Selling 10 mill on the Wiis massive install base is hardly much to boast about
What?
Selling 10 mill on the Wiis massive install base is hardly much to boast about
I didn't miss your point, your point just makes no sense. This is still Nintendo's E3 showing, you can have the same expectations as always and slam them as hard as always, don't feel compelled to be kinder just because it's pre-recorded and with a different show for the consumers and different for the press. Okay? Slam them hard. Go on. It's what E3 is for, regardless of the delivery method. Oh hey you're already doing it before you even see the games, yet already know they're not spectacular enough for a real E3. Cool, keep it up until E3, that's the spirit I've been trying to motivate, it will be like nothing changed with this attitude! HYPE!You missed my point. The point is, E3 is typically an attempt to blow people away with your games. But for Nintendo, that context doesn't suit them. More Mario won't blow away the press and they'll be written about negatively. So they're changing the context if E3, for then, to "hey here's some big Wii U games but hey there's more to come don't go thinking this is all we have to show".
I've never seen a Nintendo Direct, but I tune into their E3 press conference every year. I have a feeling that I am not alone in this and as a result I really feel like this might hurt Nintendo's sales overall. It never hurts to try a new strategy though, especially when times get tough.
I didn't miss your point, your point just makes no sense. This is still Nintendo's E3 showing, you can have the same expectation as always and slam them as hard as always, don't feel compelled to be kinder just because it's pre-recorded and different for consumer and press. Not that you seem compelled to be kinder, but just making sure.
2.7 million in the month of march in the US. That's all you need to know.Maybe. I'd need to see more data on the timeframe it took to sell that many units.
They're presenting it as just another Nintendo Direct. Not an event on the scale of E3 prior.
As someone who never watches Nintendo Directs would you watch a Nintendo Direct that streams at the same time their E3 conference would usually be streamed?
That doesn't seem much like an attack. Its an actual fact. Smash attracts core Nintendo fans.
Its that simple.
It still however sort of ignores the initial argument. Smash is no way a niche title. It is VERY popular in the Nintendo userbase, which as of DS/Wii days is pretty huge.
I'm sure Evilore is pleased that a rather large swath of the members that visit his website (at least Gaming side) possess little to no reading comprehension.
Anyways, at first I was perplexed and then displeased of this information. After sifting through the absolute cesspool that the thread has devolved into, I've seen some posts that change my perspective of the situation. E3 is becoming increasingly less of a successful venture for Nintendo, seeing as the culture of gaming itself is becoming more mainstream and "dudebroish" if you will. Nintendo had probably assessed what they've planned to showcase this year and have decided that they would best be shown in direct formats with the fanbase. They most likely don't have any blockbuster announcements or partnerships that would be better suited for an audience that is mostly press shills anyways.
The spectacle of E3 is entertaining sure, but all it does is distract us from what we claim to love the most: games. Hell, look at all of the "What are you looking forward to the most at E3 2013" threads. A lot of the posts are "the meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols". Nintendo doesn't need that right now, as they have a console in desperate need of a resurgence, showing up with sales talk, investor fellating, and their general goofy flair isn't going to cut it.
They will have a presence, and some impressive software will be shown, and as much as we like to rail the gaming press, they won't be stupid enough to not cover Nintendo because they don't have an overly fluffy hour presentation. GAF moans about the lack of game showcases anyways, so why is a format that is likely to be more game focused such a bad idea? It's not so much "lol Ninty's giving up" as its just Ninty going with yet another gamble. Will it pay off? We'll find out in less than 2 months.
But yeah, most of you will continue to over analyze and paint whatever narrative you want, and this thread will continue to circle a sad drain :/
They're presenting it as just another Nintendo Direct. Not an event on the scale of E3 prior.
Selling 10 mill on the Wiis massive install base is hardly much to boast about
When did they say that?
yah. i kinda said the same thing a few pages back and it was ignored. haha. all true what you said though.
Wtf meltzer?Logic. Perhaps you should play more Common Sense Training?
Wtf meltzer?
Logic. Perhaps you should play more Common Sense Training?
E3 conferences are very important - and I'm sure Nintendo doesn't WANT to bow out, but that's just the position they are in this year. Nobody is saying Nintendo is scared - lol.
If Nintendo thought they had enough ammo for a press conference that could compete with the competition's next-gen spectaculars, they would be having the press conference. You don't bow out of something like this for no reason.
Hells horses the Nintendo faithful can be so naive.
Wii U is struggling worse than any Nintendo system I can remember. Their sales are a disaster right now, the mantra from the public is starting to turn towards "Nintendo doomed", their software sales are almost completely bombs across the board.
In what way is reducing the viability of the console right now a good idea?? If they are doing this it's because they have to. Their first party games are a long way from being ready to show and their 3rd party support is almost completely non-existent.
Having no "proper" Nintendo conference to look forward to is pretty depressing, I must say. I know they're going to show stuff in other methods, but I really enjoy the hype![]()
What you call logic the rest of the world calls a giant chasm of assumption.
NCL has effectively ceded the home console market to Sony and MS.
Out of the tech arms race and, to all intents and purposes, out of the the most important electronic entertainment show on the globe. Out of sight. Out of mind.
Wii U is effectively finished.
Nintendo: Given modern technology and the success of Nintendo Directs, we intend to split the way we communicate with gamers, the media, and distributors to more effectively target our message to each group, rather than trying to cater to all three with one general conference. We recognise that each group has different wants and needs with regards to information about our products.
1/3 to 1/2 of this thread: Nintendo has no faith in their products and is effectively backing down from the 'fight' with Sony and Microsoft. Fire Iwata! I've never watched Nintendo Directs and I don't really care about Nintendo, the games they will show, but it's E3 man...gotta have a press conference or how will USAToday report on you?
I'm sure Evilore is pleased that a rather large swath of the members that visit his website (at least Gaming side) possess little to no reading comprehension.
Anyways, at first I was perplexed and then displeased of this information. After sifting through the absolute cesspool that the thread has devolved into, I've seen some posts that change my perspective of the situation. E3 is becoming increasingly less of a successful venture for Nintendo, seeing as the culture of gaming itself is becoming more mainstream and "dudebroish" if you will. Nintendo had probably assessed what they've planned to showcase this year and have decided that they would best be shown in direct formats with the fanbase. They most likely don't have any blockbuster announcements or partnerships that would be better suited for an audience that is mostly press shills anyways.
The spectacle of E3 is entertaining sure, but all it does is distract us from what we claim to love the most: games. Hell, look at all of the "What are you looking forward to the most at E3 2013" threads. A lot of the posts are "the meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols". Nintendo doesn't need that right now, as they have a console in desperate need of a resurgence, showing up with sales talk, investor fellating, and their general goofy flair isn't going to cut it.
They will have a presence, and some impressive software will be shown, and as much as we like to rail the gaming press, they won't be stupid enough to not cover Nintendo because they don't have an overly fluffy hour presentation. GAF moans about the lack of game showcases anyways, so why is a format that is likely to be more game focused such a bad idea? It's not so much "lol Ninty's giving up" as its just Ninty going with yet another gamble. Will it pay off? We'll find out in less than 2 months.
But yeah, most of you will continue to over analyze and paint whatever narrative you want, and this thread will continue to circle a sad drain :/
Some people don't believe spin.
I get what you're saying and a couple ofProbably, but to me, watching those E3 conferences is like watching a battle royal between the big three and it just seems like Nintendo is taking a knee this year by not participating.
It just seems like for the last decade or so these three companies have always used this event to show off what they have coming out in the next year (presumably) and that's all I really need is just one press conference from each of these guys per year to keep me up
to date on what they are doing. People seem to love ND's so I'll try tuning into the next one, but I just don't think a Nintendo
Direct will ever draw the audience that an E3 conference will and that was my only real point.
Some people like Uncharted. What's your point?
Some people don't believe spin.
That's most certainly not what it means. In fact, it probably makes even more sense to have a huge show if the lineup can't carry itself.it might also mean that they have no confidence in what they have to show by that time when compared to what Sony and Microsoft might be bringing?
I've never seen a Nintendo Direct, but I tune into their E3 press conference every year. I have a feeling that I am not alone in this and as a result I really feel like this might hurt Nintendo's sales overall. It never hurts to try a new strategy though, especially when times get tough.
No, it was a shot at nintendo fans. Anyway, smash is popular and has appeal.
This to me shows that Nintendo doesn't have much confidence in their own future products.
Shame.
No, it was a shot at nintendo fans. Anyway, smash is popular and has appeal.
You mean how you're trying to spin it into something extremely negative when it's interesting to see Nintendo take a different approach because their past two conferences haven't worked out so well for them.
With all the complaining about Nintendo never doing anything different, it's nice to see them step outside the box and try something new in trying to present and market their products.
You'll watch the Nintendo Direct Special E3 instead, that won't have useless 30 minutes Wii Fit U and random charts.TL;DR: E3 is something we all look forward to. There will be one less conference to watch and no one will even miss it by the time everyone else is done. It's a missed opportunity and I hope it doesn't bite them back, especially with the latest numbers and corporate changes..
Talk about "little to no reading comprehension" and delivering one.
Everyone loves E3. It's our Superbowl. It's our Wrestlemania. It's our Oscars. It's our Comic-Con. There is no such thing as people looking forward to "the meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols". If you do not understand why people look forward to those things then you don't know what E3 is all about. E3 is a celebration of what's new and what's upcoming. It's an event where developers showcase what's coming up in the next few years or decades. It's not only for gamers but also for developers, press and investors alike. E3 is not a distraction. You state they have a console in desperate need of a resurgence, yet they are a no-show at an event where Sony and Microsoft are going to show their new consoles and games to the masses.
You say that gaming is becoming more mainstream and "dudebroish" and doesn't fit Nintendo; and I humbly disagree. If Nintendo isn't mainstream, I don't know what is. Everyone has been looking forward to this year's E3 because its the year Nintendo (and others) is suppose to showcase what's coming for them. It's suppose to tell the gamers and WiiU owners that every console in its first 5 months suffered the same fate, and that they are more than willing to show what they have coming up.
The fact of the matter is that conferences come first, booths come later, and off-the-floor announcements are last. There is no over analysis here and there is no painting the narrative. Not having a conference shows no confidence in what they're doing regardless of how many "Nintendo Directs" they have. Nintendo's main market is the casual, yet they are forgetting that these casuals and families don't read IGN or NeoGAF to get all the scoop. These casuals read New York Times and Forbes and Bloomberg, and watch CNN or FOX. E3 is covered in all of these media, and there is always a section or two dedicated to what was shown at the conference. No one cares about the floor as we can't be at the floor now, can we?
Long story short, as much as I respect Nintendo saying "we don't need E3 conferences", they needed one this year, and the lack of one-upping Microsoft and Sony's new console reveals show lack of confidence in what they have. They want to feed audience in burst of monthly or quarterly online pre-recorded discussions that will be watched and forgotten. "Who won the E3?" is the biggest question every year, and Nintendo isn't even competing this year.
"The meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols" is what GAF produces, and it's fun, but what we (or I personally) look forward to is the amazing spectacles, the exclusives, the new games and new techs, the innovative games, the acquisitions, the mergers, the shock and awe, the wow factor and the forecast showcasing what to expect years ahead. It's always fun seeing a Sony or Nintendo or Microsoft fanboy show their true color and cry or laugh about each other and the revelations, but we are not the mass audience. We barely are the voice of reason, and our buying power is less than 1% of what Nintendo is used to with Wii.
TL;DR: E3 is something we all look forward to. There will be one less conference to watch and no one will even miss it by the time everyone else is done. It's a missed opportunity and I hope it doesn't bite them back, especially with the latest numbers and corporate changes.
What's YOUR point?
This thread is so full of catastrophe syndrome and people afraid of change. The press conferences are fun, but are ultimately worthless. Nintendo is thinking outside the box and seeing if they can come up with a more efficient means of getting information out to gamers, press and distributors, but it's taken as they are scared and accepting defeat? Amazing!
As youve already seen, a lot of news about Nintendo games and services that traditionally would be held until E3 is being delivered this year through Nintendo Directs, and various press events. This approach will continue between now and E3. No matter where you are in the world, youll be fully informed. We look forward to continuing to provide you with Nintendo news and content in ways you havent before experienced. Beyond the news that will be communicated through Nintendo Direct videos in the run up to E3, at the show itself were hosting two smaller events on Tuesday morning before the LACC opens instead of just our traditional one event. A media event and a partner presentation will both occur that morning. While the audiences will be different between the two events, both will occur on the Tuesday morning of E3 (June 11) which is the date and time period the public has come to expect for Nintendo to deliver E3 news.
At the Nokia theater well meet with business partners (retailers, publishers, analysts, etc.) from the NOA territory and discuss our plans for driving the business and providing tailored information that this group finds useful to their operations. Nintendo has done these same type of business meetings at past E3 shows, but has not in the past few years. This year we are returning to that business partner meeting format. New this year at our booth in the LACC, prior to the show opening, well invite a small group of media to play our games. We will have a strong line-up of beloved franchise experiences available for immediate hands-on play. We are continuing to consider exciting new ways to bring the news of our games and information directly to the players at home during the E3 timeframe, and will have more to say about that at a later date.
It was and it was blatant. Get off the topic before you shit the thread up even more.A shot at Nintendo fans? Grow up.
Smaller events = smaller expectations.