if nintendo died to you the day they announced a shitton of first party games... maybe the 3ds wasn't the right console for you.
I mean, what were you expecting?
Zelda game set in Link to the Past world coming to the 3DS, holiday 2013
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if nintendo died to you the day they announced a shitton of first party games... maybe the 3ds wasn't the right console for you.
I mean, what were you expecting?
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Fair enough. I think the same of WW fans.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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I wish it was a sequel to Majora's Mask instead...
That being said, I'm still stoked for this. I can't believe Link's character design is back to the classic version. Didn't think they'd be doing that anytime soon. Initial impressions on the art style are "eh," but I haven't seen it in 3D yet.
Still, this is now my most anticipated 3DS game!
That being said, I'm still stoked for this. I can't believe Link's character design is back to the classic version. Didn't think they'd be doing that anytime soon. Initial impressions on the art style are "eh," but I haven't seen it in 3D yet.
Still, this is now my most anticipated 3DS game!
ClovingWestbrook
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Such a great troll in this thread. Bravo.
Dave Meltzer
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I was genuinely expecting the 3DS to be supported with games that look like Ocarina, Mario 3D Land, Resident Evil Revelations, not throw backs to SNES games. The system can do "console quality" experiences so it disappoints me to be playing games like NSMB2, Yoshi's Island 3DS, this 2D Zelda, etc. I don't understand why everything has to be the cheap, easy to produce route.
cartman414
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I don't understand why LttP alone has to be held up as a high 2d series standard. We not only had Link's Awakening, but also just came off of the Oracles, which made some pretty sweet advancements/additions.
No offense, but it's viewpoints like these that are all wrong with the 3d generation. There are massive gameplay differences between 2d games and their 3d counterparts.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Games like Mario Galaxy and yes, Skyward Sword more than demonstrate EAD can make 3D games just fine when it comes to modeling, animation, art direction, etc.
And frankly, Nintendo is not in the "let's make graphic whores drool" game. They are in fact one who will show games very early in development, when they're rough, ugly, and crude, without shame. They're more interested in ideas than anything else.
So I really kind of doubt they were trying to blow minds with the WW HD experimentation images. They showed them for the reason stated: to give an idea of what they might be trying, and it wasn't even anything remotely finalized.
PixyJunket
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Awesome. Totally awesome.
That's just not true, they're very careful to not announce stuff too early these days.
Dave Meltzer
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If the big Zelda title for Wii U was unvailed to be a 2D game, there would be outrage. I don't hold handhelds to a lower standard where I accept the concept that these are going to be simpler games. I did with the DS for obvious reasons. But Kid Icarus looked good. Star Fox looked good. A new, 3D Zelda for 3DS could look amazing. A 2D game like this should be an eShop download.
In your opinion.
Inherently subjective statement doesn't need additional baggage for babies.
That you wouldn't buy.
EmCeeGramr
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If there was an HD 2D Zelda for Wii U people would probably dance in the streets.
brandonh83
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Keep on racking up those sensible posts you got going on here.
cartman414
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We have enough 3D games, it was time to get some 2D games.
Also, simpler games? lol
flintstryker
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Wai..what 2d Zeldas are just as awesome as the 3d ones, I personally would not mind if they were to announce a 2d Zelda for the Wii u I have no idea why you seem to think 3d is better by default.
ClovingWestbrook
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For Zelda and Mario games 2D >>>> 3D every single time for me. From SNES/N64 on I have enjoyed 2D Zelda and Mario significantly more than 3D. Many of us have been waiting decades for ALttP sequel. Screw the 3D.
I don't understand this viewpoint that 2D is inherently cheaper or less valuable on the marketplace than 3D. I'm glad Nintendo and other devs disagree with this.
Also, if there were a 2D Zelda on Wii U, it'd be the first console Zelda I'd finish since N64.
2D > 3D
FUCK YES LTTP2!
... So 2D games aren't worth retail releases anymore? Is that really what you're implying? Cause if so, that's really stupid.
brandonh83
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I don't see why it matters anyway. He's trying to downplay this entire game because of its perspective. 2D, 3D, it should serve the gameplay and vision of the developers, whatever it is. It doesn't make the title "lesser." I mean, it's a Zelda game. It's going to have a very satisfactory amount of content.
Dave Meltzer
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Not at the same price I'd pay for a 3D game.
I respect the right of 2D games to exist, but personally they're just not acceptable to me as marquee titles anymore. If I'm in the minority, so be it.
ClovingWestbrook
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I don't understand this viewpoint that 2D is inherently cheaper or less valuable on the marketplace than 3D. I'm glad Nintendo and other devs disagree with this.
Also, if there were a 2D Zelda on Wii U, it'd be the first console Zelda I'd finish since N64.
2D > 3D
FUCK YES LTTP2!
The Last Zelda I finished was LttP. Wind Waker is the Zelda post LttP I have come closest to finishing.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
They're (mostly) careful not to announce stuff before they can deliver it within a year or so - but they will show prototypes, works in progress, and things subject to change.
GhostTrick
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Looks really good. The problem IMO is the trailer is so short we only saw two environnements.
How about a top-down Zelda with an impressive art-style that actually tried to push the hardware?
This game looks bland both on an artistic and a technical level imo.
Because the camera is at the top man, they didn't even bother to move it from the default angle in their engine.
Fucking cheap as fuck.
So you would buy a 8 hour 3D game instead of a 30+ hour 2d game for the same price? That's weird.
If you actually sold your 3ds because of this announcement, I sincerelly think that you are a lousy buyer. There's still a lot of games in the library on the 3ds that provides a "console experience"... and the library is still growing.
If you bought a console exclusively to play ONE game... you have no reason at all to buy the console before the game exist.
on a side note; NES, GB, N64, GC, Wii, GBA and DS had more than one zelda in their libraries, 3DS is still a young system with long life ahead.
XANDER CAGE
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The art reminds me of the original Zelda's manual art. I dig it.
peanutbutterlatte
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You're not wrong. If a 3D and 2D Wii U Zelda game released on the same day, the 3D version would destroy the 2D in sales. There are a lot of people who love 2D Zelda, but I cannot imagine them being anything more than the vocal minority.
Wow. I don't understand why you seem to think 2D games are somehow worth less than 3D ones, it doesn't make any sort of sense. Can you elaborate?
Just like Mario, right? (Saying this, I don't know how well the 2D Zelda's sold)
Dave Meltzer
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I played Terraria for like, 30 hours, but I wouldn't expect it to cost the same as Skyward Sword, which I played for half that at best.
I just can't shake the feeling the reason this is 2D is because it's cheaper to make. I can't prove this is the reason, but it's how I feel about most the things Nintendo do nowadays.
WiiredShawn
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What are you talking about? It isn't a "2D" game. It's a 3D game with an overhead perspective. Why do you think that the perspective translates to "cheap, short, downloadable" game? Everything still has to be modeled, just like in any 3D game; the perspective is an aesthetic choice, likely done to see if the style and LttP's heritage will carry weight with new and old fans alike. Maybe it won't - chances are there will be a MM remake in 2014-2015 if that's what you're looking for, instead.
Were you angry when PH and ST were revealed? Did you think, "this bullshit is unacceptable and should only cost $10!"? That somehow a stylistic choice negates the hard work of a significant team of people? Come on, man.
Whether it's "cheaper" or not will depend on the scope, not the style. Part of the problem is that we've seen a little bit of the overworld and a single dungeon, neither of which have been situated in a larger context. There's no "unified" feeling yet to give the impression that this is a large project. That doesn't mean that it isn't significant, though.
peanutbutterlatte
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Well "feels" mean jack shit.
Gouty
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There will be. And it will look exactly like the 3DS one. And it will be out before the 3D entry.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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Retail or eShop?
It's Dave. *shrugs*
Good thing I wouldn't give a fuck about sales and just be like I CAN'T HOLD ALL THESE ZELDAS!
That is the most interesting part to me. Through the use of the new 3d layers, and 2d pictorial wall movement (assuming Nintendo applies these mechanics to the overworld as well) they create a functional method in remaking a 2d game into 3d. Keeping the normal 2d perspective would usually eliminate most functional advantages 3d would give you but thanks to these new 3d "gimmicks" Nintendo can design new 3d pockets in a familiar world. Instead of using the dark world to expand a previous held notion of space, they can now use these new 3d tricks.
I wonder what kind of story Nintendo is going to slap onto this game. Could be pretty trippy. The legend of the LTTP Link was written onto the walls of his old stomping grounds. You take control of the depiction of the legend and something something something dark side.
brandonh83
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It's 2D because it's a kind of successor to A Link to the Past which had a similar perspective. And I wouldn't even say the game is 2D, it's 3D but with an older school style angle. They're not doing it to be "cheap." Why don't you wait and see how well designed the actual game is before making kneejerk reactions on a sub-minute long trailer that barely showed any of the game? Zelda is known for supremely clever and intelligent level design, hell, that's the entire hallmark factor behind every single game in the series. The perspective doesn't change this. Just because they're not going to go bankrupt on this 3DS Zelda game doesn't mean they don't give a shit about it.
Anyway, don't worry, there are other companies out there spending appropriate amounts of money on textures and stuff but be sure to buy the DLC so they make some of it back.
You are mistaking 2d games for a 3d game with a top down perspective. If it was the same game only the camera was behind Link, would you pay more for it then ?
But the game is 3D...
And it's also in 3D thus doubly 3D.
I could direct your attention to that Mario 3D Land screenshot I posted earlier that had the camera in a similar position. Are you going to argue that the game suddenly goes 2D.
There's even parts of the Zelda trailer where the camera shifts to the traditional third person perspective so you can't even argue that overhead camera = 2D here if the camera isn't even fixed,
So, hypothetically, if Nintendo gave you the choice to buy a 2D zelda game or a 3D zelda game both made with the same funds, and the 2D one, being 2D having more content and being longer than the 3D one, you would still go for the 3D one?
equippedwithtowel
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Well thank fuck for that.
Plus this Zelda is as 2-D as FE9/10 or Civ 5, both of which are involved experiences which put most 3d games to shame.
What about Yoshi's Island 3?
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