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[Ashodin]

Because they ask, and people consent. How the hell are people still asking this

Also invoking hot pursuit, since the suspect is still at large

"the Court has recognized two specific conditions that justify warrantless searches under the rule of hot pursuit:

the need to circumvent the destruction of evidence, and the need to prevent the loss of life or serious injury."

The second one applies for sure, and the first could be in case the suspect has left behind evidence such as a bomb

 

[alr1ght]

Suppose he somehow fled the vicinity. How long would it take (purely hypothetical of course) till they can acknowledge that they can't find him in Watertown and perhaps the entire Boston? And what would be the next step?

Probably after they complete the sweep of the perimeter they set up. They were "70%" done a few hours ago.

The sun sets in a few hours.

 

[J-Rzez]

Wow, how the hell are these forced home searches legal?

Seriously? Don't you understand the situation at hand here? There is a terrorist at large that has cause mass bloodshed and death, and can cause even further. Imagine someone saying "no, you cannot enter my house" in this situation. They could be harboring this person, he could have them held up hostage.

 

[| Praxis |]

I'm really surprised that people in this thread have never heard of Chechnya. A lot of shocking shit goes on over there between them and the Russians.

 

[ink4n3]

Well I meant more due to the sheer amount of glass in an urban setting playing havok with details but I suppose you're talking more about tracking movements rather than searching for someone ducked out hiding.

Correct, you can't really see through glass with a FLIR camera.

 

[Phreaker]

https://twitter.com/J_tsar

Sick https://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/324268440082841600

 

[Eric WK]

Suppose he somehow fled the vicinity. How long would it take (purely hypothetical of course) till they can acknowledge that they can't find him in Watertown and perhaps the entire Boston? And what would be the next step?

Last update was that they were 70% through searching the perimeter they set. Assuming they didn't fuck it up and they don't find him when they finish over the next few hours, that means that he either a) escaped at some point between last night and today or b) entered the sewers or a tree or something and succumbed to any wounds he may have had.

Perhaps there's something I'm missing, but I have to think those are the only scenarios in play.

 

[Devolution]

Really, never heard of that organization before, that case it's almost 10 years old, I've live in the Caribbean my entire life.

Well I ask because that particular attack was worldwide news.

 

[Ace Harding]

Suppose he somehow fled the vicinity. How long would it take (purely hypothetical of course) till they can acknowledge that they can't find him in Watertown and perhaps the entire Boston? And what would be the next step?

I think it turns into the situation you had with the DC-area sniper. You put people on alert, tell them the best way to stay safe, ask for people to step forward with information. Let them go about their lives. Keep looking. I don't think you lock down an entire city.

 

[Kacho]

Any decent human being would co-operate with the law enforcement. Unless of course, you have something to hide.

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[MThanded]

So the mother and the father are both claiming it is a setup.

 

[SlowRevolution]

It's so weird reading these. We're fairly certain this is him, right? Hard to credit these relatively normal-sounding comments to a psychopath.

The "fake story" one is pretty surreal.

 

[Downhome]

If anyone refused a search right now then they are a fool. You would instantly become a person of interest at a time like this, or at least it would be thought that someone was holding YOU hostage. Don't make things like this harder on the authorities than they need to be.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

Are you implying that there was some kind of legitimate rationale and logic to their actions? If so, what is it? Or is it really that you dislike someone relegating anything down to monochrome "evil" or "good", including terrorism?

Terrorism is evil. Saying a human being himself is evil or insane carries a lot of gravitas. You don't have to be either to murder people.

 

[leatherhat]

Hanz?

Gruber maybe

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Would you really deny the cops to search your home if there was a suspected terrorist in the area? REALLY?

Right. Because you only wouldn't allow that if you got something to hide...

Any decent human being would co-operate with the law enforcement. Unless of course, you have something to hide.

Wow you are serious, right? Do you really don't see any problems with this kind of thinking/behavior?

 

[Phreaker]

So the mother and the father are both claiming it is a setup.

Good for Alex Jones I suppose?

 

[Winterfang]

Just watched the 9 minute video with be uncle answering questions. He is such a boss. Much respect to him for coming forward.

Any link? I want to see.

 

[ZanzibarBreeze]

As far as I'm concerned, when there's a terrorist running around armed with long guns and explosives, police can come and search my home all they want. It's really not a big deal -- I'm on their side; I'm helping them however I can. Boston PD at least.

 

[vagabondarts]

I appreciate that. One thing from last night though: I still want to know what's up with that crazy old guy leaning against the railing and smirking. What kind of person sits back and "takes in the view" at a time like that? Run, old man. Run.

He's checking out the girl in blue running for her life. Pretty twisted.

 

[Evlar]

They are really different situations, though.

The Unabomber killed only 3 people over several years. If the cops had had an inkling of who he was, they would have rushed to him but that didn't happen; his search and capture was a slow process because they didn't really know where the guy was. He had been stranged from his brother for years, who was the guy who gave the key clues for his capture.

The Atlanta bomber remained on the run for years and was captured by a regular officer by almost coincidence, cause, again, they didn't know who the bomber was.

It is silly to suggest that the law wouldn't have reacted if they knew either of these criminals were in the middle of a city, armed and desperate.

I am not arguing they would not have reacted. I am arguing they would not have reacted this way.

Since I keep getting asked to provide examples as way of proof, perhaps I should respond in kind: What analogous situation proves out that people should expect an entire US metro area to be locked down during a manhunt? When has this happened before?

 

[Ashodin]

I think it turns into the situation you had with the DC-area sniper. You put people on alert, tell them the best way to stay safe, ask for people to step forward with information. Let them go about their lives. Keep looking. I don't think you lock down an entire city.

I just wanna say Deja Vu and the other Kemco NES games rock, and you rock for having the name and avatar.

 

[MThanded]

They are claiming that the government was controlling every step he made. Yes not monitoring but controlling.

This is Alex Jones fodder. Perfect Alley-oops.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Also invoking hot pursuit, since the suspect is still at large

"the Court has recognized two specific conditions that justify warrantless searches under the rule of hot pursuit:

the need to circumvent the destruction of evidence, and the need to prevent the loss of life or serious injury."

The second one applies for sure, and the first could be in case the suspect has left behind evidence such as a bomb

Does Hot Pursuit apply when they are searching a thousand homes? I can see if a suspect ran into an apartment building or something, but apparently the cops have no idea where this guy is.

 

[zychi]

So the mother and the father are both claiming it is a setup.

They both live on the other side of the world, and there is clear video proof. The mother, on CNN right now, says he's been in contact with the FBI for "5, er 3, er 5, 3 years, and the FBI knew how he 'was'"

She's spitting bullshit on the phone.

 

[Nilaul]

Obviously Splinter Cell will be blamed for this. This kid has some stealth skills.

 

[whitehawk]

For those interested in donating some money for Jeff Baumans medical bills here's a link:

http://www.gofundme.com/BucksforBauman

For those who don't know he's the man who lost his legs and was apparently the first person to describe one of the terrorists to the FBI.

That's awesome that people donated. However I also saw a tweet that accurately describes the situation though.

https://twitter.com/fwong/status/325298497203097600

 

[Winterfang]

So the mother and the father are both claiming it is a setup.

He seemed like a normal kid, this must be a huge shock for them.

 

[maquiladora]

So the mother and the father are both claiming it is a setup.

Isn't it natural, to protect the ones you love? And if this was done without their knowledge they are bound to be in denial.

 

[t-ramp]

The "fake story" one is pretty surreal.

Yeah, that's fucking crazy.

 

[ZanzibarBreeze]

So the mother and the father are both claiming it is a setup.

"Our family has never been armed," was my favorite. Apart from when they were lobbing bombs at the police.

I certainly understand their grief and their shock, though.

 

[dallow_bg]

So the mother and the father are both claiming it is a setup.

And the Aunt.

I wonder where the two sisters are, and Suspect 1's wife and daughter.

 

[strobogo]

Just curious, did anyone listen to Alex Jones today? I listened to see how he could back track on blaming SEALS and a white dude as a patsy for 2 days. Instead, he doubled down on false flag stuff, criticized the media for saying SEALS could have been involved yesterday, even though HE spent 2 fucking days saying that he believed 110% they were involved, and actually spent most of the show talking about how he and Info Wars are being persecuted. I mean, yeah, he's crazy, but he's actually making this whole thing to be more about him, even going so far as to say things like "people die all the time, why is it only a big deal when someone gets shot or blown up? Why am I bad for being right?"

He barely even covered the events of the over night, but every now and then he'd say it is possible that these two were totally legit terrorists, after spending 3 days in full on FALSE FLAG I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THE NEW WORLD ORDER SCUM HAVE BEEN OUTED!!! shit. Not that I expect a lot out of him, but he was pretty shameless even for him.

 

[KHarvey16]

I am not arguing they would not have reacted. I am arguing they would not have reacted this way.

Since I keep getting asked to provide examples as way of proof, perhaps I should respond in kind: What analogous situation proves out that people should expect an entire US metro area to be locked down during a manhunt? When has this happened before?

The response to a situation that has never happened before has never happened before.

 

[dc89]

Wow you are serious, right?

Why wouldn't you co-operate with them? I know I would.

 

[Ashodin]

Does Hot Pursuit apply when they are searching a thousand homes? I can see if a suspect ran into an apartment building or something, but apparently the cops have no idea where this guy is.

I imagine most everyone is co-operating beforehand anyway, but if the cops believe a suspect is escaping through a house or on the other side of a house, they can bust through it to get to him quicker.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Right. Because you only wouldn't allow that if you got something to hide...



Wow you are serious, right?

It's amazing how people will curtail their own civil liberties so easily. I mean yeah it is the 'right' thing to do, but you should have the ability to deny entry without any repercussions.

 

[Hawkian]

I don't remember media coverage like this after any of these events. It's like America has been waiting for a 9-11 part two, and this little ounce of it has people foaming at the mouth. It's a serious situation, I know, but the mass amount of attention to this is getting ridiculous.

Hell there's a bigger situation in West, Texas going on right now, people are still missing, yet no one gives a fuck. They prefer this live Hollywood movie instead.

The Oklahoma City bombing was one of the largest and most highly publicized criminal events in history. The followup investigation was literally the largest criminal investigation at history. Even so, in that case no manhunt took place.

The explosion in West Texas is not a bigger situation. It was a tragic event due to either negligence or random chance, and resulted in more deaths, but no active nor potential threat remains, nor does law enforcement suspect foul play.

The bombing at the marathon was an intentional act of terror and one of the perpetrators killed a cop following the initial event, and is still at large. The amount of attention this is getting has quite a lot to do with that.

I just wanted you to know that you were very wrong about the things you posted.

 

[Ace Harding]

I just wanna say Deja Vu and the other Kemco NES games rock, and you rock for having the name and avatar.

Thanks - High five! Loved that game. To me as a young kid it felt like an open world game.

 

[smokeymicpot]

The "fake story" one is pretty surreal.

That is pretty crazy. Plus that really is a fake story,

 

[LyleLanley]

Sick https://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/324268440082841600

I found this one weird because as far as I know it actually is a fake story.

 

[MIMIC]

He seemed like a normal kid, this must be a huge shock for them.

He seems like a normal kid to EVERYONE (his friends and people who knew him).

Learning more and more about this guy, I'm thinking "What the hell happened to make this guy do something like this."

Adam Lanza and the like seemed like ticking time bombs. THIS guy? Very different.

 

[Skellig Gra]

If anyone refused a search right now then they are a fool. You would instantly become a person of interest at a time like this, or at least it would be thought that someone was holding YOU hostage. Don't make things like this harder on the authorities than they need to be.

Seriously man? We do have constitutional rights even if we choose to use them to our own detriment. Just playing devils advocate here.

 

[Winterfang]

And the Aunt.

I wonder where the two sisters are, and Suspect 1's wife and daughter.

Wife and Daughter? OH man, I just can't grasp why he did it. He had good looks and the people around him seemed to care about him, not to mention he had a family.

Extremism is sad.

 

[BloodMoney]

Wow, how the hell are these forced home searches legal?

who gives a fuck.

your telling me, you'd tell the swat team to fuck off?

I can see it now:
Swat: "Sir/Lady we need to search your house"
You: "No, you can't search my house. I don't want to aid in the search of a murder/terrorist because i have rights, and you must respect them!!!!! AMERICURRRRR!!!"

 

[zychi]

People bitching about the home searches, you realize a bombs blew up in their town and killed people they probably knew? At the very least a bomb going off a few miles from your house wouldn't scare you?

Why wouldn't you comply to find the people who are bombing your city?

No common sense in this thread whatsoever. It's not like their searching these people's houses looking for drugs or illegal things. They want this dude.

 

[Evlar]

The response to a situation that has never happened before has never happened before.

Then why are you so completely certain this is the right response? Why did you call me ignorant for not agreeing? What exactly am I ignorant of?

 

[mightynine]

Just curious, did anyone listen to Alex Jones today? I listened to see how he could back track on blaming SEALS and a white dude as a patsy for 2 days. Instead, he doubled down on false flag stuff, criticized the media for saying SEALS could have been involved yesterday, even though HE spent 2 fucking days saying that he believed 110% they were involved, and actually spent most of the show talking about how he and Info Wars are being persecuted. I mean, yeah, he's crazy, but he's actually making this whole thing to be more about him, even going so far as to say things like "people die all the time, why is it only a big deal when someone gets shot or blown up? Why am I bad for being right?"

He barely even covered the events of the over night, but every now and then he'd say it is possible that these two were totally legit terrorists, after spending 3 days in full on FALSE FLAG I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THE NEW WORLD ORDER SCUM HAVE BEEN OUTED!!! shit. Not that I expect a lot out of him, but he was pretty shameless even for him.

Stro, you watched the end of WCW. You've done enough, you don't have to listen to Alex Jones.

 

[Hawkian]

It's amazing how people will curtail their own civil liberties so easily. I mean yeah it is the 'right' thing to do, but you should have the ability to deny entry without any repercussions.

Where did we confirm that this is not the case?

 

[jmdajr]

Lots of talk about being wounded and possibly dead.

All theories, but they keep talking about a supposed blood trail.