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Boston: One dead, one captured, city re-opened
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That is pretty intense. Knowing the situation, that guy has balls of steel to go out and check like that.
I'm surprised he didn't get blasted. You'd think the kid would insanely jumpy and be listening for any movement.
Or maybe he was half asleep, exhausted from being on the run and from injury, and wasn't able to react. Either way, I wonder why he didn't try to leave the boat when he was discovered by the owners.
PeakPointMatrix
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It's okay, you're 19, rebellious, infowars, and fuck the police, and NWO, etc, etc. This phase will pass.
This really shows a level of stunted ability to function in a modern society. I'd be willing to bet you have a very hard time at life.
Officerrob
Banned
THAT is the frightening part
I think that's arguable.
They shut down a major city for a day, spent $300 million doing it, had hundreds of thousands of citizens cowering in their closets in response to one armed teenager, created a spectacle searching home to home for the kid (which by the way, didn't even work), and in the end it sort of sends the wrong message and creates the wrong incentives for future terrorists.
Please don't take too much offense to this, because I don't mean it as harshly as its about to sound. But the fact that you are willing to be discriminated against in order to provide some false sense of safety for others around you, is a significant issue and goes more towards the harm that this kind of conditioning is really causing Muslim Americans. No one should have to be discriminated against in order to prove they are not some kind of bogey man.
GoldenEye 007
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That's quite a fantastic conclusion to draw on someone that just believes their property should not be searched.
NYCmetsfan
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He's a lawyer if I recall. So arguing stuff like this is what he lives for.
The searches were not unreasonable (they were confined to watertown and a 20 block radius if I recall)
The actions in the rest of boston don't have anything to do with 4th amendment rights
timetokill
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Agreed.
Officerrob
Banned
Holy fuck, I'm out
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Deleted member 8095
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Fixed.
sans_pants
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Suppose all laws aren't created equal. And in helping find a terror suspect you expose yourself to charges?
empty vessel
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Ha. I know. I do feel like some push back is warranted, though. The 4th Amendment is already so shriveled that I'll make a stand wherever I can in its defense. I have no idea if there were 4th Amendment violations going on, but given how often the 4th Amendment is violated, I would hypothesize that there were plenty.
Also, while I might cooperate with police under certain circumstances, I do draw the line at SWAT. Paramilitary is a step too far for me.
Love it.
The house-to-house search was interesting when I was following this whole event unfold. It's hard to say what anyone would do in that situation, but most folks would probably give the ok regardless of how they truly felt (How often does a SWAT team greet you at the door with a armored vehicle right on the street with snipers all around?). However, I think mostly everyone would feel a bit at unease with it.
A few sites that were talking about this:
1) http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ertown_door_to_door_search_by_police_for.html
2) http://myfreedomfoundation.com/blog/liberty-live/detail/can-the-police-search-my-home-for-a-bomber
It'll be interesting as this will be discussed in the future. Not sure what really happened though as far as the searches go and whether it was voluntary or not. Isn't much concrete information out there on it aside ramblings/comments.
A few sites that were talking about this:
1) http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ertown_door_to_door_search_by_police_for.html
2) http://myfreedomfoundation.com/blog/liberty-live/detail/can-the-police-search-my-home-for-a-bomber
It'll be interesting as this will be discussed in the future. Not sure what really happened though as far as the searches go and whether it was voluntary or not. Isn't much concrete information out there on it aside ramblings/comments.
ChainedMaster
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Agreed. I personlly would allow them to search, but I'd understand why somebody else wouldn't.
While we are talking about rights, did this already get brought up?
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/boston-marathon-suspect-shot-dead/
I didn't even realize that they had a public safety exception for Miranda. Anyone know if that public safety exception for Miranda rights have been tested in court?
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/boston-marathon-suspect-shot-dead/
I didn't even realize that they had a public safety exception for Miranda. Anyone know if that public safety exception for Miranda rights have been tested in court?
You mean tank, we prefer to use proper nomenclature in this thread.
Yes it did. Why do you think he was where he was? The sweep turned up blood he had left behind in a backyard that he was forced to leave because of the sweep. He fled to hide under the cover on a boat a block away from the area of Watertown they searched, where he was found by a citizen the police had cautioned to be vigilant.
GoldenEye 007
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Yeah in a circumstance like this, I'd let them. Probably with just a make it quick and good luck at the end.
I followed this story fairly closely, but I don't remember seeing a treaded vehicle anywhere...ya know for the sake of proper nomenclature.
I present to you Fahrenheit's absolute proof that there was indeed a tank.
Nor anything with a mounted cannon.
Fahrenheit
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So you ran out of things to say and have resorted to the edgy teenager argument. It's ok its hard to argue and not resort to such things. And for the record i'll never grow out of NWO, that shit is off the chain.
Also i'm 28 and don't even live in the same state as my folks.
NYCmetsfan
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They have though the current use of the rule has not.
"One armed teenager" who may have had explosives. They didn't know for sure, but don't you think it was worth extra time and money to go the extra mile to make sure people were safe; to make sure that they got the guy?
Fahrenheit
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Not gonna buy into the framed bit but would like to point out that a lot of our tax money got wasted for this/
Why are you still crying about the word tank, i already said it was hyperbole. tank/apc whatever. The police shouldn't have spent our money on it. Not like we are in a economic slow down or anything
NYCmetsfan
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Fahrenheit
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Yup wasted, tax money shouldn't be spent on tanks err I mean APC for the city PD being im sure the text books in the city schools are about 10 years out of date.
smokeandmirrors
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Because it's a flimsy excuse to peer into your life (and I'm speaking in general about the you have nothing to hide idea).
Everyone has something to hide. You should have a reason to expect a decent amount of privacy. How would you feel if a significant other demanded to see your phone or email or computer everyday because they want to see it and "if you have nothing to hide then you should be ok with it"? Or the police coming up to you and saying "Let me see your phone. I think you may be dealing drugs. If you're not and have nothing to hide, then it will be over quickly"?
Or how about "You're brown, let me in to your home so I can make sure you're not planning on blowing things up. It shouldn't be a big deal if you have nothing to hide..."?
Fuck off, don't say "our" when you talk like it's only YOUR tax money.
Read the article. It's not about how the dudes were framed but why his family thinks they were (due to their background being oppressed by the Russians in their home country)
stufte
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It's not like they said "SWEET! Terrorist on the loose, we finally have a reason to go out and buy that APC
Tank
They've probably had it for years.
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Yeah so framed that the Russian government contacted the FBI in 2011 saying the older brother had links to people on a terrorist watch list or something like that.
Next up: Tiny aliens in Pakistan
And no tax money was wasted. Consider it a stimulus if it bothers you
blame space
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seriously?
Lazy vs Crazy
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If you actually read the article it doesn't say that over $300 million was spent. It says one economist thinks that $300 million of economic productivity was lost by the city being shut down.
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Lost Fragment
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Sooooo is there even any evidence that the popo searched houses without permission of the owners, or are we having this argument over hypotheticals?
If tax dollars shouldn't be used hunting down armed and dangerous terrorists, then I don't know how you can justify spending tax dollars on anything.
If tax dollars shouldn't be used hunting down armed and dangerous terrorists, then I don't know how you can justify spending tax dollars on anything.
In a thread with many dumb things, this is the dumbest. You wanna run your little "ask 100 people" theoretical bullshit poll on that claim? "Hello Boston resident, do you believe the money spent to capture the guys who killed 4 people, maimed over 200 and left the city with a vast sense of unease for days was wasted?"
Fahrenheit
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