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[tkscz]

After last year's E3, I can understand them going this route. Last years was a mess, with most of it being NintendoLand (good game but they chased a lot of gamers away with it) and nothing else. And most, if not all of the good stuff was announced in Nintendo Directs, rather than at E3. So this sounds more like Nintendo realized this and are reacting to it accordingly.

 

[Various Artists]

Even nintendo fanboys need games to play. :/

And smash is a system seller. You must be insane if you believe it isn't

My point was that people aren't going to turn off MS and Sonny conferences to try a demo. But if you want to talk about system sales I would bet that SSM won't move a ton of consoles unless it coincides with a price drop.

 

[Thabass]

Who wants to bet this would be the year E3 gets opened to the public?

Not because of this, but just because it would be my/your/our bad luck?

If that was the case, they would have never sent out invites to the conference.

 

[gunstarhero]

For the last 3 years they had less to reveal at their e3 conferences. Seriously.

I don't know man - they announced the WiiU 2 years ago at E3, no? They always put on a good show at E3 imo, I just think Nintendo recognizes the fact that the press is going to be more interested in the PS4 and next Xbox and not Nintendo's game announcements, so they are focusing on catering to the fans.

It's a smart move - and Nintendo is going to be back on stage next year when all the dust settles (caused by Sony and MS).

 

[Alexios]

Ending their conference with MarionKart would make them a laughing stock.

Where did I say they should end it with that? They still have 3D Mario, Smash Bros, X, Bayonetta 2 and whatever else.

I was replying to a guy talking about potentially mass appeal casual games. How does Mario Kart not fit the bill? 7 is at over 8 million already.

Seriously, most of the time I have no idea why you think your replies are relevant to what you quote. They're not.

 

[ari]

Ending their conference with MarionKart would make them a laughing stock.

They usaully end with casual shit. :/

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Where did I say they should end it with that?

I was replying to a guy talking about mass appeal casual games. How does Mario Kart not fit the bill?

Seriously, most of the time I have no idea why you think your replies are relevant to what you quote. They're not.

Mario Kart is a huge seller but contextually it's nowhere near an E3 ender, is my point.

The issue may well be they don't have that good money shot.

 

[Mileena]

They usaully end with casual shit. :/

Mario Kart it is then

 

[IntelliHeath]

Ending their conference with MarionKart would make them a laughing stock.

I would like to think that they would end conference with SSB4 trailer.

 

[Duffyside]

*During the Sony presser:*

Nintendp during a Direct: Hey guys! Smash Bros Trailer!

*Sony presser views drop 50% instantly.*

Hahaha, yeah, because yet another Smash Bros. game is way more exciting to most people than new hardware.

 

[Sadist]

This indestructible faith in Sony and MS is strange as well. I still remember E3 '05 and E3 '06 quite vividly.

 

[ari]

I don't know man - they announced the WiiU 2 years ago at E3, no? They always put on a good show at E3 imo, I just think Nintendo recognizes the fact that the press is going to be more interested in the PS4 and next Xbox and not Nintendo's game announcements, so they are focusing on catering to the fans.

It's a smart move - and Nintendo is going to be back on stage next year when all the dust settles (caused by Sony and MS).

Nintendo's e3's was bad. Anyhow, They are not scared. You really think if e3 conferences was so important they would just concede.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

I would like to think that they would end conference with SSB4 trailer.

Smash is another game that may sell well but comparisons with whatever Sony and MS end with would be incredibly ugly for Nintendo.

A big, high budget Zelda is really their only option. And that won't be ready.

 

[qq more]

Hahaha, yeah, because yet another Smash Bros. game is way more exciting to most people than new hardware.

Why are you taking that joke so seriously? :S

 

[mclem]

As a random tangent: was Iwata *really* not a speaker at last year's E3? I really don't remember that, and I'd have thought I'd have noticed - but I guess not!

He was backstage following twitter.

Ah, yes, I'd forgotten. And maybe that was why he came to the decision we're seeing today.

 

[Various Artists]

Smash Bros. a niche fighting game? Seriously?

Compared to Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur, yeah probably. Its no where in the tournament scene.

it's ok to be excited for a 4th console installment but not a 4th game installment. i don't even know. hardware does not excite me personally. i didn't think closed-box hardware excited anyone that much.

Hardware that is showing things we haven’t seen before, yeah. We already know the formula for Smash Brothers. People want something new, if they didn’t, Gears of War and God of War would have done a lot better.

Haha, oh wow.

Rich and compelling argument. Thanks.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Can people just ignore Meltzer and stop replying to him? Its obvious he's trolling.

 

[-PXG-]

This is really depressing. However, they could turn this around. Perhaps a dedicated E3 app or Miiverse community. Or a special hub in the Wii U and 3DS shop. They could upload the show floor demos online and grant people at home hands on access.

E3 @ Home or something like that. If done right, this could have a more lasting effect than standard conferences.

 

[wsippel]

If I had to guess, I'd say they do a big Nintendo Direct with most of the announcements a few days before the show starts (well, two of those: one for Western markets, one for Japan), then several Minis highlighting the individual games, as well as the usual developer interviews and show floor coverage with gameplay footage and audience reactions during the event. Could potentially be better than a traditional conference due to a constant, coordinated stream of news - if they manage to pull it off.

 

[I H8 Memes]

Hells horses the Nintendo faithful can be so naive.

Wii U is struggling worse than any Nintendo system I can remember. Their sales are a disaster right now, the mantra from the public is starting to turn towards "Nintendo doomed", their software sales are almost completely bombs across the board.


In what way is reducing the viability of the console right now a good idea?? If they are doing this it's because they have to. Their first party games are a long way from being ready to show and their 3rd party support is almost completely non-existent.

 

[Gonzo The Great]

Compared to Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Combat and Soul Calbur, yeah probably. Its no where in the tournament scene.

Why then has Super Smash bros. Brawl outsold all of those games?

 

[ari]

Hahaha, yeah, because yet another Smash Bros. game is way more exciting to most people than new hardware.

Yes because both Sony and ms is revealing theirs there right? Smash alone will be appealing enough to get nintendo some attention. FACT

 

[Alexios]

their software sales are almost completely bombs across the board

Hard factoidz across the boardz (ctrl+f Nintendo).

In what way is reducing the viability of the console right now a good idea??

Good thing they've never said they're doing that.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

Can people just ignore Meltzer and stop replying to him? Its obvious he's trolling.

I think we're all trolling at this point.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

There are three certainties in this life; death, taxes, and Dave Meltzer in Nintendo threads.

 

[qq more]

Compared to Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur, yeah probably.

Didn't Brawl sold nearly around 11 million?

 

[Mpl90]

Compared to Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur, yeah probably. Its no where in the tournament scene.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl sold over 11 millions.
Super Smash Bros. Melee sold almost 8 millions. With just over 21 millions Gamecubes worldwide.

 

[Various Artists]

Why then has Super Smash bros. Brawl outsold all of those games?

Because Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur isn't on Wii?

 

[thecouncil]

If Nintendo ends with another fireworks display, I don't think that being pre-recorded is going to make it any less distressing than it would be if it was live.

I mean, where's the benefit of having a live conference with how information gets doled out in the Directs? They're streaming, so it's not like you can skip ahead to the end before anyone else can get there. Nintendo is never going to be unprofessional enough to pull off anything like Konami's press conferences from back in the day, so what would anyone be waiting for in that instance?

Well, what I'm saying is that, theoretically, the streaming Nintendo Direct style presentation could be more focused on games. Shorter and focused leaves less dumb stuff to laugh at.

The live stage show is usually casual / media focused and it makes it very easy for GAF to flat out make fun of it.

We all watch the Nintendo Directs stream and I don't see a lot of joking about how bad they are. But maybe that's just because the group that watches Nintendo Directs are usually Nintendo fans whereas the E3 shows have all of GAF watching. Hmmm...

 

[-MB-]

Hells horses the Nintendo faithful can be so naive.

Wii U is struggling worse than any Nintendo system I can remember. Their sales are a disaster right now, the mantra from the public is starting to turn towards "Nintendo doomed", their software sales are almost completely bombs across the board.


In what way is reducing the viability of the console right now a good idea?? If they are doing this it's because they have to. Their first party games are a long way from being ready to show and their 3rd party support is almost completely non-existent.

Don't become what your nick suggests hating.

 

[ari]

Because Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur isn't on Wii?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Mpl90]

Because Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur isn't on Wii?

That's...one of the most idiotic answers I've ever seen. Seriously, it makes me want to look at a mirror and cry.

 

[NeonZ]

Nobody is interested right now and a niche fighting game isn't going to make them.

I agree that the idea that revealing Smash could somehow make people forget about a console reveal is silly, but, niche fighting game? Melee was the best selling GC game, and Brawl sold even better, although was surpassed in sales by NSMB Wii, Mk Wii and the Wii series. Still. if the extra audience that Nintendo had with the Wii has left, Smash is their biggest game.

Smash has had a lot of single player content since Melee, and Brawl showed that there's still a lot that they can add and improve, in addition to the usual engine/character tweaks of fighting games. The reveal of the next Smash likely will be a big event.

 

[mclem]

Honestly, Microsoft is just trying to follow in Apple's footsteps

Nintendo is NOT Apple. Maybe Apple circa 1994.

That's an *impressive* comprehension failure.

 

[qq more]

Because Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur isn't on Wii?

Are you fuckin' kidding me? Melee sold really well (7 million) if I'm not mistaken. And that's on the worst selling system of its generation.

 

[ari]

Well, what I'm saying is that, theoretically, the streaming Nintendo Direct style presentation could be more focused on games.

The live stage show is usually very casual / media focused and it makes it very easy for GAF to flat out make fun of it.

We all watch the Nintendo Directs stream and I don't see a lot of joking about how bad they are. But maybe that's just because the group that watches Nintendo Directs are usually Nintendo fans whereas the E3 shows have all of GAF watching. Hmmm...

Bombs drop during directs, and and the videos are well done. No hyperbole.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Can people just ignore Meltzer and stop replying to him? Its obvious he's trolling.

You don't know what trolling is. Trolling isn't "opinions I disagree with". I believe everything I say.

 

[Mpl90]

That's an *impressive* comprehension failure.

It's Tobor, he wanted that comprehension failure

 

[Mileena]

That's...one of the most idiotic answers I've ever seen. Seriously, it makes me want to look at a mirror and cry.

Can't believe I agree with you.

It's because of the casuals. They don't care about Ryu, Kung Lao and Devil Jin. They care about Mario and Link and not having a real fighting game and just hit buttons.

 

[flintstryker]

Smash is another game that may sell well but comparisons with whatever Sony and MS end with would be incredibly ugly for Nintendo.

A big, high budget Zelda is really their only option. And that won't be ready.

I don't understand this Smash games are much more popular than Zelda's and most of Sony's and Microsoft's IPs as wells.

 

[Ridley327]

Well, what I'm saying is that, theoretically, the streaming Nintendo Direct style presentation could be more focused on games.

The live stage show is usually very casual / media focused and it makes it very easy for GAF to flat out make fun of it.

We all watch the Nintendo Directs stream and I don't see a lot of joking about how bad they are. But maybe that's just because the group that watches Nintendo Directs are usually Nintendo fans whereas the E3 shows have all of GAF watching. Hmmm...

I'm just failing to see where being live has any real benefits at this point, even for MS and Sony. Everything is so rehearsed and practiced with such little deviation from the script that they may as well already be pre-recorded. A gif like that little girl playing with that tiger in Kinectimals is going to be funny regardless, no?

 

[Sadist]

Rich and compelling argument. Thanks.

Don't be sour about it.

Super Smash Bros. is by no means a niche title/series but a real blockbuster title capable of selling Wii U's. How many Wii U's is the question, but the series popularity is enormous. Melee sold over 7 million copies and Brawl passed the 11 million mark. That's more than the most succesfull traditional fighting game Street Fighter IV, which sold (all versions included) about 6.2 million copies.

Brawl is way ahead of the Namco fighters as well.

 

[ari]

Can't believe I agree with you.

It's because of the casuals. They don't care about Ryu, Kung Lao and Devil Jin. They care about Mario and Link and not having a real fighting game and just hit buttons.

The trolls smelling some fucking blood i see.

 

[Currygan]

not sure if I like this or not, but I only care about games, so good to know they're there

 

[GetemMa]

You have to understand Nintendo sees sites like Giantbomb, Kotaku, Gamespot etc as the enemy. A necessary evil they're trying to make unnecessary. They're doing what they can to undermine their relevance.

A cause we should all champion. Holy shit then we might have to make decisions for ourselves!

Outside of reviews and previews featuring real game content, the games media is an ever swelling garbage heap of spoiled brats.

 

[Future PhaZe]

This seems kind of like a slow forfeiting of the games market for some reason

IDK

The method has worked so well for Nintendos past successes that the timing seems really odd for this.

 

[MisterHero]

Can't believe I agree with you.

It's because of the casuals. They don't care about Ryu, Kung Lao and Devil Jin. They care about Mario and Link and not having a real fighting game and just hit buttons.

Because Mortal Kombat didn't have its own gimmick for grasping at mainstream audiences.

Spoiler

gratitious violence

 

[Dave Meltzer]

I don't understand this Smash games are much more popular than Zelda's and most of Sony's and Microsoft's IPs as wells.

Smash is popular but in the context of a media event it's not a game that excites or sells a console. E3 enders need to be graphically or conceptually exciting

 

[Various Artists]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

That's...one of the most idiotic answers I've ever seen. Seriously, it makes me want to look at a mirror and cry.

Oh, I see. You guy’s are probably the ones that thought all WiiU needed was a New Super Mario to sell 100 million systems because it sold well on NDS and Wii.

 

[gunstarhero]

Nintendo's e3's was bad. Anyhow, They are not scared. You really think if e3 conferences was so important they would just concede.

E3 conferences are very important - and I'm sure Nintendo doesn't WANT to bow out, but that's just the position they are in this year. Nobody is saying Nintendo is scared - lol.

If Nintendo thought they had enough ammo for a press conference that could compete with the competition's next-gen spectaculars, they would be having the press conference. You don't bow out of something like this for no reason.