stufte
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Is it bad that rednecks self identify as rednecks?
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Boston: One dead, one captured, city re-opened
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Is it bad that rednecks self identify as rednecks?
Atramental
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what about your obligations?
rigths without obligations is not possible in a civilized society
outunderthestars
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The problem is that you continue to change your argument whenever someone presents evidence or an argument that falls outside of your Ron Paul talking points.
You mentioned that the police have no right to search a house without a warrant. Then it was pointed out that they are allowed in emergencies/exigent circumstances in order to protect the public at large.
Then you claimed that the purchase of APC's must lead to poor schools, and that was proven incorrect.
Then you claim that the police action presented a sense of "false security" yet when confronted about it you chose to circle back around to your "original argument"
Debating this matter is tiresome.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Considering that civilian casualties have been pretty low over the course of events over the past day (I actually haven't heard of a single person harmed that wasn't on the police force), I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove. Seems like Boston handled this pretty well to me, all things considered.
Fahrenheit
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I mean sure I was trolling a bit with some of the stuff I said but lord I got dog piled for saying if it happened its a real bad precedent. Plus i', typing this out on my phone. Shits hard.
Sure they can, much a way a black man can call himself a N word. In both cases its still self defalting
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Deleted member 1235
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I don't believe they took this guy alive. incredible, especially after watching the vid of the sound of the gunfire exchange with the boat, respect to the guy that actually went up and retrieved that dude.
I really hope he doesn't die from his injuries. Trial will be interesting.
I really hope he doesn't die from his injuries. Trial will be interesting.
Its also the fact a shooting happened a few hours south, 9/11 shut nyc and the entire country down for a day, and that the JUST HAD A BOMB BLOW UP RESIDENTS a few miles away
No, you said it was a bad 'president.'
Shogmaster
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Tell that first to all the rednecks that proudly use it to make money. As soon as they stop, we'll stop.
stufte
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Law enforcement officer went and bought milk for someone's baby since they couldn't leave due to the lockdown.
I HOPE HE HAS A WARRANT FOR THOSE!!!
Shit man, he better not knock on that door, the person there might go nuts and yell at him for destroying their rights lol. Goddamn police are all terrible people who arent from these neighbordhoods!
Law enforcement officer went and bought milk for someone's baby since they couldn't leave due to the lockdown.
sneakypete
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For the lolz? You were trying to troll then? I don't understand
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
It has positive roots, actually. It was originally used to denote coal mine strikers who wore red bandanas, if I'm not mistaken.
(grew up in WV)
Not so hot on freedom of speech?
Some people here seem to eager to only accept those pieces of a working society which directly benefit them and if those precious tax dollars are used to someone else's benefit, well fuck them... I got mine. Whining about the apc is inane as it's practically a huge bulletproof vest in these situations. Should the police not have that? Should they not have actual bulletproof vests or helmets either, or is that too much spending? Should they go with sharp sticks instead of state-paid guns?
And complaining about police asking to search the houses in a situation like this... jesus. How selfish.
darkazcura
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First of all NYC left people in panic mode for years after the fact for obvious reasons and completely changed the way security is handled in every single possible manner. How could you say people in Boston were more scared or more effected?
To be honest, I wasn't that scared. I mainly sounded angry because of the stance and overall poor attitude you took at me mentioning celebrating the end of this (which you still haven't acknowledged). I exaggerated my "state of fear" because I couldn't believe someone would have the gall to question and even put down a Bostonian for celebrating the end of this. What happened here may have not been as large and sophisticated as NYC or OKC but it was unique. It was a couple guys playing real life GTA in the middle of the suburbs. People in Watertown and Cambridge were properly scared (if you can be properly scared
whatever that means..) like I said earlier, people at my campus were outside playing frisbee, baseball, tennis, etc. it wasn't a complete state of fear in Bosfon.Btw no one here was that scared after Marathon Monday. We had our stay strong Boston moments and times of togetherness, but everything was business as usual Tuesday morning. It was the fact that they did come back that sent people in panic. Like you mentioned, NYC and OKC had more potential for extra attacks on the way, but as we know now...extra attacks never came. Extra (possible) attacks came here and only a few days later.
I'm kind of rambling and not organized because I'm on my ipad and can't really edit these posts well.
I don't know man, neither 9/11 or OKC had crazy gun fights going on in the streets. The city wasn't cowering (from what I saw, I'm not there) between Tuesday and Thursday. The authorities asked everyone to stay off the streets on Friday which is understandable.
Fahrenheit
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Oh i;m sure there is bylaws in place for ignoring the 4th amendment, doesnt make it right. And I never claimed that APCs lead to poor schools, your putting words in my mouth to make me look silly. And yes I did say police going door to door in a fucking tank is false security and stand by it
Law enforcement officer went and bought milk for someone's baby since they couldn't leave due to the lockdown.
Shit. I'm sure he's breaching SOMEONE'S rights.
Liberty4all
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Actually something similar happened in Quebec.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis
It was a terrible thing and showed how fragile civil liberties truly are. Which is why it is so important to question when they are being put aside.
Edit: also the personal attacks are not appreciated
revolverjgw
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Law enforcement officer went and bought milk for someone's baby since they couldn't leave due to the lockdown.
He's the nicest yet meanest looking guy ever
You should see a therapist for your bouts of irrational fear then. 99.9% of Boston's population (including commuters) were never in any serious danger. It's irrational to get worried, less 'scared shitless', over events that never actually posed any real danger.
It's the equivalent of getting 'scared shitless' in the weeks and months post 9/11 if you did not work in a high value target. Risk wise, you or that person, should be more wary of getting killed in a car accident or hit by lightning.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
For anyone who is interested, here are some interesting blog posts about the search question and the Miranda question:
Tsarnaev and Miranda Rights
House-to-House Searches and the Fourth Amendment
That first post contains more analysis than the second. Notably, even though Miranda-less interrogations may lead to statements being excluded from evidence in a criminal case, apparently any other (physical) evidence obtained as a result of those statements is admissible. The blog post cites a 2004 Supreme Court case to support that proposition, which just goes to show that conservative Supreme Court justices and constitutional criminal law don't mix.
Tsarnaev and Miranda Rights
House-to-House Searches and the Fourth Amendment
That first post contains more analysis than the second. Notably, even though Miranda-less interrogations may lead to statements being excluded from evidence in a criminal case, apparently any other (physical) evidence obtained as a result of those statements is admissible. The blog post cites a 2004 Supreme Court case to support that proposition, which just goes to show that conservative Supreme Court justices and constitutional criminal law don't mix.
Really? Posting links to reddit submissions making light of a terrible tragedy in order to get karma?
Fahrenheit
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The only thing i regret posting is my phone auto correcting precedent
outunderthestars
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This did not set a precedent. The US court system has long held that door to door warrantless searches are legal in times of emergency or when other exigent circumstances exist. The tactics used by police have been used on numerous occasions such as prison escapes, child abductions, etc.
An armed mass murderer with explosives would clearly fall under "emergency"
No rights are absolute. They have to be measured against the greater good of those around you.
Puppet Shadow
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Well, he was sent out to get chocolate milk.
Those damn Canadians just fell into a police controlled state after that and lost all of their rights. Its a good thing you were there and were able to question them allowing police to step on their "civil liberties"
M_A_C
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Law enforcement officer went and bought milk for someone's baby since they couldn't leave due to the lockdown.
No thats lighter fluid from when they were going to burn the suspect out.
cool of the cop
SenjutsuSage
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You know, I really wonder about people, on what's suppose to be a real night of celebration because there's a chance that those innocent people that suffered at the hands of these assholes will have justice, and we are seriously arguing over what is one of the finest ever displays in our country's history of the police and law enforcement, both at the local and federal level, and average, everyday people coming together and cooperating and working as a team to make sure the people who attacked us were not allowed to get away with it? No rights were violated here, there was nothing about how this was handled that should, in anyway, alarm or concern anybody.
People literally gave their lives to bring this guy down.
Not only will those people have justice and our entire country will have justice, but a very clear message was sent the world over that we will not be intimidated and we will not live in fear. There were people in other countries celebrating this, radicals on foreign websites bragging about how they have us in fear. They thought they accomplished something, when in reality all they did was set the stage for all of us to show them, just like we always do, that all it does is make us stronger and bring us closer together, and it has a funny way of coming back to bite them and their cause in the ass.
People literally gave their lives to bring this guy down.
Not only will those people have justice and our entire country will have justice, but a very clear message was sent the world over that we will not be intimidated and we will not live in fear. There were people in other countries celebrating this, radicals on foreign websites bragging about how they have us in fear. They thought they accomplished something, when in reality all they did was set the stage for all of us to show them, just like we always do, that all it does is make us stronger and bring us closer together, and it has a funny way of coming back to bite them and their cause in the ass.
Yes I am. Considering how low our crime rate is. We obviously are doing things correctly. This is a beautiful place to live.
Officerrob
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Law enforcement officer went and bought milk for someone's baby since they couldn't leave due to the lockdown.
Ugh.
One baby does not need two gallons of milk. Only one would have sufficed. Our tax dollars wasted.
Wasted.
lol. Awesome cop
outunderthestars
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Beer Monkey
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Honesty is always the best policy.
TOO SOON?
FWIW, there's nothing I found funny about the tragedy. But I'm damned glad this fuck got caught and especially alive.
Fahrenheit
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http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ma/boston/crime/
according to that link your above state average. Wouldn't brag to much about that
outunderthestars
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Well the government is cleary forcing that child to drink 2% milk instead of whole. Where did the other 98% go? Iraq.
This might come a shock to you, but large cities often have higher crime rates than the state average. Your city of Brotherly Love, for example, has an even worse crime rate.
Fahrenheit
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Like how you didn't quote the post i was replying to asking what we should have spent the money on. Its ok though, I'm a big boy I cant take your hate
Youve admitted to trolling. Just stop.
Fahrenheit
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Obama needs to be impeached for forcing 2% on our kids
BlastProcessing
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darkazcura
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Boston is very good for a large city.
Edit: oops wrong link..gotta find one..haha my bad
Law enforcement officer went and bought milk for someone's baby since they couldn't leave due to the lockdown.
> Be kicking in doors because I can
> See mother scared to leave the house, baby is hungry
> I get a raging rights violation hard-on
> Fiendish plan comes to mind
> She sees what I'm thinking, starts crying
> I go to store and get two gallons of milk
> Walking up to house, she is trembling with fear
> "Got you some milk for the kids, can I bring it in"
> Trembling, she admits defeat, whimpers "okay"
> I step through the door triumphant in the civil rights rape I am committing
> Put milk in fridge, explode in my pants
> As I leave I whisper to her "Stay safe, we're here to protect you"
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