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[freenudemacusers]

So much misunderstanding about Miranda on the news. It's a non-issue right now. Guy is wounded. You can be placed in investigative custody/detained. They probably don't even know what the charges are right now that they are going to arrest him on. Guy has to be taken to the hospital to be treated. You don't have to read him Miranda until he's under arrest and start asking him questions. Even then if the guy is talking WITHOUT being asked any direct questions without being mirandized, you can still use those statements in court. They call them excited utterances or something and courts have held that they can still be used. Example: Guy shoots his wife. Cops show up. Before he can be placed under arrrest, he starts screaming "Oh, God, I shot my wife." He wasn't being questioned and he wasn't under arrest yet, but you can still use that statement.

I've seen enough CSI Miami to know this isn't true.

 

[Blader]

they pretty clearly are not going to read him his miranda rights so he doesn't get legal counsel and can be held without trial

Of course he's going to stand trial. They wouldn't have gone to such lengths to take him alive otherwise.

 

[JohnsonUT]

If he was having a normal Wednesday, it appears he wanted to go on with his life. Why did he not even attempt to hide face at all when dropping the backpack? Did they not realize how many cameras there are in this world?

 

[alr1ght]

They're playing the boat shootout on wcvb now. Wow. Lots of firing.
http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon

 

[KHarvey16]

they pretty clearly are not going to read him his miranda rights so he doesn't get legal counsel and can be held without trial

Lol, what?

 

[smokeymicpot]

Not gonna lie seems every old person does. Had to set up my neighbors router she still uses AOL. I was shocked.

 

[LiK]

I've been watching Fox News for the last few hours and I've seen very little coverage about this, if any at all. Please don't make things up.

Don't watch Fox News

 

[pulga]

There's no reason to celebrate over this. Four innocent people lost their lives.

Such a bundle of joy, arent you?

 

[flyover]

There is some new thing that was recently passed about "imminent threats" and how that relates to Miranda rights. I didn't really understand the explanation I just heard on MSNBC.

Here's some info on it, from a few years back:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...18970652119898.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

 

[GashPrex]

Nobody has to be read Miranda - not sure what people are talking about - only has to do with admissibility of the statements, nothing else. Its not an unconstitutional arrest or some shit

 

[lenovox1]

they pretty clearly are not going to read him his miranda rights so he doesn't get legal counsel and can be held without trial



i'll feel better if this turns out to be true

They can only invoke the public safety exemption for around 48 hours. The point of not reading him his Miranda rights was explained in that quote: They want to get additional intelligence about future incidents.

 

[Wishmaster92]

hmmm, not letting me post the images

 

[CHusson91]

Such a bundle of joy, arent you?

Excuse me?

 

[NathanMcMahon]

JFC... because they don't want him to get a lawyer i'm assuming

so fucking gross

 

[LadyRiven]

Is there a link to Obama's speech that just got done a few minutes ago? I missed it.

I missed it, too. Seconding this request.

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

This thread has been a crazy ride and it was a great experience. GAF OT never disappoints.

Agreed. I was so distracted at work today! I actually left my desk and went to another office that was not being occupied. Did not want to be seen paying attention to GAF + streams

*I got my work done, don't worry :lol

 

[inm8num2]

For some reason I can't find any footage of Obama's address.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

The American Left criticized Bush. In this case, I think it's fair to investigate the thing regarding the older brother and the FBI.

Yes, obviously the left criticizes the right, too. But it's patently incorrect if you think it's comparable at all

I'm not aware of the Democratic Party holding up nominations, holding hearings, and espousing the position that President Bush covered up the attacks on September 11 (as the right did with Obama and Benghazi). Sure, a few radicals like Cynthia McKinney but it wasn't a mainstream position and those that had those positions were quickly voted out.

False equivalency, what is this?

 

[Joel Was Right]

I'm really curious about White Hat guy's story. Everything you read about these two brothers indicate they were quite different in their attitudes and demeanour, with the older one being one of concern for the family.

I'm not yet convinced they are Jihadists.

 

[Officerrob]

they pretty clearly are not going to read him his miranda rights so he doesn't get legal counsel and can be held without trial

No, they will question him about other potential suspects and devices out there. He will then be read miranda and be given legal counsel if requested

 

[Parakeetman]

Of course he's going to stand trial. They wouldn't have gone to such lengths to take him alive otherwise.

Actually the reason for bringing him alive is to squeeze any sort of intel from him. The trial is just the dog & pony show for the public.

Call it blunt, but thats all what trials really are for these types of high profile cases.

 

[SapientWolf]

What is scary about this whole ordeal is that 2 kids caused 5 days worth of commotion in one of the largest cities in the United States. Imagine if there was a group of people like these 2 brothers that try to do something like this again, but in numbers. They can do some massive damage. I'm just glad this is over with and we get to find out what triggered these two guys.

I think that's the big concern right now, which is why they wanted to capture these guys alive for questioning.

 

[MThanded]

I feel shame.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

Can somebody confirm this?

I know #1 died last night and that #2 was in critical condition but its unclear if theyre both dead.

I messed up worse than CNN. #1 is dead yeah, no word on #2.

 

[RoKKeR]

This thread has been a crazy ride and it was a great experience. GAF OT never disappoints.

The fact that it all happened today is even more incredible.

 

[Byakuya769]

*sigh*

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/doj-official-no-miranda-rights-for-boston-bombing

Why are you sighing? These guys were using explosives and they could have more out there and accomplishes.

 

[LiK]

Embarrassing

I didn't even make it?

 

[Carnby]

If he pulls through he will spend the next 60 years in solitary confinement. For him it is a fate worse than death. For us it is a fete worse than death.

 

[gcubed]

Of course he's going to stand trial. They wouldn't have gone to such lengths to take him alive otherwise.

i didn't mean ever. They would normally have to get him in the first time within 24 hours no? I can see it being a little bit... delayed (besides for health reasons)

edit... to stop 20 requotes, thanks to previous posters for further info

 

[smokeymicpot]

I'm really curious about White Hat guy's story. Everything you read about these two brothers indicate they were quite different in their attitudes and demeanour, with the older one being one of concern for the family.

I'm not yet convinced they are Jihadists.

That is why I am happy he is still alive. I really wanna know his motive for it. His tweets show he is a normal guy plus those photos. Big bro had to say something to him.

 

[LyleLanley]

This has probably been posted already but whatever.

Let the uncle have at him first.

 

[Lord Panda]

How would you want everyone to react to this event?

How about like civilized people? Of course I'm a bit of an idealist but I believe we'll get there someday.

 

[Parakeetman]

I feel shame.

Considering its the weekend dont feel so bad lol

Wait almost the weekend anyways for those in the US.

 

[KingKong]

Im still laughing at the cop fence gif. So good

 

[cacophony]

Can someone tell me what the deal is with that 60-70 yr old man they had on the ground earlier? I went to sleep then

how is no one else wondering about this? He had a dead man trigger

 

[jdl]

Captured alive. Excellent work.

 

[pulga]

Excuse me?

People can't celebrate the bastard was caught?

Boston hasn't forgotten.

 

[Link]

How did he not? He was holed up, wounded, inside a boat, with a load of police surrounding him and still he was firing at them - he did everything but (thankfully) blow himself up

If someone fights to the end against a bunch of cops/agents, they aren't coming out alive.

 

[Tomat]

Im still laughing at the cop fence gif. So good

He should be promoted for giving us something to laugh at out of this whole thing.

 

[MIMIC]

I didn't even make it?

I happened to look at that last night. I was #2 for a good while.....and then I went to bed ^_^

 

[LyleLanley]

I didn't make the top 10? This is bullshit!

 

[TacticalFox88]

If he pulls through he will spend the next 60 years in solitary confinement. For him it is a fate worse than death. For us it is a fete worse than death.

He'll probably commit suicide somehow within five years, if not sooner. I doubt he sees his 25th birthday

 

[blackflag]

This thread has been a crazy ride and it was a great experience. GAF OT never disappoints.

Yep, has been crazy. I feel like I just watched a 20 hour movie.

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

I feel shame.

I feel left out kay:

Edit: Blame my job :lol

 

[Knoxcore]

I have to wonder if they were arrested, or brought in for questioning.



Wow. I really don't think they thought they would be caught.

I think they were thinking if they got up and left town, leaving school, job, family etc, it would arise suspicion. I think once they saw the FBI has some decent photos of the guys, they realized it was time to leave.

 

[MThanded]

how is no one else wondering about this? He had a dead man trigger

No he didn't. It was a misunderstanding I believe.

 

[btrboyev]

If he pulls through he will spend the next 60 years in solitary confinement. For him it is a fate worse than death. For us it is a fete worse than death.

Nah, he'll probably be sentenced to death.

 

[smokeymicpot]

He should be promoted for giving us something to laugh at out of this whole thing.

Fuck it give him a reporting job on CNN it will fit perfectly.

 

[grandjedi6]

If he was having a normal Wednesday, it appears he wanted to go on with his life. Why did he not even attempt to hide face at all when dropping the backpack? Did they not realize how many cameras there are in this world?

Probably not. its still a relatively new thing and its usage in manhunts has never publicly reached this level before.

 

[vilmer_]

I'm really curious about White Hat guy's story. Everything you read about these two brothers indicate they were quite different in their attitudes and demeanour, with the older one being one of concern for the family.

I'm not yet convinced they are Jihadists.

What I am convinced is, is that the older brother was a massive influence on White Hat's thoughts and actions. He had youtube links, message board posts, etc supporting a man who thought the actions of Jihad must be taken at all costs.