Kotaku Rumor: Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720 [Pastebin = Ban]

Satchel said:
Someone didn't own the original Xbox.

The launch PS2s were horribly unreliable. As are the fat PS3s.

Neither is on the RROD level, but still Sony are 2/3. Microsoft are 1/2. I'd be worried about launch PS4s if we're not going to choose to ignore history.
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My launch 60GB PS3 was purchased in 2007 and didn't shit the bed until 2013. YLOD was multitudes less of an issue than RROD - Sony's hardware has been more reliable than Microsoft's, it's indisputable really.

Because of that I have no doubt MS will do everything in their power to avoid another RROD fiasco - the only thing which worries me in the OP is delayed software.
 
not sure why they would be 6 months behind in games, since both 720 and ps4 games are all being made on pcs, nothing to delay you there, build them on target pcs, take the upgrades as they come

if it was behind on the OS software, then i would understand, as theyre reacting to the awful share shit on the ps4
 
Karma said:
What has Thuway said about Microsoft that makes him reliable? When has he shown that he has inside information?
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How can be there be proof of Microsoft rumour when they've not revealed the system yet?
Obviously his reliability comes in the forms of previous rumours not necessarily related to Microsoft. And of course, when others substantiate those rumours.
 
Quinton McLeod said:
*sigh*
Anyway, we're getting off topic.

The point is, Microsoft and Sony were forced to show their hand after the release of the Wii U. If Nintendo hadn't moved, then Microsoft and Sony would still be content with the Xbox 360 and the PS3. There's evidence of this everywhere. One big notable thing is the PS4 being rushed as it is.
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Then Nintendo should have used their power over the industry to garner more third party support and better future proof their console. As it is I doubt the other two really gave a damn about Nintendo releasing first. Microsoft is more worried about competing with people outside of the games market with hardware and Sony is trying to get it's groove back with next gen and unifying their company brand. Nintendo being a factor means nothing when next gen actually starts and they just become the dumb down port machine and 1st party pusher once again.
 
BlazingDarkness said:
My launch 60GB PS3 was purchased in 2007 and didn't shit the bed until 2013. YLOD was multitudes less of an issue than RROD - Sony's hardware has been more reliable than Microsoft's, it's indisputable really.

Because of that I have no doubt MS will do everything in their power to avoid another RROD fiasco - the only thing which worries me in the OP is delayed software.
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Read my post again. Then your response.

I'm not even sure why you replied. I said they weren't on RROD level. But anyone honest enough to admit it knows the fat PS3s are either dead, or ticking time bombs.

I was working at EB games when the PS2 launched and they came back in droves. With up to 4 different issues.
 
Quinton McLeod said:
The point is, Microsoft and Sony were forced to show their hand after the release of the Wii U. If Nintendo hadn't moved, then Microsoft and Sony would still be content with the Xbox 360 and the PS3. There's evidence of this everywhere. One big notable thing is the PS4 being rushed as it is.
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Where is the evidence? Give us some examples.
 
Karma said:
What has Thuway said about Microsoft that makes him reliable? When has he shown that he has inside information?
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I don't know about his inside knowledge about MS, but he sent me a PM last year detailing the proposed GPU power of the PS4 after speaking to a Sony insider, when everyone else was in a panic that it was going to be some shitty integrated AMD GPU,similar to what's in the AMD PC line up, rather than nice 78xx level part we got.

..he was pretty much spot on with what was revealed in February.
 
NemesisPrime said:
Oh... and you have seen this?
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Its pretty much confirmed, sure its still rumours but the amount of places we have seen all the information coming that all agree makes it pretty hard to ignore, if you won't be satisfied till a official announcement so be it but I hope your ready for it to be the same.
 
Why are Microsoft and Sony releasing new consoles?

Trailing twelve month NPD US sales.
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Karma said:
What has Thuway said about Microsoft that makes him reliable? When has he shown that he has inside information?
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Among other things, he gave us correct DDR3, ESRAM i GDDR5 bandwith speeds way before they were reported on VGleaks and PS Meeting. He's legit.
 
Satchel said:
Read my post again. Then your response.

I'm not even sure why you replied. I said they weren't on RROD level. But anyone honest enough to admit it knows the fat PS3s are either dead, or ticking time bombs.

I was working at EB games when the PS2 launched and they came back in droves. With up to 4 different issues.
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I was questioning your pointless '2/3 for Sony and 1/2 for Microsoft' thing - implying that Sony is the less reliable of the two. When ultimately Sony has released more hardware with less significant problems compared to Microsoft, it's not purely a numbers game, it's about the extent of the issues, where RROD is unrivaled.
 
Quinton McLeod said:
*sigh*
Anyway, we're getting off topic.

The point is, Microsoft and Sony were forced to show their hand after the release of the Wii U. If Nintendo hadn't moved, then Microsoft and Sony would still be content with the Xbox 360 and the PS3. There's evidence of this everywhere. One big notable thing is the PS4 being rushed as it is.
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On another narrative perspective, Nintendo was forced to rush Wii U without proper software support (1st party and third party) so not to be directly compared with Sony and Microsoft systems. Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 are selling more than Wii U so if they wanted/needed they could postponed their launches 6-12 months more. It was Sony and Microsoft that are forcing each other in a mexican standoff. Nintendo best chance is to divert that fight, let the sharks eat each other and be content with the scraps. See, I can add some events and facts to support a completely different and believable narrative adding a few jabs to Nintendo just for good measure.
 
ThisWreckage said:
Listen, even mods are confirming that certain posters are on the mark in this thread. Start from the beginning and read through. There's even a play by play turn of events on several pages.
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I just want to see when the guy has shown that he is reliable. Do you have a link to some info he shared that turned out true? Anyone?

DieH@rd said:
Among other things, he gave us correct DDR3, ESRAM i GDDR5 bandwith speeds way before they were reported on VGleaks and PS Meeting. He's legit.
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Where was this posted?

BlazingDarkness said:
How can be there be proof of Microsoft rumour when they've not revealed the system yet?
Obviously his reliability comes in the forms of previous rumours not necessarily related to Microsoft. And of course, when others substantiate those rumours.
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Of course I am not talking about previous rumors. Also, having inside information about one company does not give you credibility about another.
 
BlazingDarkness said:
I was questioning your pointless '2/3 for Sony and 1/2 for Microsoft' thing - implying that Sony is the less reliable of the two. When ultimately Sony has released more hardware with less significant problems compared to Microsoft, it's not purely a numbers game, it's about the extent of the issues, where RROD is unrivaled.
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Not really overall.

It wasn't pointless. I even mentioned that individually, neither was on the RROD level.

The PS2 was pretty bad at launch, like the Xbox, as was the PS3 at launch.

The PSX and OG Xbox were both indestructible.

If we're looking at the history of reliability issues, Sony had 2 unreliable console launches, Microsoft had one. It was a bad one, no doubt. Buy still only one, and one they fixed.
 
Quinton McLeod said:
*sigh*
Anyway, we're getting off topic.

The point is, Microsoft and Sony were forced to show their hand after the release of the Wii U. If Nintendo hadn't moved, then Microsoft and Sony would still be content with the Xbox 360 and the PS3. There's evidence of this everywhere. One big notable thing is the PS4 being rushed as it is.
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Oh man.... It sucks that Nintendo's 3 years behind on software though. =(
 
Reiko said:
I need to know how a 1.2TFLOP GPU is hot. Unless something has changed...
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1) There is a TDP budget that takes into account Software properly using the hardware efficiencies. Poor software code can cause the SoC to be above power limits.

A rule of thumb is that memory uses 40% of the SoC power budget. With Embedded memory being more efficient, Durango Game code should use less power than the PS4 which does not have embedded memory and uses GDDR5.

2) The Sony PS4 is probably using HSA/HSAIL engine and OpenGL which makes using AMD libraries easier than a WinRT engine with Windows8.
 
I must be lucky, if GAF was to be believed then launch PS3s are all dead and about on par with RROD, thankfully I have a launch day 20GB PS3 that still works flawlessly.
 
Quinton McLeod said:
*sigh*
Anyway, we're getting off topic.

The point is, Microsoft and Sony were forced to show their hand after the release of the Wii U. If Nintendo hadn't moved, then Microsoft and Sony would still be content with the Xbox 360 and the PS3. There's evidence of this everywhere. One big notable thing is the PS4 being rushed as it is.
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It's amusing how you try and point out how the PS4 is 'being rushed' because of the Wii U when the latter hit the market months ago and so far as had fuck all software to show for it. The Wii U is dying on its arse and is being outsold by PS3/360 (the PS3 of which continues to to see a substantial amount of software, and will do into the holidays) with the next generation of those systems looming on the horizon.
The PS4/720 are due to release because they are successors to consoles currently on the market which have declining sales, it has nothing to do with when the Wii U was released. The Wii U was probably released to try and placate the dwindling Wii sales and capture the market before the PS4/720 released, and it's failed miserably to do that.
 
grimshawish said:
That looks dangerously like a product life cycle graph!
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Why yes, yes it does.

It and similarly declining software graphs presumably have Andrew House and Don Mattrick shaking in their stylish, yet affordable, boots much more than a system selling ~35K a week globally.

And are why their new hardware launches are planned for this year.
 
but Thuway didnt say also that durango devs kit have 7970's in it and for some weird reason after they will be downgraded?

(im still asking myself what could be that reason)

was this true or not?...i mean everything is different between a 77xx and a 7970 also if we just look just an closed enviroment as console r...a devkit with 77xx is totally different froma devkit with a 7970 in it...performance/bus..everything


i could take the "heat problem" rumor as good... just if theres an 7970 in it for real :D


so i think r just rumors...i think we all will be suprised when they will show durango may 21
 
Satchel said:
The PSX and OG Xbox were both indestructible.

If we're looking at the history of reliability issues, Sony had 2 unreliable console launches, Microsoft had one. It was a bad one, no doubt. Buy still only one, and one they fixed.
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The original PS1 was far from indestructible, after a while they needed to be stood on their side/upside down(I think due to the laser).
 
Angelus Errare said:
I must be lucky, if GAF was to be believed then launch PS3s are all dead and about on par with RROD, thankfully I have a launch day 20GB PS3 that still works flawlessly.
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Near launch fatty going strong here too. It doesn't get to stretch its legs much these days unfortunately. I'll be sad when it eventually dies.

And I've only had one RROD. Truly I am blessed.
 
DieH@rd said:
Among other things, Truway gave us correct DDR3, ESRAM i GDDR5 bandwith speeds way before they were reported on VGleaks and PS Meeting. He's legit.
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He PM'd me about parts of "inside" information, he called it the vegetable buss (trying to not get his source in trouble). I posted back to him about the Onion buss in I think Trinity Fusion and mentioned in the Samara and Pennar GNB Linked in cites I'd already posted.

So yes, he is probably getting inside info that's not too much beyond what a NDA would allow.
 
Angelus Errare said:
I must be lucky, if GAF was to be believed then launch PS3s are all dead and about on par with RROD, thankfully I have a launch day 20GB PS3 that still works flawlessly.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

I just sold my 2007 fat which was still working. But I sold it because I feared it would break down. Like most of them it got louder and louder and showed signs of gpu failure.

Go check eBay for 60GB ps3 auctions and see how often the phrase "re-balled" comes up.

Or be obtuse, either way.
 
Cerebral Assassin said:
The original PS1 was far from indestructible, after a while they needed to be stood on their side/upside down(I think due to the laser).
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The "upside down" PSX issue/fix was due to the plastic catch for the pop up drive lid failing due to wear, at least it was for mine.
 
DieH@rd said:
Among other things, he gave us correct DDR3, ESRAM i GDDR5 bandwith speeds way before they were reported on VGleaks and PS Meeting. He's legit.
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i remember threads were literally every single post was blasting him as useless, rumor monger who knows nothing, etc. and he was literally banned multiple times over (false?) rumors as well.

seems people change the credibility of the poster by whether they like the current rumor. as of now suddenly thuway is ironclad i guess.

anyways, these rumors are interesting i guess, but barring a rrod scenario, i honestly dont care if next gen consoles are "rushed". hell half life 3 will be said to be "rushed" when it comes out and it will take 20 years. just get the product out the door already.
 
jeff_rigby said:
He PM'd me about parts of "inside" information, he called it the vegetable buss (trying to not get his source in trouble). I posted back to him about the Onion buss in I think Trinity Fusion and mentioned in the Samara and Pennar GNB Linked in cites I'd already posted.

So yes, he is probably getting inside info that's not too much beyond what a NDA would allow.
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so how u explain the 7970 Thuway rumor ?
 
specialguy said:
i remember threads were literally every single post was blasting him as useless, rumor monger who knows nothing, etc. and he was literally banned multiple times over (false?) rumors as well.

seems people change the credibility of the poster by whether they like the current rumor. as of now suddenly thuway is ironclad i guess.
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crazy buttocks on a train is definitely an ironclad poster, but I suppose people are going to start questioning his veracity when they don't like what he has to share? This works both ways.
 
specialguy said:
i remember threads were literally every single post was blasting him as useless, rumor monger who knows nothing, etc. and he was literally banned multiple times over (false?) rumors as well.

seems people change the credibility of the poster by whether they like the current rumor. as of now suddenly thuway is ironclad i guess.
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Last two times he's been banned was for thread whining and insider teasing. I can't comment if there have been others.
 
ThisWreckage said:
crazy buttocks on a train is definitely an ironclad poster, but I suppose people are going to start questioning his veracity when they don't like what he has to share? This works both ways.
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yep, he is, and i trust him.

although, i think he has been wrong before and it was pointed out recently? but i dont remember details. of course he's not infallible, but he's one of the best.

funny thing about buttocks, SURELY he types that way on purpose as part of an act, right? LOL. There cant be somebody that scatterbrained and careless can there?
 
in a thread full of nonsensical jabbering, quinton mcleod's declaration that the ps4 and durango had their hands forced by the dumpster fire that it is the wii u is the most laughable insinuation of all time
 
I understand not wanting to believe rumors and leaks, but i don't understand trying to discredit every insider here considered reliable with jack shit to back that up.
 
ThisWreckage said:
crazy buttocks on a train is definitely an ironclad poster, but I suppose people are going to start questioning his veracity when they don't like what he has to share? This works both ways.
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Where did he say the 720 was having heat problems? He didn't.

upJTboogie said:
I understand not wanting to believe rumors and leaks, but i don't understand trying to discredit every insider here considered reliable with jack shit to back that up.
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I just want to know why Thuway is considered reliable? If it is the bandwidth specs then that was talked about back in January. Or should we just shut up and believe everything he says.
 
upJTboogie said:
I understand not wanting to believe rumors and leaks, but i don't understand trying to discredit every insider here considered reliable with jack shit to back that up.
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Especially when some of those posters have been spot on with information multiple times. Plans change and no one is perfect, but there is a pattern of "correct more than not" developing with some of these posters.
 
There isn't even a reason to panic. You can't make a bad purchase now, and when the option is available you will know everything you need to make an informed purchase.
 
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