Exactly. Any slight sympathy I have for him goes away when you see that picture of him dropping the bomb next to the boy who died.
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Exactly. Any slight sympathy I have for him goes away when you see that picture of him dropping the bomb next to the boy who died.
Both of these are possible, just wondered if anyone actually saw it and could explain.
Not at all, but then again that wasn't really reinforcing a known stereotype.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57580534/fbi-interviewed-dead-boston-bombing-suspect-years-ago/
The FBI was requested by a foreign country (probably Russia) to look into the older brother in 2011 because of possible extremest ties. The guy's Youtube account had likes of Muslim extremest videos. Chechnya is currently a country troubled by extremist Islam. The evidence is there.
It's certainly compelling evidence, but it's not proof. He was just objecting to your assertion that this was absolutely how it went down.
Demoncarnotaur
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This will be interesting to see how this all unfolds. Unfortunately, I imagine the one with the answers is dead.
Syphon Filter
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Is there some conference scheduled for today?
Jest Chillin
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This still rings of being a home detective. When people speak of being radicalized, it's usually in reference to an outside influence. This kid could have easily made the decision to do this on his own without any specific influence from a larger group. In that case it's not so clearly the cause of any group as much as it is one zealot.
McVeigh wasn't considered radicalized so why would these kids?
SeaOfMadness
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I wonder about that, though. Maybe these kids were thinking all along, "heh, they totally have the wrong guys, we're in the clear" and then BAM, the FBI releases pictures and video of them and holy crap we need to GTFO now. I dunno.
SeaOfMadness
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Yup and he can't defend himself when his brother pins all the blame on him. He can say anything he wants and no one can refute it. (i.e. "he forced me to do X. he said he'd kill me, I was afraid for my life, etc..) of course then he'll be asked why he didn't just go to the police and the drama continues...
empty vessel
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McVeigh was radicalized. I don't view radicalization as per se bad. One can become politically radicalized without engaging in violence or wanting to do so, although radicalization can certainly increase the likelihood of it. By the same token, many strictly non-violent peace activists are radicalized. Radicalization can take many forms.
Joel Was Right
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Can you link me his YouTube? I want to see what the videos are
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
IIRC youtube closed it down.
Having an outside influence doesn't automatically mean that his actions were forced or planned by an outside group. It looks like he was just one zealot, as in, not officially a part of al-qaeda or anything. The FBI never did find any connections back in 2011. They were most likely self-radicalized. Also, I'm sure a lot of people would consider McVeigh a radical so....
Winterfang
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I totally sympathize with the following individuals:
Maybe I'm missing your point.
Yeah, a Terrorist is a terrorist. At most people are feeling sad because he was just a kid and probably had a bright future ahead of him and just fuck all of that and decided to attack his country.
You really think that shutting down an entire city for one single terrorist is something that discourages terrorists?
CoffeeJanitor
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grimshawish
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Oh please...
Anyways, if any brainwashing was done, it was done via that extremist in Australia or whatever. This kid knew what he was doing. He didn't think he was just planting drugs, and if he would say that, he's lying. Sure perhaps the older brother was more so into this "cause", but the younger knew what he was getting into.
And LOL at people using Twitter as a measuring stick of someone's actual personality and nature, that is ridiculous. There's as much brainwashing of people thinking "social media" is so special, a window to their soul. It's not.
Why did this kid party? Simple. These terrorist know damned well, and are instructed so to "blend in" as much as possible. It's not an indication that he wasn't totally absorbed by the faith and mission, it's an indication that he was trying his best to follow his instructions.
I'm pretty sure that disruption is what they thrive on. The more effect (physical/psychological/economical) they have, the more successful they consider themselves.
Now terrorists know they might be able to shut down a whole city without much effort. These two kids were actually pretty ineffective at what they did and still had a huge effect on a whole city.
I'm not sympathizing with either brother, I'm sympathizing with their friends and family who knew them as nice, quiet people. They made a choice and I don't think anybody is excusing that, but their families didn't and were just as blindsided as those who were affected by their horrific actions (going off of their statements.) Of course, this doesn't excuse those who knew them not IDing them, but I can't imagine what's going through the minds of the people who knew these brothers at one point as decent human beings.
robertsan21
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hopefully he will talk soon.
Any reports on his condition?
Any reports on his condition?
Syphon Filter
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We don't even know yet if he made it. Last we heard was that he was in critical condition.
Last report was critical condition, as far as I've heard they still haven't questioned him.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
SenjutsuSage good post and one that pretty much wraps me up with this thread.
I do want to say thanks to this thread and GAF for providing the best filtered coverage of any news outlet. It's sad but also relieving that I'm a member of a site that can break legitimate news about an hour faster than any news outlet. And best of all I don't have to wade through reddit to get it.
Later thread and thanks to those that kept us up to date. I'll leave you all to your amendment rights and racial profiling discussion now.
ps: And sorry to Sanjuro after having some time to think about it I think he's right.
I do want to say thanks to this thread and GAF for providing the best filtered coverage of any news outlet. It's sad but also relieving that I'm a member of a site that can break legitimate news about an hour faster than any news outlet. And best of all I don't have to wade through reddit to get it.
Later thread and thanks to those that kept us up to date. I'll leave you all to your amendment rights and racial profiling discussion now.
ps: And sorry to Sanjuro after having some time to think about it I think he's right.
grimshawish
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Meh. Its had little effect on anything long term. Unlike I'd say the London/Madrid and 9/11 attacks.
More worrying would be that terrorism is still a possible means of causing wide spread chaos but honestly I think terrorists would be more looking at large gatherings as a means of attack, and not this style of attack but a Mumbai-esque attack.
These guys didn't want to get caught or die. They were not suicide attackers luckily as if they were - they could have created much more chaos on the day either immediately after the attacks or as people congregated elsewhere/emergency response went underway.
That would have been a more significant attack on a country/cities ability to protect itself. In this case the Police were able to capture the guy and kill his brother.
I feel the Mumbai style is more what most terrorist organisations would prefer to just being chased. Though if they could get away without being caught (this is why CCTV is an essential defence) they could terrorise a city with attacks over several weeks or months. Effectively shutting it down I suppose. Thats a bigger fear but can be countered effectively if the will/means are there.
legacyzero
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Condition: SCREWED.
The coming days are about to be pretty uncomfortable for him, I bet.
When was there any critical condition report? They said serious condition multiple times at the press conference.
Coming days? Rest of this life. He'll probably spend all his remaining days in solitary confinement now.
HerbertFish
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Last I heard it was serious? I would imagine hes going to make it then.
Dice
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I know a guy who did city sweeps for the military. They'd have a scheduled time that everyone of a sector was notified about to temporarily move to a separate location where after the sweep they'd be individually checked before being allowed back. The deal was that whoever stayed back (not wanting to be caught in processing) would be assumed a militant and killed, and this was part of the warning in notifying people of the sweep. He talked about how disturbing it was (for everyone, soldiers and locals) when some guys that had been so friendly with them for weeks turned out to be insurgents, now fighting them with machine guns and explosives. After more cases like that, though, you realize that is the nature of the thing and you'd feel paranoid. I'd hate to be a soldier given that kind of job.
LyleLanley
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That really doesn't make sense to me, unless they were planning to plant more bombs.
They went to MIT that night with a bunch of pipe bombs, so I assume they were.
Heard critical condition on NPR this morning, might have been a misstatement or I might have misheard. If everyone is saying serious condition then go with that.
I was going to say, those who were actually speculating, especially after the wrongful accusing of the running enthusiast teenagers, were doing so with quite a bit of salt with their postings, it was those who were, as you said, bandwagoning that were running with things like the blue robe guy and the Sunil thing.
I was at a lost of words when the NY Post published that picture on their front page, I hope those kids take them to court because that was just asinine of their part.
The fact that they had all those pipe bombs, improvised grenades, and at least one more pressure cooker bomb indicates that they had more plans.
cpp_is_king
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Serious, not critical. serious means he'll almost certainly be fine
speculawyer
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Another shot of everyone's favorite tactical dog.
How is shit like this not bannable?
Who knows, chalk it up to be young and stupid? I saw a video on CNN a little while ago of a mechanic who works across the street from where they live in Cambridge, and he said the younger brother came over a day after the bombings with this highly nervous demeanor (biting his finger nails, pacing in circles, etc,) and asked for his girlfriends car (which was there for repairs to a taillight and the back fender I believe,) and the guy was like "it's going to take time to repair this" and he kept insisting he needed the car at that moment until the guy gave him the keys, and he told the reporter that he honestly thought the kid was on drugs. So I think it was probably in the back of their minds that they might get IDed, and with the amount of explosives they had on them I wouldn't doubt they were staging another attack from which they could flee during the ensuing chaos.
Didn't they say last night his condition was serious but not critical/life-threatening? He'll live.
hgarrett54
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So... What exactly happened to the kid? How'd he get into serious/critical condition?
He had been in a gun fight.
BronsonLee
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Injuries from the first gunfight, it seems.
speculawyer
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It is assumed he got shot during the MIT area shoot-out. Apparently health regen doesn't work in real life.
Funky Papa
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That dog is too much.
indigo-cyclops
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So awesome. Why dogs rule right there.
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