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[Bobby Roberts]

I hate to say this, but do you guys think politically correcting the FG community is the way to go? Have you guys ever watched a Lol stream? Do you realize how boring, vanilla, and sterilized that shit is? They literally put me to sleep. If the fighting game community turned into that I don't know if I could really stand watching it anymore.

When you're arguing for the ability to continue calling people "Faggots" you realize that using the term "political correctness" devalues that term? It's not "political correctness," at that point. It's more like "not being a dumbshit."

Again, it's not a community. The fact that you're arguing for people to continue using homophobic slurs without any serious repercussion is not evidence of community.

You can say that LOL streams put you to sleep, but they consistently get more viewers than almost every FG stream BUT Evo. Same w/ Starcraft.

Do you watch fighting game streams for the fighting, or for the chats where someone can use the word "faggot" without repercussion? If you couldn't stand watching fighting games without the possibility that someone can be verbally homophobic at will, what does that say about the quality of the game, or the players playing it? You're basically arguing that the point of watching has almost nothing to do w/ the game, and more w/ the idea that watching people play video games can be authentically hardcore or some weird nebulous shit like that.

 

[jbug617]

So would you treat people who use the N-Word the same? It's a racial slur just as equally bad.

 

[sleepykyo]

So at what point did Chris G become "Folds under pressure" to "MvC 3 god"? He still seems to get flustered, but no one seemed to ever bring it up until this past match.

He knows he can and will most likely win MvC3. He still folds fairly easily against tough competition in KoF, SF4 and SFxT.

 

[Ferrio]

People complain about how dry Magus' commentary is nowadays. But the Mr Naps vs Justin Wong replay video was a reminder of how raw he was before on the mic. And that was met with a lot of negative feedback.

It's already happening.

To me one of the best commentaries out there is Aris. I'm laughing in my seat pretty much the whole time when, and at the same time he still accurately commentates the match. He's definitely not politically correct, but I don't think he's ever malicious in anything he does.

When you're arguing for the ability to continue calling people "Faggots" you realize that using the term "political correctness" devalues that term? It's not "political correctness," at that point. It's more like "not being a dumbshit."

Again, it's not a community. The fact that you're arguing for people to continue using homophobic slurs without any serious repercussion is not evidence of community.

You can say that LOL streams put you to sleep, but they consistently get more viewers than almost every FG stream BUT Evo. Same w/ Starcraft.

Do you watch fighting game streams for the fighting, or for the chats where someone can use the word "faggot" without repercussion? If you couldn't stand watching fighting games without the possibility that someone can be verbally homophobic at will, what does that say about the quality of the game, or the players playing it? You're basically arguing that the point of watching has almost nothing to do w/ the game, and more w/ the idea that watching people play video games can be authentically hardcore or some weird nebulous shit like that.

I watch fighting game streams for the entertainment value, which means the games themselves and the people. Even when LoL games are exciting the commentary and players are so boring it's hard to stay interested. I'm not saying that word is a good word, but I'd really hate to see this community get watered down into that souless thing that is LoL.

Also I don't think LoL gets more viewers because of it's professionalism. I think it gets more views because it's LoL and fighting games (even no how popular they've become) are a niche genre.

 

[-tetsuo-]

Difficult to fold with Vergil in the back.

 

[Dartastic]

I hate to say this, but do you guys think politically correcting the FG community is the way to go? Have you guys ever watched a Lol stream? Do you realize how boring, vanilla, and sterilized that shit is? They literally put me to sleep. If the fighting game community turned into that I don't know if I could really stand watching it anymore.

To me this is one of the last bastion of players being themselves, for better or worse.

When you're arguing for the ability to continue calling people "Faggots" you realize that using the term "political correctness" devalues that term? It's not "political correctness," at that point. It's more like "not being a dumbshit."

Again, it's not a community. The fact that you're arguing for people to continue using homophobic slurs without any serious repercussion is not evidence of community.

You can say that LOL streams put you to sleep, but they consistently get more viewers than almost every FG stream BUT Evo. Same w/ Starcraft.

Do you watch fighting game streams for the fighting, or for the chats where someone can use the word "faggot" without repercussion? If you couldn't stand watching fighting games without the possibility that someone can be verbally homophobic at will, what does that say about the quality of the game, or the players playing it? You're basically arguing that the point of watching has almost nothing to do w/ the game, and more w/ the idea that watching people play video games can be authentically hardcore or some weird nebulous shit like that.

Great post.

 

[Threi]

Just like the sfxt scandal, it is not about condoning any sort of behavior. To say that is silly. It is more that the persons involved here are chris g, mr. Wizard, and his sponsor. No matter what the situation, people have no right to judge people they do not know.

I personally think that chris g should suffer reprecussions from his sponsor (not really an evo banning, thats ridiculous) because of this. However, i leave that decision in their hands because frankly i do not know any of them on a personal level and it is not my responsibility to try to uphold some sort of moral standard for them.

Basically: if you ain't involved, mind ya damn business.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

So would you treat people who use the N-Word the same?

If you're not a part of that minority, you probably shouldn't be using those slurs out loud. If you're not gay, you probably shouldn't be caught out in public calling people homophobic slurs.

The Ghetto Pass isn't transferable. It doesn't work on a whole culture simply because you know a guy who lets you say it around them.

I'm not saying that word is a good word, but I'd really hate to see this community get watered down into that souless thing that is LoL.

It's the concept of "watered down" that I'm picking at, basically. There are plenty of other, just as profane, ways to shit on a person with legitimate heat, without having to bust on a person's sexual orientation, or race. What you're essentially arguing is that it's somehow a negative if a person can't refer to another person using racist/homophobic/sexist terminology - and that using that terminology is KEY to the entertainment value of watching those streams. If people DON'T use that terminology, the quality of that entertainment is somehow lessened.

I don't understand this, and I don't agree with it. The hypest moments in fighting games have absolutely NO MENTION of homophobia or racial antagonization. Not one of them. So arguing that the ability to continue wallowing in that bullshit is ESSENTIAL to being part of the "community" seems pretty specious, to me.

 

[jbug617]

If you're not a part of that minority, you probably shouldn't be using those slurs out loud. If you're not gay, you probably shouldn't be caught out in public calling people homophobic slurs.

The Ghetto Pass isn't transferable. It doesn't work on a whole culture simply because you know a guy who lets you say it around them.

So it's okay for a gay person to use that term and it's okay for a black person to say that word?

 

[Threi]

If you're not a part of that minority, you probably shouldn't be using those slurs out loud. If you're not gay, you probably shouldn't be caught out in public calling people homophobic slurs.

The Ghetto Pass isn't transferable. It doesn't work on a whole culture simply because you know a guy who lets you say it around them.

You shouldnt be malicious to people in any sort of way. Whether or not you call them a "faggot" or an "asshole"

 

[Infinite]

So it's okay for a gay person to use that term and it's okay for a black person to say that word?

Yes

 

[Eight Diagram Bat Fighter]

Yes

If they don't want others to say it, maybe they should stop saying it themselves.

 

[enzo_gt]

The match is already up on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc2eBGs9pcc

Just rewatched this. Goddamn that last game is so hype. Grapple kill, the Devil Trigger battle, goddamn. Instant classic. Commentators did a great job carrying the hype too.

Also I fucking love all the moves in Marvel that have that impact you can feel even just watching. The magnum is one, every single Nova normal or move, etc. Señor Taxi had Chris G scared as fuck. Watch as every time he is grounded and Chris G activates Astral Vision he ducks immediately, trying to avoid that magnum penetration. No SJ risk or anything.

 

[Infinite]

If they don't want others to say it, maybe they should stop saying it themselves.

Not even the thread for this discussion but you are completely wrong and ignoring the way language functions.

 

[toddhunter]

Just like the sfxt scandal, it is not about condoning any sort of behavior. To say that is silly. It is more that the persons involved here are chris g, mr. Wizard, and his sponsor. No matter what the situation, people have no right to judge people they do not know.

I personally think that chris g should suffer reprecussions from his sponsor (not really an evo banning, thats ridiculous) because of this. However, i leave that decision in their hands because frankly i do not know any of them on a personal level and it is not my responsibility to try to uphold some sort of moral standard for them.

Basically: if you ain't involved, mind ya damn business.

You have every right to judge people you don't know and if something isn't right, everybody has a responsibility to stand up and say that it isn't on.

That is how a community gets better.

 

[Threi]

Yes

I personally hate that line of reasoning. Restricting words to certain groups is just silly and promotes segregation.

 

[Infinite]

I personally hate that line of reasoning. Restricting words to certain groups is just silly and promotes segregation.

No it doesn't.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

If they don't want others to say it, maybe they should stop saying it themselves.

Should minorities not reclaim words meant to denigrate them?

Should people not use words meant to denigrate minorities SPECIFICALLY for being minorities?

Your post sounds like it's making the case for personal responsibility, but its really allowing for its removal. It paves the way for Honzo Gonzo's stupid "defense" for saying the n-word. It doesn't allow for societal/historical context.

 

[Threi]

You have every right to judge people you don't know

I fundamentally disagree with this. Very very strongly.

 

[-tetsuo-]

Regarding these... phrases, I'll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIheeOPxQCE

 

[nikos]

@HelloKittyRicky What's all this talk about the "F Word" people?

Here we go lol

 

[Ferrio]

It's the concept of "watered down" that I'm picking at, basically. There are plenty of other, just as profane, ways to shit on a person with legitimate heat, without having to bust on a person's sexual orientation, or race. What you're essentially arguing is that it's somehow a negative if a person can't refer to another person using racist/homophobic/sexist terminology - and that using that terminology is KEY to the entertainment value of watching those streams. If people DON'T use that terminology, the quality of that entertainment is somehow lessened.

I don't understand this, and I don't agree with it. The hypest moments in fighting games have absolutely NO MENTION of homophobia or racial antagonization. Not one of them. So arguing that the ability to continue wallowing in that bullshit is ESSENTIAL to being part of the "community" seems pretty specious, to me.

Yes, he could of picked another insult. I'm not defending the use of that word. I'd just hate to get to the point that people have to sterilize everything.

 

[jbug617]

Should minorities not reclaim words meant to denigrate them?

Should people not use words meant to denigrate minorities SPECIFICALLY for being minorities?

Your post sounds like it's making the case for personal responsibility, but its really allowing for its removal. It paves the way for Honzo Gonzo's stupid "defense" for saying the n-word. It doesn't allow for societal/historical context.

So how about no one says it.

 

[Sheroking]

If they don't want others to say it, maybe they should stop saying it themselves.

When it comes to slurs, context is everything. It's very unlikely that a homosexual is going to use the word "faggot" to demean homosexuals, so it becomes kind of like ironic endearment. In it's own context, the word isn't inherently shitty.

In the context that Louis CK uses it in a comedy special: It's funny and an insightful look at our language. In the context FChamp uses it, when he's describing Dr Strange's character model, it's eye-rollingly dumb and more than a little icky.

But in the context ChrisG used it, it's bigoted, offensive and abhorrent. It should cost him something. This is the second or third tournament in recent history he's gotten away with shitty behavior, and in most circles, he'd be in trouble. If he pulled that at a real job, he'd be fired so fast.

 

[Threi]

No it doesn't.

How not? You are taking something as simple as a word and restricting it's use (with or without malicious intent) to a certain group. Isn't that a very explicit example of segregation?

 

[Chavelo]

Holy shit, was out of the house for like half of the day. Good stuff to watch at like 3:00am, haha.

Oh shit, now we got silly drama going on? Again? Ha!

 

[Dartastic]

If you're not a part of that minority, you probably shouldn't be using those slurs out loud. If you're not gay, you probably shouldn't be caught out in public calling people homophobic slurs.

The Ghetto Pass isn't transferable. It doesn't work on a whole culture simply because you know a guy who lets you say it around them.



It's the concept of "watered down" that I'm picking at, basically. There are plenty of other, just as profane, ways to shit on a person with legitimate heat, without having to bust on a person's sexual orientation, or race. What you're essentially arguing is that it's somehow a negative if a person can't refer to another person using racist/homophobic/sexist terminology - and that using that terminology is KEY to the entertainment value of watching those streams. If people DON'T use that terminology, the quality of that entertainment is somehow lessened.

I don't understand this, and I don't agree with it. The hypest moments in fighting games have absolutely NO MENTION of homophobia or racial antagonization. Not one of them. So arguing that the ability to continue wallowing in that bullshit is ESSENTIAL to being part of the "community" seems pretty specious, to me.

Once again, another great post. Thanks man. Gin isn't helping me make an argument at this point. Hah.

When it comes to slurs, context is everything. It's very unlikely that a homosexual is going to use the word "faggot" to demean homosexuals, so it becomes kind of like ironic endearment. In it's own context, the word isn't inherently shitty.

In the context that Louis CK uses it in a comedy special: It's funny and an insightful look at our language. In the context FChamp uses it, when he's describing Dr Strange's character model, it's eye-rollingly dumb and more than a little icky.

But in the context ChrisG used it, it's bigoted, offensive and abhorrent. It should cost him something. This is the second or third tournament in recent history he's gotten away with shitty behavior, and in most circles, he'd be in trouble. If he pulled that at a real job, he'd be fired so fast.

Pretty much.

 

[Ferrio]

When it comes to slurs, context is everything. It's very unlikely that a homosexual is going to use the word "faggot" to demean homosexuals, so it becomes kind of like ironic endearment. In it's own context, the word isn't inherently shitty.

In the context that Louis CK uses it in a comedy special: It's funny and an insightful look at our language. In the context FChamp uses it, when he's describing Dr Strange's character model, it's eye-rollingly dumb and more than a little icky.

But in the context ChrisG used it, it's bigoted, offensive and abhorrent. It should cost him something. This is the second or third tournament in recent history he's gotten away with shitty behavior, and in most circles, he'd be in trouble. If he pulled that at a real job, he'd be fired so fast.

Wait wait wait.

How do you know ChrisG used it in a bigoted offensive way? He didn't target no one that was actually homosexual, he gave no other context. How do you know he was targetting homosexuals? You give a free pass to Louis CK and gay people, why do you come down on him?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Yes, he could of picked another insult. I'm not defending the use of that word. I'd just hate to get to the point that people have to sterilize everything.

I dont' think anyone's arguing for sterilization, though. Just something that isn't baldfaced homophobic bullshit.

Would we be having this conversation if he'd called Mr. Wizard an asshole? Or a dickhead? Or a shit-sucking ballsack?

 

[Ferrio]

I dont' think anyone's arguing for sterilization, though. Just something that isn't baldfaced homophobic bullshit.

Would we be having this conversation if he'd called Mr. Wizard an asshole? Or a dickhead? Or a shit-sucking ballsack?

I'm sure someone would. Whether we paid attention to them or not is another matter.

 

[Dartastic]

Wait wait wait.

How do you know ChrisG used it in a bigoted offensive way? He didn't target no one that was actually homosexual, he gave no other context. How do you know he was targetting homosexuals? You give a free pass to Louis CK and gay people, why do you come down on him?

BECAUSE HE JUST STRAIGHT UP SAID "YOU'RE A FAGGOT." Seriously? Come on man.

There was no joking, no kind of reason where he might even be able to get away with that. He used it as an insult. Straight up.

 

[K.Sabot]

BECAUSE HE JUST STRAIGHT UP SAID "YOU'RE A FAGGOT." Seriously? Come on man.

But did he honestly say "You're a gay person and because you are gay that is bad therefor I am insulting you."?

 

[Sheroking]

Wait wait wait.

How do you know ChrisG used it in a bigoted offensive way?

Come on, now... we all know that wasn't some joke. MrWizard was pushing buttons and salty Chris has no sense of humor.

 

[GotchaForce]

There is a vast difference between using certain kinds of offensive language among friends where certain connotations are established, and using slurs in highly-visible public situations.

Having the restraint to not do the latter is not being "soft"; it's showing a bare-minimum amount of common sense.

This. You don't use slurs in front of your grandma or in public and not expect repercussions. From my point of view, streams have been as hype as they've ever been over the last year or so, just a bit more grown up and level-headed about what they say and how they go about stuff (Arturo dropping "rape cam" for instance).

 

[Dartastic]

But did he honestly say "You're a gay person and because you are gay that is bad therefor I am insulting you."?

That's not how it works.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

I'd just hate to get to the point that people have to sterilize everything.

Well it's a good thing that nobody but you is even implying that's what anybody wants.

 

[Ferrio]

BECAUSE HE JUST STRAIGHT UP SAID "YOU'RE A FAGGOT." Seriously? Come on man.

But this guy just defended Louis CK for using it. When Louis CK's whole bit was how when he uses the word "faggot" he doesn't use it as a derogatory term for homosexuals. How does Louis CK get a free pass for using it the exact same way Chris G used it?

 

[Ragingnight]

if this happen at any other professional gig there would be consequences. Even in starcraft and LoL, so why does Chris G get an exception? He should be punished for what he said.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Gin isn't helping me make an argument at this point. Hah.

I'm going back for my 3rd whiskey & coke so we're probably gonna be in trouble pretty soon here.

 

[Threi]

So how about no one says it.

Even better than that, don't publicly be an asshole to people over petty bullshit.

 

[sephi22]

I think Chris G always had a shitty attitude. Because he doesn't socialize much or get on the mic much its been hidden so far. Now that the spotlight is on him, we can see what a sore loser he really is.

Also, he just insulted the TO for the largest fighting game tournament. That is fucking stupid, and people who are defending Chris are crazy. If I was Joey, I would ban Chris from EVO, but Joey has better business sense. He knows banning him would anger a lot of people and people are excited to see somebody beat Chris which brings the hype

 

[Infinite]

How not? You are taking something as simple as a word and restricting it's use (with or without malicious intent) to a certain group. Isn't that a very explicit example of segregation?

You have to be kidding me. The relationships between the people using the words actually give meaning to the words used. For example lets say you're fond of calling your significant other "sweet thang" and that's something endearing between the two of you. Lets say some random stranger probably hitting on your significant other addresses them as "sweet thang" wouldn't you feel some kinda way about that? The same goes for the n-word; Black Americans have a different relationship with the word than white people do. You can also say the word as much as you like just be prepared to accept the responsibility that comes with using it.

 

[bloodyroarxx]

Add another person to the idiot pile

VXG_jason24cf ‏@Jason24cf 5m
Damn my cell blew up with texts about what went down with @NYChrisG do you really think someone that good is making shit up? #Ignorance

VXG_jason24cf ‏@Jason24cf 5m
The worst part about the whole thing is the TO instigating @NYChrisG if you only knew how much of a piece of crap that TO really is smh

 

[K.Sabot]

That's not how it works.

I don't think you understand the context in which I responded to you, feel free to read the quote above that you quoted earlier.

 

[bloodyroarxx]

Oh god I love you Koogy

Paul Kugler ‏@koogyplz 1m
you can't say "THE PS3 TOOK MY RENT MONEY WAAAAAAAAAH" #justsayin

 

[toddhunter]

I fundamentally disagree with this. Very very strongly.

For something like this? I can see what you are trying to say.

But fundamentally I doubt very much that you don't have a line where you judge somebody based just on their actions. If nothing else, it is a way to protect yourself or your families in extreme examples.

 

[Ragingnight]

Add another person to the idiot pile

rofl and the best part is that he doesn't understand that no matter how bad mrwizard is, it does not justify calling him or anybody else a "faggot".

 

[bloodyroarxx]

rofl and the best part is that he doesn't understand that no matter how bad mrwizard is, it does not justify calling him or anybody else a "faggot".

I was going to call him out on that but I didn't want to waste my breath.

 

[sephi22]

Black Americans have a different relationship with the word than white people do. You can also say the word as much as you like just be prepared to accept the responsibility that comes with using it.

'Nigga' is Black for 'Dude' or 'Man' from what I can tell.
Why can I not refer to a Black person as 'My nigga."?

 

[Sheroking]

But this guy just defended Louis CK for using it. When Louis CK's whole bit was how when he uses the word "faggot" he doesn't use it as a derogatory term for homosexuals. How does Louis CK get a free pass for using it the exact same way Chris G used it?

I feel like the world is a dumber place for this to seriously be questioned.

Louis CK is a stand-up comedian who went OUT OF HIS GODDAMN WAY to qualify that he wasn't using the slur that way. It had levels, it was satire and was meant to evoke quirks of language.

If he seriously just pulled up and called somebody who was trolling him a "faggot" on twitter, with no clear sarcasm, humor or reference, he would be all over TMZ, dragged through the mud for days and probably lose out on job opportunities and money.