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Kastrioti said:
It's hilarious, and predictable, seeing people trying to associate these guys as Russians and not Muslims.

As if these acts were done for glorious Mother Russia (most Chechens HATE Russia and want nothing to do with Russia) and not based on verses from the Quran.
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How about we describe the facts as they are? The brothers are ethnic Chechens who lived in Dagestan, Kyrgyzstan, and the United States, and who were raised Muslim.

It's like the fact that they're Muslim allows some people to reduce the relevant facts in the situation to that single piece of information, and that one fact is extrapolated to imply membership in some (which?) Islamist militant group.

I'd wager that the influence of radical Islam on the brothers in this case is analogous to the influence of the militia movement on Tim McVeigh.
 
Stumpokapow said:
It took 3 or 4 months to catch McVeigh, and he was only arrested on a routine road stop for a license plate violation; he voluntarily admitted to having a gun on him which he was booked for, and it was only like a week later in jail that he was identified as the suspect for the Murrah building bombing.

So comparatively this has moved quite quickly.
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This point makes me very curious why they decided to go and rob a 7-11. It seems like they were at least able to get their car back (the Mercedes), so why rob a 7-11 and then go and kill a cop at MIT. I swear it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. They were setting themselves up to get caught or killed (glad they were found so quickly), but McVeigh slipped up on a minor infraction.
 
Skiesofwonder said:
Yes. I admit I am rather ignorant on the subject but I was always interested in how that works.




I wasn't aware it was decriminalized in MA. But how far does that rule extend? Admitting that you smoked a blunt (illegal in most states) on national television is ok, but what about other, more severe illegal actions?
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As far as I know, without any other evidence available, the only thing you can be accused of just for saying something is like, libel, threats of violence, etc. Free speech is free speech. It can lead to probable cause, but not actual arrests. So if you say you murdered someone on national T.V., you can't get a guilty sentence just for that (unless you said it under oath)--but it will probably be enough to get a court to grant a warrant to the police to look for evidence, and it will certainly be used as evidence in any ensuing court case.
 
“I will never believe my boys could have done such a terrible thing,” he said in a telephone interview from Makhachkala, the capital of the Dagestan region. “I have no doubt they were set up.”

“My older son is killed and now they are after my little boy,” he said. “It is a provocation of the special services who went after them because my sons are Muslims and don’t have anyone in America to protect them.”
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That is some strong delusional state of denial the dad is in... why are the special services targeting his sons and not every other Muslim in the US?

Sho_Nuff82 said:
Just saw an alleged picture of suspect 1 on the coroner's table, gross stuff.
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Link?
 
alr1ght said:
Rehosted the pics from Tamerlan's boxing article
http://minus.com/mvJ2tAmqcUjuQ

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The fuck? I trained there for a summer a few years back. Don't recognize the guy though
 
Winterfang said:
Some people just hate America and all that it represents. I'm sad that this great country receive them with open arms and they just cause harm and death to the locals.

One quick question, The suspect had a weird name, where is he from? I though he was Greek at first but I can't figure out the race of suspect though. He looks Israeli and the suspect one slightly Indian or Arab. But they seemed mixed enough that I can't tell for sure.
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This is quite dumb. I never have and never will condone terrorism but people don't just commit terrorist acts JUST CAUSE or because they don't like a certain lifestyle. There are some deep rooted seeds from foreign policies that have hurt a large group of people and continue to do so. No it's not America's fault or payback or justified. But these acts don't just happen.

The "THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMZ!" line is so old, defeated, and honestly naive that I can't believe people still cling to it.
 
There are a lot of essential rights that can not be exercised by a dead person. The criminal act itself can be a subject of a trial (for example a civil suit against the estate or a defamation suit by the estate) and the court can establish whether the act took place, but it can not establish and assign guilt.
 
Hindle said:
It's astounding how pretty much every country has a problem with Islamic extremism. As for the topic, more profiling needs to be done. The attacks are likely to come from lone wolfs from now on, so it would help.
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this is just dumb. Also kinda simplifying the issue boiling the Chechen conflict down to Islamic Extremism
 
xbhaskarx said:
That is some strong delusional state of denial the dad is in... why are the special services targeting his sons and not every other Muslim in the US?
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Eh, if it's something completely against what you believe your family is capable of, I understand denial until more of the evidence comes out.
 
Apparently they lost Suspect 2 on foot late last night. That's where they really fucked up to be honest.

Don't even know how that's possible with the scale of enforcement that was after him.

Oh well, they'll get him eventually.
 
Eric WK said:
No. There are two Hondas.

This billboard is now being displayed in Columbus, OH:

https://twitter.com/10TV/status/325307553913401347/photo/1
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Wonder if that's on a Clearchannel billboard on the east side of town near me..

Seems like not a ton is going on. He's probably hanging out in a park now or something as remote as he can be. Everyone knows who he is now, he can't be around people without them calling the authorities.
 
Can someone fill me in on the CNN deal? Did they claim someone else was a suspect and put up his info or something? That's the vibe I'm getting from the onion article.
 
Tamanon said:
Eh, if it's something completely against what you believe your family is capable of, I understand denial until more of the evidence comes out.
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Especially if you are sitting half way across the world, probably getting misinformation, and completely cut off from talking to your own sons.
 
speculawyer said:
Let's not be obtuse here. Saying that some people have interpreted their Muslim faith to attack the USA is not an untrue statement.


You can say that's not 'real Islam' or they are just a small minority or whatever. But you can't deny there has been some people driven to violence by their interpretation of their faith.
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I'm sure that happens but it is not why most so-called Islamic terror happens. Overwhelmingly, it's poltical.
 
speculawyer said:
Let's not be obtuse here. Saying that some people have interpreted their Muslim faith to attack the USA is not an untrue statement.


You can say that's not 'real Islam' or they are just a small minority or whatever. But you can't deny there has been some people driven to violence by their interpretation of their faith.
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Go on. Tell me, why do you think Muslims are engaged in terrorism? What is radical Islam in this context?
 
Channel 7 was showing the Swat team mobilizing towards a house with gun drawn, but then were told they had to cut away.. Likely nothing though, but still noteworthy.
 
Sharp said:
As far as I know, without any other evidence available, the only thing you can be accused of just for saying something is like, libel, threats of violence, etc. Free speech is free speech. It can lead to probable cause, but not actual arrests. So if you say you murdered someone on national T.V., you can't get a guilty sentence just for that (unless you said it under oath)--but it will probably be enough to get a court to grant a warrant to the police to look for evidence, and it will certainly be used as evidence in any ensuing court case.
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An ok that makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up (and to other as well who responded). Didn't mean to derail the thread.
 
Vire said:
They are probably confusing armored vehicle with tank.

And yes there were armored vehicles on the scene with MG gunners.
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I don't want to sound disrespectfull, but someone over there is overcompensating.
I guess at this point every law enforcement division is using this as an excuse to dust off their heavy duty equipment.

Still, as long as no one else has to die today, let them use whatever they want.
 
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