some info about it?
It came up before, but EO4 did better than any of the previous EO titles so.
EO4 did a little over 10k (but below 15k) in like 3 days of tracking and that seems OK to me. The games don't have voice acting so that cuts down on cost. Wonder how they'll handle the EO1 remake which does have voice acting.
Also, 45-50 hours (sometimes less) is doable for most titles. No way you're getting P3 or P4 done in that amount of time unless you're rushing though.
We haven't had many original built-for-3DS RPGs like this yet, it's likely going to be on one of those bigger carts, and the production values do seem to be higher than most of those built-for-3DS RPGs. But we'll see how big it really is once it hits the eShop.
Well, I do imagine they want to recoup costs with other countries too rather than just cover localization, nevermind if the cart IS bigger and more expensive. Though yeah, I have to admit it doesn't have the wild appeal factor that justifies, say, bringing RE:R's price down or keeping stuff like Mario from needing to be $50.
Yeah, I think the 20k is from a fairly small period too. And it's worth remembering just WHAT EO4 is: I recall that Disgaea was a modest success at 50k sold, certainly enough to make the series internet popular and get NISA founded, and it's very plausible that was the more expensive game with it's significant VA, more detailed battle fields, and piles of sprites and conversation portraits. Granted there is the cost of carts, but I wonder if a significant number of digital sales negate that?
Yeah I like to take my time too, also the timestamp doesn't include the times you died after over an hour without saving.
Deified Data
Banned
Are all the demons in the boxart new designs? I loooove the one on the top right corner.
Just noticed Law Guy's weird slit pupils.
And yes, they're all new designs, if that hasn't been answered already.
SatelliteOfLove
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I will say this about the $50 charge: D/L version is a bit much. Gotsta have dose feelies!
Another thing about Atlus and NI games are is that they seem to have intensely strong word-of-mouth and long tail and so buck the trend the video game industry as a whole seems hell bent to becoming.
I've played so many voiceless DCs. It's a different zen.
Another thing about Atlus and NI games are is that they seem to have intensely strong word-of-mouth and long tail and so buck the trend the video game industry as a whole seems hell bent to becoming.
I've played so many voiceless DCs. It's a different zen.
P4 is really easy to do in that time. Last playthrough I did I would only spend a total of two days in dungeons for each people thrown in the tv. The rest you do the S. Link event so you don't have to grind for good skills because of the S. Link exp bonus.
In both games you will have a ridiculous playtime if you spend days in the dungeons.
TurnipFritters
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Woah look everyone, the price came down already 
Siliconera posted some news about new videos.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/12/shin-megami-tensei-iv-videos-show-a-boss-and-press-turn-system/
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/12/shin-megami-tensei-iv-videos-show-a-boss-and-press-turn-system/
Gotta love the goofy and cheap way enemies look when they're defeated and fly away like a piece of cardboard.
The 3rd vid with the boss was freaking awesome though.
Was just about to post that
Losing a demon before you even get to attack seems normal to me lol
buddha0991
Member
Woah look everyone, the price came down already
I'm kinda hoping Tsilon does their 20$ off coupon on preorders at FS like last year. It's usually during E3 that the offer goes up so I'll keep my eyes peeled
Got KH 3DS at launch for 20$ with this offer.
I'm kinda hoping Tsilon does their 20$ off coupon on preorders at FS like last year. It's usually during E3 that the offer goes up so I'll keep my eyes peeled
Got KH 3DS at launch for 20$ with this offer.
SMT IV for $30...
My body is ready!
Also that boss theme is awesome.
Had the same luck myself and pre-ordered. Just above $51 due to taxes so it's really just taking the edge off of those more than anything else, but still nice.
I'm pretty sure he said launch copies.
buddha0991
Member
Not bad, Atlus, not bad. They may have just convinced me to forgo digital to go physical.
buddha0991
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I am assuming thats the reason ours is 50 dollars
Great. GREAT.
I was squealing from too much joy to hear the exact words xD
pre-ordering ASAP
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