Nintendo ditches main E3 conference, still there with games, press events, N-Direct

You missed my point. The point is, E3 is typically an attempt to blow people away with your games. But for Nintendo, that context doesn't suit them. More Mario won't blow away the press and they'll be written about negatively. So they're changing the context if E3, for then, to "hey here's some big Wii U games but hey there's more to come don't go thinking this is all we have to show".
I didn't miss your point, your point just makes no sense. This is still Nintendo's E3 showing, you can have the same expectations as always and slam them as hard as always, don't feel compelled to be kinder just because it's pre-recorded and with a different show for the consumers and different for the press. Okay? Slam them hard. Go on. It's what E3 is for, regardless of the delivery method. Oh hey you're already doing it before you even see the games, yet already know they're not spectacular enough for a real E3. Cool, keep it up until E3, that's the spirit I've been trying to motivate, it will be like nothing changed with this attitude! HYPE!
 
I've never seen a Nintendo Direct, but I tune into their E3 press conference every year. I have a feeling that I am not alone in this and as a result I really feel like this might hurt Nintendo's sales overall. It never hurts to try a new strategy though, especially when times get tough.

You're probably still aware if LTTP2 and Yoshi's Island though because it gets reported all the same.

I honestly don't see the difference between Iwata announcing some games in an hour long stream that you can watch on your computer or him doing the same thing in front of an audience that you can watch on your computer.
 
I didn't miss your point, your point just makes no sense. This is still Nintendo's E3 showing, you can have the same expectation as always and slam them as hard as always, don't feel compelled to be kinder just because it's pre-recorded and different for consumer and press. Not that you seem compelled to be kinder, but just making sure.

They're presenting it as just another Nintendo Direct. Not an event on the scale of E3 prior.
 
As someone who never watches Nintendo Directs would you watch a Nintendo Direct that streams at the same time their E3 conference would usually be streamed?

Probably, but to me, watching those E3 conferences is like watching a battle royal between the big three and it just seems like Nintendo is taking a knee this year by not participating.

It just seems like for the last decade or so these three companies have always used this event to show off what they have coming out in the next year (presumably) and that's all I really need is just one press conference from each of these guys per year to keep me up to date on what they are doing. People seem to love ND's so I'll try tuning into the next one, but I just don't think a Nintendo Direct will ever draw the audience that an E3 conference will and that was my only real point.
 
That doesn't seem much like an attack. Its an actual fact. Smash attracts core Nintendo fans.

Its that simple.

It still however sort of ignores the initial argument. Smash is no way a niche title. It is VERY popular in the Nintendo userbase, which as of DS/Wii days is pretty huge.

i just don't even understand the concept referring to people who might purchase nintendo games as being "nintendo fans". nintendo stuff infiltrates all gaming pop culture. it isn't something you can marginalize. even people who've never bought a nintendo game in their lives is in the pool of people who may purchase Smash due to this forced exposure.
 
I'm sure Evilore is pleased that a rather large swath of the members that visit his website (at least Gaming side) possess little to no reading comprehension.

Anyways, at first I was perplexed and then displeased of this information. After sifting through the absolute cesspool that the thread has devolved into, I've seen some posts that change my perspective of the situation. E3 is becoming increasingly less of a successful venture for Nintendo, seeing as the culture of gaming itself is becoming more mainstream and "dudebroish" if you will. Nintendo had probably assessed what they've planned to showcase this year and have decided that they would best be shown in direct formats with the fanbase. They most likely don't have any blockbuster announcements or partnerships that would be better suited for an audience that is mostly press shills anyways.

The spectacle of E3 is entertaining sure, but all it does is distract us from what we claim to love the most: games. Hell, look at all of the "What are you looking forward to the most at E3 2013" threads. A lot of the posts are "the meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols". Nintendo doesn't need that right now, as they have a console in desperate need of a resurgence, showing up with sales talk, investor fellating, and their general goofy flair isn't going to cut it.

They will have a presence, and some impressive software will be shown, and as much as we like to rail the gaming press, they won't be stupid enough to not cover Nintendo because they don't have an overly fluffy hour presentation. GAF moans about the lack of game showcases anyways, so why is a format that is likely to be more game focused such a bad idea? It's not so much "lol Ninty's giving up" as its just Ninty going with yet another gamble. Will it pay off? We'll find out in less than 2 months.


But yeah, most of you will continue to over analyze and paint whatever narrative you want, and this thread will continue to circle a sad drain :/

yah. i kinda said the same thing a few pages back and it was ignored. haha. all true what you said though.
 
They're presenting it as just another Nintendo Direct. Not an event on the scale of E3 prior.

What's stopping them from billing it as their massive "E3 Showing"? Does it really matter that it's presented on a singular backdrop that isn't to an audience while the journalists will get their own press event?
 
Again, it's somewhat worth noting for this whole "Nintendo Direct vs. live press conference" discussion that all Nintendo said was that they wouldn't have a large scale presentation aimed at a global audience, and that Japan would receive a Nintendo Direct(s) around E3 for stuff aimed at them.

They didn't actually say that their E3 presentation would be a Direct.
 
E3 conferences are very important - and I'm sure Nintendo doesn't WANT to bow out, but that's just the position they are in this year. Nobody is saying Nintendo is scared - lol.

If Nintendo thought they had enough ammo for a press conference that could compete with the competition's next-gen spectaculars, they would be having the press conference. You don't bow out of something like this for no reason.

Hells horses the Nintendo faithful can be so naive.

Wii U is struggling worse than any Nintendo system I can remember. Their sales are a disaster right now, the mantra from the public is starting to turn towards "Nintendo doomed", their software sales are almost completely bombs across the board.

In what way is reducing the viability of the console right now a good idea?? If they are doing this it's because they have to. Their first party games are a long way from being ready to show and their 3rd party support is almost completely non-existent.

NCL has effectively ceded the home console market to Sony and MS.

Out of the tech arms race and, to all intents and purposes, out of the the most important electronic entertainment show on the globe. Out of sight. Out of mind.
 
Having no "proper" Nintendo conference to look forward to is pretty depressing, I must say. I know they're going to show stuff in other methods, but I really enjoy the hype :(

it might also mean that they have no confidence in what they have to show by that time when compared to what Sony and Microsoft might be bringing?
 
What you call logic the rest of the world calls a giant chasm of assumption.

I don't see why they would cancel their conference if they believe they have the content up to the quality expected of E3. If they have stuff that will blow people away, why reduce your audience? Nintendo Directs may get a good number of views but its preaching to the choir and will not recieve the same mainstream attention a massive press event would.
 
NCL has effectively ceded the home console market to Sony and MS.

Out of the tech arms race and, to all intents and purposes, out of the the most important electronic entertainment show on the globe. Out of sight. Out of mind.

Wii U is effectively finished.

Lord have mercy.
 
Nintendo: Given modern technology and the success of Nintendo Directs, we intend to split the way we communicate with gamers, the media, and distributors to more effectively target our message to each group, rather than trying to cater to all three with one general conference. We recognise that each group has different wants and needs with regards to information about our products.

1/3 to 1/2 of this thread: Nintendo has no faith in their products and is effectively backing down from the 'fight' with Sony and Microsoft. Fire Iwata! I've never watched Nintendo Directs and I don't really care about Nintendo, the games they will show, but it's E3 man...gotta have a press conference or how will USAToday report on you?
 
Nintendo: Given modern technology and the success of Nintendo Directs, we intend to split the way we communicate with gamers, the media, and distributors to more effectively target our message to each group, rather than trying to cater to all three with one general conference. We recognise that each group has different wants and needs with regards to information about our products.

1/3 to 1/2 of this thread: Nintendo has no faith in their products and is effectively backing down from the 'fight' with Sony and Microsoft. Fire Iwata! I've never watched Nintendo Directs and I don't really care about Nintendo, the games they will show, but it's E3 man...gotta have a press conference or how will USAToday report on you?

Some people don't believe spin.
 
I'm sure Evilore is pleased that a rather large swath of the members that visit his website (at least Gaming side) possess little to no reading comprehension.

Anyways, at first I was perplexed and then displeased of this information. After sifting through the absolute cesspool that the thread has devolved into, I've seen some posts that change my perspective of the situation. E3 is becoming increasingly less of a successful venture for Nintendo, seeing as the culture of gaming itself is becoming more mainstream and "dudebroish" if you will. Nintendo had probably assessed what they've planned to showcase this year and have decided that they would best be shown in direct formats with the fanbase. They most likely don't have any blockbuster announcements or partnerships that would be better suited for an audience that is mostly press shills anyways.

The spectacle of E3 is entertaining sure, but all it does is distract us from what we claim to love the most: games. Hell, look at all of the "What are you looking forward to the most at E3 2013" threads. A lot of the posts are "the meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols". Nintendo doesn't need that right now, as they have a console in desperate need of a resurgence, showing up with sales talk, investor fellating, and their general goofy flair isn't going to cut it.

They will have a presence, and some impressive software will be shown, and as much as we like to rail the gaming press, they won't be stupid enough to not cover Nintendo because they don't have an overly fluffy hour presentation. GAF moans about the lack of game showcases anyways, so why is a format that is likely to be more game focused such a bad idea? It's not so much "lol Ninty's giving up" as its just Ninty going with yet another gamble. Will it pay off? We'll find out in less than 2 months.


But yeah, most of you will continue to over analyze and paint whatever narrative you want, and this thread will continue to circle a sad drain :/

Talk about "little to no reading comprehension" and delivering one.

Everyone loves E3. It's our Superbowl. It's our Wrestlemania. It's our Oscars. It's our Comic-Con. There is no such thing as people looking forward to "the meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols". If you do not understand why people look forward to those things then you don't know what E3 is all about. E3 is a celebration of what's new and what's upcoming. It's an event where developers showcase what's coming up in the next few years or decades. It's not only for gamers but also for developers, press and investors alike. E3 is not a distraction. You state they have a console in desperate need of a resurgence, yet they are a no-show at an event where Sony and Microsoft are going to show their new consoles and games to the masses.

You say that gaming is becoming more mainstream and "dudebroish" and doesn't fit Nintendo; and I humbly disagree. If Nintendo isn't mainstream, I don't know what is. Everyone has been looking forward to this year's E3 because its the year Nintendo (and others) is suppose to showcase what's coming for them. It's suppose to tell the gamers and WiiU owners that every console in its first 5 months suffered the same fate, and that they are more than willing to show what they have coming up.

The fact of the matter is that conferences come first, booths come later, and off-the-floor announcements are last. There is no over analysis here and there is no painting the narrative. Not having a conference shows no confidence in what they're doing regardless of how many "Nintendo Directs" they have. Nintendo's main market is the casual, yet they are forgetting that these casuals and families don't read IGN or NeoGAF to get all the scoop. These casuals read New York Times and Forbes and Bloomberg, and watch CNN or FOX. E3 is covered in all of these media, and there is always a section or two dedicated to what was shown at the conference. No one cares about the floor as we can't be at the floor now, can we?

Long story short, as much as I respect Nintendo saying "we don't need E3 conferences", they needed one this year, and the lack of one-upping Microsoft and Sony's new console reveals show lack of confidence in what they have. They want to feed audience in burst of monthly or quarterly online pre-recorded discussions that will be watched and forgotten. "Who won the E3?" is the biggest question every year, and Nintendo isn't even competing this year.

"The meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols" is what GAF produces, and it's fun, but what we (or I personally) look forward to is the amazing spectacles, the exclusives, the new games and new techs, the innovative games, the acquisitions, the mergers, the shock and awe, the wow factor and the forecast showcasing what to expect years ahead. It's always fun seeing a Sony or Nintendo or Microsoft fanboy show their true color and cry or laugh about each other and the revelations, but we are not the mass audience. We barely are the voice of reason, and our buying power is less than 1% of what Nintendo is used to with Wii.

TL;DR: E3 is something we all look forward to. There will be one less conference to watch and no one will even miss it by the time everyone else is done. It's a missed opportunity and I hope it doesn't bite them back, especially with the latest numbers and corporate changes.

Personal opinion. Hope I didn't offend you.
 
Probably, but to me, watching those E3 conferences is like watching a battle royal between the big three and it just seems like Nintendo is taking a knee this year by not participating.

It just seems like for the last decade or so these three companies have always used this event to show off what they have coming out in the next year (presumably) and that's all I really need is just one press conference from each of these guys per year to keep me up
to date on what they are doing. People seem to love ND's so I'll try tuning into the next one, but I just don't think a Nintendo
Direct will ever draw the audience that an E3 conference will and that was my only real point.
I get what you're saying and a couple of
years ago I would have agreed with you. But the last few E3s have been terrible on almost all fronts. Remember last year when Ubisoft won E3? The only reason there's as much hype for E3 this year is because of the new
consoles, if Sony and Microsoft didn't have those ready all people would be talking about is how bad last years E3 was. I take off
for E3 every year and until it was revealed that new consoles were going to be shown I was fully prepared to skip out on watching E3.

It needs some shaking up, I really hope this catches on and Microsoft and Sony follow
suit. Hell, they're already announcing the
new consoles at events prior to E3. And I think that if the ND is at the same time that their regular conference would be on then people aren't going to miss anything.

If they hold a private showing about games specially tailored to gamers then we wont have pages in the conference thread filled
with "UGH USHER", "WHY ARE THERE SO MANY CHARTS?" and "WHERE ARE THE
GAMES?"

To me it just seems like they're just cutting down all the info they would show in one big show and portioning it out directly to the people that are interested in it.

EDIT: Oh and people need to stop saying that E3 is our Oscars/Super Bowl/Wrestlemania. Its on in the middle of the day in the middle of the week. Most people are at work. How many people do you know that throw E3 parties where everyone comes and watches?

The important thing about E3 is the
information that comes out of it. Sure, people like us who sit on video game forums all day enjoy the spectacle of it all, but the general public isn't watching the E3 conferences. They're picking up the info from websites after the fact.
 
Some people don't believe spin.

You mean how you're trying to spin it into something extremely negative when it's interesting to see Nintendo take a different approach because their past two conferences haven't worked out so well for them.

With all the complaining about Nintendo never doing anything different, it's nice to see them step outside the box and try something new in the way they present and market their products.
 
it might also mean that they have no confidence in what they have to show by that time when compared to what Sony and Microsoft might be bringing?
That's most certainly not what it means. In fact, it probably makes even more sense to have a huge show if the lineup can't carry itself.
 
I've never seen a Nintendo Direct, but I tune into their E3 press conference every year. I have a feeling that I am not alone in this and as a result I really feel like this might hurt Nintendo's sales overall. It never hurts to try a new strategy though, especially when times get tough.

Can I counter this with a question? Why haven't you watched a Nintendo Direct, and will you tune into their Direct E3 presentation this time around?
 
I'm adequately heartbroken they aren't having their full conference this year. I hope they see the outcry and reconsider. I have always taken the day off of school, and as an adult, work, to watch Nintendo's E3 conference with my boyfriend. It's the most exciting holiday of the year to us, and many of our friends. Some of the most exciting moments in any Nintendo fan's life are the amazing reveal trailers and cheers and applause from the audience. You can't have that in a Nintendo Direct. There's no physical audience to create that electricity (and have videos of it to re experience years later.) What if Twilight Princess was just unveiled in a Nintendo Direct in 04? How boring! I really hope they save their big Wii U announcements for SOME sort of conference they have with real people there, that's live broadcasted online.
 
This to me shows that Nintendo doesn't have much confidence in their own future products.

Shame.

Right...

No, it was a shot at nintendo fans. Anyway, smash is popular and has appeal.

How many shots can Nintendo fans take from people?

This "Nintendo doesn't have confidence" and "Nintendo doesn't have that much games that's why they are doing this" and "Nintendo is doomed"

Is getting so old, so fast, actually it already got old.
 
You mean how you're trying to spin it into something extremely negative when it's interesting to see Nintendo take a different approach because their past two conferences haven't worked out so well for them.

With all the complaining about Nintendo never doing anything different, it's nice to see them step outside the box and try something new in trying to present and market their products.

What Nintebdo is doing is the equivalent of a boxer calling a press conference 5 days before a fight, showing up 50lbs overweight and saying he's pulling out of the fight because his mother is sick.
 
This thread is so full of catastrophe syndrome and people afraid of change. The press conferences are fun, but are ultimately worthless. Nintendo is thinking outside the box and seeing if they can come up with a more efficient means of getting information out to gamers, press and distributors, but it's taken as they are scared and accepting defeat? Amazing!
 
TL;DR: E3 is something we all look forward to. There will be one less conference to watch and no one will even miss it by the time everyone else is done. It's a missed opportunity and I hope it doesn't bite them back, especially with the latest numbers and corporate changes..
You'll watch the Nintendo Direct Special E3 instead, that won't have useless 30 minutes Wii Fit U and random charts.
 
Talk about "little to no reading comprehension" and delivering one.

Everyone loves E3. It's our Superbowl. It's our Wrestlemania. It's our Oscars. It's our Comic-Con. There is no such thing as people looking forward to "the meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols". If you do not understand why people look forward to those things then you don't know what E3 is all about. E3 is a celebration of what's new and what's upcoming. It's an event where developers showcase what's coming up in the next few years or decades. It's not only for gamers but also for developers, press and investors alike. E3 is not a distraction. You state they have a console in desperate need of a resurgence, yet they are a no-show at an event where Sony and Microsoft are going to show their new consoles and games to the masses.

You say that gaming is becoming more mainstream and "dudebroish" and doesn't fit Nintendo; and I humbly disagree. If Nintendo isn't mainstream, I don't know what is. Everyone has been looking forward to this year's E3 because its the year Nintendo (and others) is suppose to showcase what's coming for them. It's suppose to tell the gamers and WiiU owners that every console in its first 5 months suffered the same fate, and that they are more than willing to show what they have coming up.

The fact of the matter is that conferences come first, booths come later, and off-the-floor announcements are last. There is no over analysis here and there is no painting the narrative. Not having a conference shows no confidence in what they're doing regardless of how many "Nintendo Directs" they have. Nintendo's main market is the casual, yet they are forgetting that these casuals and families don't read IGN or NeoGAF to get all the scoop. These casuals read New York Times and Forbes and Bloomberg, and watch CNN or FOX. E3 is covered in all of these media, and there is always a section or two dedicated to what was shown at the conference. No one cares about the floor as we can't be at the floor now, can we?

Long story short, as much as I respect Nintendo saying "we don't need E3 conferences", they needed one this year, and the lack of one-upping Microsoft and Sony's new console reveals show lack of confidence in what they have. They want to feed audience in burst of monthly or quarterly online pre-recorded discussions that will be watched and forgotten. "Who won the E3?" is the biggest question every year, and Nintendo isn't even competing this year.

"The meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols" is what GAF produces, and it's fun, but what we (or I personally) look forward to is the amazing spectacles, the exclusives, the new games and new techs, the innovative games, the acquisitions, the mergers, the shock and awe, the wow factor and the forecast showcasing what to expect years ahead. It's always fun seeing a Sony or Nintendo or Microsoft fanboy show their true color and cry or laugh about each other and the revelations, but we are not the mass audience. We barely are the voice of reason, and our buying power is less than 1% of what Nintendo is used to with Wii.

TL;DR: E3 is something we all look forward to. There will be one less conference to watch and no one will even miss it by the time everyone else is done. It's a missed opportunity and I hope it doesn't bite them back, especially with the latest numbers and corporate changes.

Again, you seem to be of the opinion that not having an hour long conference means that they have no presence. They've deemed it a waste of time to hold a conference that attempts to reach to as many as four audiences, some of which have no chance of being compelled by them due to demographics.

I understand E3 is an event, but I'm saying that a lot of the spectacle and pizazz is not what a company with a console in need of resurgence needs.
 
Nintendo has evaluated their Nintendo Directs and obviously considers them successful in delivering their messages to the intended audience. They think continuing with this during that week will be more effective and efficient than doing one keynote speech. I can see the backlash of this decision because of the WiiU's struggles and the possible perception going this route could cause, but don't you think Nintendo has evaluated this? Especially considering Iwata's comments the last couple of days regarding momentum? They're not rolling over here -- they're taking a chance on something different. Whether it "works" or not is something else, but they think some kind of change or different approach is needed and they're going for it whether we like it or not.
 
This thread is so full of catastrophe syndrome and people afraid of change. The press conferences are fun, but are ultimately worthless. Nintendo is thinking outside the box and seeing if they can come up with a more efficient means of getting information out to gamers, press and distributors, but it's taken as they are scared and accepting defeat? Amazing!

Change never comes easy. I can't wait for E3 to see what actually happens and if this proves extremely successful for Nintendo I can't wait for the quotes to be brought back up.

That's not the say that it might not work out for them but there's nothing wrong with trying something new.
 
So it seems like they are doing everything as normal.. but having 2 smaller events instead of one big one?

As you’ve already seen, a lot of news about Nintendo games and services that traditionally would be held until E3 is being delivered this year through Nintendo Directs, and various press events. This approach will continue between now and E3. No matter where you are in the world, you’ll be fully informed. We look forward to continuing to provide you with Nintendo news and content in ways you haven’t before experienced. Beyond the news that will be communicated through Nintendo Direct videos in the run up to E3, at the show itself we’re hosting two smaller events on Tuesday morning before the LACC opens instead of just our traditional one event. A media event and a partner presentation will both occur that morning. While the audiences will be different between the two events, both will occur on the Tuesday morning of E3 (June 11) which is the date and time period the public has come to expect for Nintendo to deliver E3 news.

At the Nokia theater we’ll meet with business partners (retailers, publishers, analysts, etc.) from the NOA territory and discuss our plans for driving the business and providing tailored information that this group finds useful to their operations. Nintendo has done these same type of business meetings at past E3 shows, but has not in the past few years. This year we are returning to that business partner meeting format. New this year at our booth in the LACC, prior to the show opening, we’ll invite a small group of media to play our games. We will have a strong line-up of beloved franchise experiences available for immediate hands-on play. We are continuing to consider exciting new ways to bring the news of our games and information directly to the players at home during the E3 timeframe, and will have more to say about that at a later date.”
 
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