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[Loxley]

They can't enter and search your house whenever they want. They can ask and you can let them in, which is what happened.

Exactly. The cops were not kicking in doors, what is wrong with people?

Who in their right mind would say no under those circumstances? Even if I knew the guy wasn't in my house I'd still let the cops do their damn job because I'm not an asshole (and I'm not saying if you refused them that you would be). Hell the thought of them searching it would actually give me some extra feeling of security in a way. In fact, your probably giving the cops some peace of mind as well, helping them eliminate possible locations where a freaking domestic terrorist may be hiding.

Tell you what, when the people of Boston who had their residencies searched start to bitch about their constitutional rights being infringed upon in order to insure their safety, let me know. Because at the moment, they all seem to be pretty damn jolly with the way their law enforcement handled things. If they don't have a problem and don't feel as though they were violated in any way, then I don't either.

 

[marrec]

Agreed 100%, well put.

All I could see was a committed police force trying their very best to protect a community from a pair of lunatics, which they did. It's a shame that a section of society will always diminish this with their armchair philosophy.

Each and every one of these guys would've meekly opened the door for SWAT if they were living in that neighborhood, don't let their anonymous bravado convince you otherwise.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Each and every one of these guys would've meekly opened the door for SWAT if they were living in that neighborhood, don't let their anonymous bravado convince you otherwise.

I agree. I think it's just big talk after the fact. They would've opened the door with baked apple pie for the officers.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

You're one of those people eh?

I'm sure the interview you did with Alex Jones would make NATIONAL NEWS you fucking freedom fighter.

Is there really a need for that? He's basically doing the equivalent of someone refusing to show their papers during an immigration checkpoint.

No need to compare refusing to do that to the scum that is Alex Jones. Different people have different expectations of their private affairs...

 

[Bread]

My biases? I would not let a SWAT team enter my house under any circumstances whatsoever. But, like I said, I wouldn't have been given a choice. And, yes, that's a fucking problem.

Someone was interviewed by either CBS or NBC affiliates and stated that they had searched their house for the suspect and found nothing, so they denied the police entry. They were not given any trouble.

So why do you keep saying the bold?

 

[smokeandmirrors]

You mean the same founding documents that didn't account for treating African Americans or women as equals?

You know exactly what I mean, hence the word some. Don't be a smart ass.

 

[RyanDG]

Why?

After reading a book called Overkill, that highlighted the sheer number of botched and abusive military style raids in the US, I am not so sure if I would feel comfortable letting the SWAT into my home either. I get that to a lot of people this seems like no big deal, and I would happily allow them to search throughout my property (aside from inside the house), but I honestly do think that I would have to think long and hard before I let them inside my home. Of course, I probably would relent in the end (simply because of how high emotions were running, not relenting would probably just escalate the situation), but I can honestly understand how even those with nothing to hide would be incredibly apprehensive about just opening your doors to SWAT team members and giving them reign to search your home without a warrant.

 

[Officerrob]

Some of our laws and a decent chunk of the Bill of Rights were written and included certain things for a reason, and I sure as hell am not quite ready to throw them away as easily as some people are.

None of your rights would be thrown away in this instance

 

[NYCmetsfan]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

There was nothing unreasonable about what the cops were doing today

 

[ginger ninja]

if anything, internet can earn it's redemption by helping finding the family find sunil, put them detective skills to good use ffs

 

[empty vessel]

So if you were in Watertown MA yesterday you would have pissed and moaned about a warrant?

I would not have consented to let police into my house, no. They can take my word for it that the suspect is not there. Can they not?

 

[smokeandmirrors]

None of your rights would be thrown away in this instance

Again read what I had said previously. I am more pointing out the "you have nothing to hide" bullshit people were spouting as reasons why you have to allow police entry into houses is utter horse shit.

 

[marrec]

Is there really a need for that? He's basically doing the equivalent of someone refusing to show their papers during an immigration checkpoint.

No need to compare refusing to do that to the scum that is Alex Jones. Different people have different expectations of their private affairs...

Any expectation is shattered given extraordinary circumstances, if they cannot project themselves into a circumstance that allows them to willingly bring a SWAT team into their home then they're as bad as Alex Jones has ever been.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I would not have consented to let police into my house, no. They can take my word for it that the suspect is not there. Can they not?

Probably, though if they didn't it wouldn't be unreasonable to ignore you

 

[Officerrob]

Someone was interviewed by either CBS or NBC affiliates and stated that they had searched their house for the suspect and found nothing, so they denied the police entry. They were not given any trouble.

So why do you keep saying the bold?

Because in reality, the police could have justifiably searched anyways

 

[SenjutsuSage]

There was nothing unreasonable about what the cops were doing today

Fantastic point.

 

[Kad5]

I'm all about needing a warrant to search my property. But remember that consent plays a big role. I can see there being a scenario for me allowing police to search my house in this kind of case since there is a dangerous man on the loose. But in 99.99% of cases I would need the police to give show a warrant.

 

[empty vessel]

Probably, though if they didn't it wouldn't be unreasonable to ignore you

Yes it would. Eminently unreasonable and a straightforward violation of the 4th Amendment.

 

[stufte]

I wouldn't as i'm sure the cops where jacked on power and adrenalin. Especially the ones that only shot there guns once a year at police qualifying. I would record them coming to my home and violating my rights then after the fact sue them for it.

Jesus, wtf is wrong with you. Do you even know any police officers in real life?

 

[marrec]

I would not have consented to let police into my house, no. They can take my word for it that the suspect is not there. Can they not?

I'm astonished at the colossal waste of time you'd cause just to prove a point.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Any expectation is shattered given extraordinary circumstances, if they cannot project themselves into a circumstance that allows them to willingly bring a SWAT team into their home then they're as bad as Alex Jones has ever been.

Now you're just being obtuse and making huge jumps in logic that are, quite frankly, disingenuous

 

[Fahrenheit]

okay youre trolling then

Dude had weapons

Yeah cause a teenager with small arms so justifies a tank

What other reason would they have? A minor inconvenience is worth more than a person potentially getting access to my/neighbors premises and blowing shit up.

I know my example is extreme, I'm just trying to make a point. If its something that benefits us, we wouldn't think twice. I understand privacy, but you can't have it both ways. It's not like they're knocking door to door because they feel like it. There's a murderer outside your door. Burying your head in the sand serves no purpose in this situation.

I don't want it both ways, I want the cops to do there job without violating my rights

You're one of those people eh?

I'm sure the interview you did with Alex Jones would make NATIONAL NEWS you fucking freedom fighter.

I guess your done making valid remakes since you started name calling?

Stop calling it a fucking tank. It's an armored personnel carrier. There's no gun on it that'll simultaneously blow up your house and freedoms. It's for protection against small arms and explosives, both of which were used here.

Take a picture of it and show it to 100 people. I bet 99 of em would call it a tank. The police have no right to use our tax dollar to buy one

 

[devilhawk]

My biases? I would not let a SWAT team enter my house under any circumstances whatsoever. But, like I said, I wouldn't have been given a choice. And, yes, that's a fucking problem.

I agree. Despite being from KS, I am in Missouri right now. Half the houses they would have searched would contain meth labs.

Though I will say BPD is a model compared with LAPD.

 

[Risette]

Jesus, wtf is wrong with you. Do you even know any police officers in real life?

Maybe he lives in LA.

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

Any expectation is shattered given extraordinary circumstances, if they cannot project themselves into a circumstance that allows them to willingly bring a SWAT team into their home then they're as bad as Alex Jones has ever been.

Don't know how longer I can last lol.

Drunk

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Yes it would. Imminently unreasonable and a straightforward violation of the 4th Amendment.

How is it unreasonable. They have a suspect running around that area. They don't know if you are telling the truth or have checked every nook and cranny.

The 4th amendment isn't to protect your house and property absolutely, but rather from unreasonable searches that don't have a reason. There was a reason today

 

[Officerrob]

Yes it would. Eminently unreasonable and a straightforward violation of the 4th Amendment.

LOL, OK

 

[empty vessel]

LOL, OK

Is this an argument?

How is it unreasonable. They have a suspect running around that area. They don't know if you are telling the truth or have checked every nook and cranny.

The 4th amendment isn't to protect your house and property absolutely, but rather from unreasonable searches that don't have a reason. There was a reason today

Having a suspect running around in an area is not an exception to the 4th Amendment.

 

[marrec]

Now you're just being obtuse and making huge jumps in logic that are, quite frankly, disingenuous

Obtuse? They're claiming they'd deny police entry given the circumstances faced in Watertown yesterday. They've given the definition of Obtuse an entirely new entry in next years dictionary.

 

[vatstep]

As absolutely batshit-insane as the past 24 hours have been, I think one of the most astounding things to come out of it was the guy who saw the blood on the tarp, and THEN still went and looked into the boat. Holy shit — every time I imagine doing that, and seeing someone in there, it just makes me feel so unsettled.

 

[Catchpenny]

Can someone tell me how exigent circumstances would apply to a 20 block, 12 hour search with no visible detection of the fugitive they were looking for?

Personally I would let the officers into my home in this case, and have to question the judgement of those who would not. However, I do not see how exigent circumstances apply here.

 

[Officerrob]

Is this an argument?

Absolutely not, there is no need to waste my time

 

[Fahrenheit]

Any expectation is shattered given extraordinary circumstances, if they cannot project themselves into a circumstance that allows them to willingly bring a SWAT team into their home then they're as bad as Alex Jones has ever been.

I guess you where for locking up Japanese Americans during WW2 being they might have been spies

 

[olimpia84]

What's this stupidity about violation of rights I'm reading? Are these people for real or just trolling?

 

[Reven]

Yeah cause a teenager with small arms so justifies a tank

THERE WAS NEVER A TANK THERE. Swat can in APCs because some crazed ass had EXPLOSIVES.

 

[Game-Biz]

Wait.


There's actually people here bitching about the house searches? People saying they wouldn't have let the swat teams search their house in this situation today?

Must be trolls. Must be.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Obtuse? They're claiming they'd deny police entry given the circumstances faced in Watertown yesterday. They've given the definition of Obtuse an entirely new entry in next years dictionary.

And you're comparing people to a complete douche rag like Alex Jones because you don't agree with them.

 

[empty vessel]

Absolutely not, there is no need to waste my time

Agreed.

 

[marrec]

Don't know how longer I can last lol.

Drunk

Ya, I think I'm done, it was fun everyone.

EV, you're one of the smartest motherfuckers on GAF, but damnit if you aren't stubborn to a fault sometimes.

I guess you where for locking up Japanese Americans during WW2 being they might have been spies

:lol

 

[ginger ninja]

Again read what I had said previously. I am more pointing out the "you have nothing to hide" bullshit people were spouting as reasons why you have to allow police entry into houses is utter horse shit.

Perhaps we are not taking about the same thing but still..

how is that reasoning utter shit ? my family, being Muslims, are always taking about how they are or can be discriminated against..but personally i don't whine about it because i say to everyone "if you ain't done nothing wrong, you ain't have nothing to fear"..hence i am willing to be discriminated against because of origins or skin color a bit if it insures the safety of the general populace and advice my fellow "please don't be" club members..

 

[MIMIC]

As absolutely batshit-insane as the past 24 hours have been, I think one of the most astounding things to come out of it was the guy who saw the blood on the tarp, and THEN still went and looked into the boat. Holy shit — every time I imagine doing that, and seeing someone in there, it just makes me feel so unsettled.

This post made me think of "Life of Pi". lol

 

[Karl2177]

I would not have consented to let police into my house, no. They can take my word for it that the suspect is not there. Can they not?

So you would have known that the suspect snuck in through the back window and was waiting to kill you?

 

[KHarvey16]

THERE WAS NEVER A TANK THERE. Swat can in APCs because some crazed ass had EXPLOSIVES.

TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK

This whole 4th amendment discussion is moot without an example of someone refusing them entry and what their response to that was.

 

[ginger ninja]

some people taking first world problems to the next level in this thread

 

[SummitAve]

My biases? I would not let a SWAT team enter my house under any circumstances whatsoever. But, like I said, I wouldn't have been given a choice. And, yes, that's a fucking problem.

Me personally, I've got some pretty incriminating shit in my house, and would have let them enter my home for obvious superseding circumstances. I suppose I just have more faith in the humanity of those officers/feds to be reasonable.

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

Ya, I think I'm done, it was fun everyone.

EV, you're one of the smartest motherfuckers on GAF, but damnit if you aren't stubborn to a fault sometimes.

ha. Have a good night!

Gonna eat some seats and then pass out

 

[harmonize]

Jeez, I'm glad some of you don't live in the area affected, it would've made the job of finding an elusive, bomb-wielding sociopath even more difficult.

 

[marrec]

some people taking first world problems to the next level in this thread

Our constitution guarantees us the right to first world problems, get on our level yo.

 

[CharminUltra]

Are... are some people here REALLY bitching and moaning about the house searches?

I love love LOVE NeoGAF, but some posters here... I swear.

EDIT:

On the subject of the missing kid, I have to admit I believed he was one of the terrorists, now I feel like an asshole

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Wait.


There's actually people here bitching about the house searches? People saying they wouldn't have let the swat teams search there house in this situation today?

Must be trolls. Must be.

EV is not a troll.