peanutbutterlatte
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The Kid Icarus |OT| has 238 pages. You think it's outsold Mario 3D Land?
Super Mario 3D Land is the best Mario game since Mario 64.
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The Kid Icarus |OT| has 238 pages. You think it's outsold Mario 3D Land?
grandjedi6
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I'm not talking about sales...
Kid Icarus undeniably gets more love and attention than 3D Land, on VG forums.
peanutbutterlatte
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You just said you were! You're making fuck-all sense.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
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I don't agree with the OT, I think both Galaxy games are better. 3D Land is too easy when you abuse the Tanooki suit, even with the difficulty spike going up when you reach the second part of the game. Still, it's the best handheld Mario since Super Mario Land 2 Six Golden Coins on Gameboy. It's even better.
I don't agree with the OT, I think both Galaxy games are better. 3D Land is too easy when you abuse the Tanooki suit, even with the difficulty spike going up when you reach the second part of the game. Still, it's the best handheld Mario since Super Mario Land 2 Six Golden Coins on Gameboy. It's even better.
I just 100% completed this two days ago. Somehow got back into it. Amazing game.
I guess I should say I've 99.5% completed it. I did the final, final level once through with Mario, but I've yet to do it with Luigi. I kept trying but Luigi's higher jump through me off. I'll go back to it, but is there anything after this other than bragging rights?
The power ups aren't timed, but they are gone if you're hit once. It's much less forgiving than timed power ups of previous games.
The point is: in SM3DL you kill enemies primarily by jumping on their heads because the controls are good enough for it. I re-played SMG2 after SM3DL and was shocked at how more floaty the controls were and how stomping enemies wasn't as easy or intuitive.
And ?
I didn't care about sales, and I still don't. Even if I'm quite happy that Nintendo sold 8 millions copies. Totally deserved...
The "problem", in my opinion, is the lack of enthusiasm around this game, here on GAF, or on other VG forums. 3D Land is not as popular, "talked-about", as it should be (just like NSMBU).
PS : Might be the fact that I'm not using the word "popularity" the right way ? (as you can see, English is not my mother tongue). It is not synonymous with "commercial success" to me.
I do kind of understand understand what you mean, Setsuna. 3D Land's reception seems to have been more lukewarm compared to the other 3D Mario games (except for Sunshine I suppose). But "Popularity" might not be the right word to use, yeah.
Well I do think that's where the differences end. Obviously there's a difference in battery to accommodate for the larger screen, but there seem to be no other notable differences from what we know (which admittedly is limited to dissections and the like), so I think it's more likely that you're noticing differences because of the firmware update. But you're right, there might be more we don't know of!
Well I do think that's where the differences end. Obviously there's a difference in battery to accommodate for the larger screen, but there seem to be no other notable differences from what we know (which admittedly is limited to dissections and the like), so I think it's more likely that you're noticing differences because of the firmware update. But you're right, there might be more we don't know of!
So playing with a single analog stick and face buttons is harder to control a platformer than...
...a single analog stick with face buttons?
ThreeSixty
December 16, 2009. 4:00 AM. THE LIGHT FIELD is the force. The mind. That guides. Controls.
Agreed a hundred percent. I'm not entirely certain 3D Land is above the Galaxy series (never played those games) but I completed the game over Christmas on my nephew's 3DS XL and was shocked at how good the game was. It's a game that is definitely on par if not superior to Mario 64. Nintendo development at its finest. Every second of the game is an enjoyable experience. It's a joy to play and one of the primary reasons to get a 3DS.
My nephew also had New Super Mario Bros 2 (which I played to completion) and I felt 3D Land was far superior. NSMB2 was good but 3D Land was on another level.
My nephew also had New Super Mario Bros 2 (which I played to completion) and I felt 3D Land was far superior. NSMB2 was good but 3D Land was on another level.
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why do people have any problem with the analog stick. psp's stick is understandable, literally tiny. 3DS one is really well designed and worked well for every game i played!
Yeah that 400p resolution would be ACE on a giant television!
Dion Blaster
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Yeah, I just meant that I like how powerups function like in 2D games. The game becomes a little to easy with them on though imo. Especially the raccoon suit. Obviously this could be pretty easy to fix by simply making the game harder.
That's the point for me either. SM3DL in comparison to Galaxy just feels so accurate to me, that's why I would prefere it almost over every other Mario.
With SM3DL Nintendo created a new kind of Mario game and I think it deserves to be re-visited more. A SMG2-style sequel would be glorious. Heck, I would take even a big DLC expansion.
Magicpaint
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3D Land is a very different kind of 3D Mario compared to the others. It's almost like SMB3 in 3D.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I honestly think there's some sort of problem with your thumb if you hate the circle pad. It's leaps and bounds ahead of the PSP's corrugated nipple.
I love the circle pad, it's great. Compared to the psp's worst analogue stick of all time it's a godsend, even without that comparison it's great.
As different as Galaxy is to Mario 64, in fine.
But your comparison is quite right, Magicpaint. 3D Land really is faster paced, more "intense" than its 3D predecessors (particularly SM64). More focused on platforming than exploration, like a 2D game.
My bad, then.
SlowRevolution
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Got it yesterday, really enjoying it so far. It definitely makes the 3D sweet spot stand out in a really negative way, though; for me at least playing it without 3D on can be a huge pain in the ass since the perspective seems off a lot of the time, so I'm forced to play it in 3D where you need to hold it just right. First 3DS game for me so I guess it's just an adjustment thing, but the 3D (even though it looks pretty good some of the time) has been a pretty big negative for me so far.
Soundtrack isn't great either.
Soundtrack isn't great either.
shouamabane
Member
I hope Nintendo is going in that direction.
Anyone who puts what is almost a Ti-81 Calculator game Mario Land over any of the Marios is a loon or is running off of nostalgia fumes. Take your pick.
MuddyDonut
Member
Thought the game was fucking boring, with a couple of bright spots. I like it, but all this praise completely eludes me.
okay
that's like comparing shit to polished shit
I want to play 3D Land with a real analog stick. Wii U analog stick is god tier.
Neff
Member
In that case it's fortunate that, aside from their Game & Watch legacy, Nintendo have never released such a game in the franchise.
Magicpaint
Member
Sunshine is so underrated. It has some of the best level design in the entire series. FLUDD-less levels = gaming nirvana.
Galaxy isn't as dramatically different. It's still objective based like SM64 which was already a huge departure, but it does tone down the exploration and open-endedness and of course the new gravity mechanics add a new dimension. Still, they're cut from the same cloth.
Dave Meltzer
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The FLUDD-less levels are great which makes the rest of the game feel shit.
It feels like a generic 3D platformer with a dumb gimmick. It's nowhere near Galaxy or 64 except when there's no FLUDD.
It feels like a generic 3D platformer with a dumb gimmick. It's nowhere near Galaxy or 64 except when there's no FLUDD.
Magicpaint
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Personally I loved how much the FLUDD added to Mario's moveset and really made him incredibly versatile. I liked having a mix, though I would have liked even more FLUDD-less levels.
Naked Snake
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It really says a lot about the quality of this series when the worst game on that list was still a landmark of entertainment in my life, with unforgettable memories playing multiplayer at work in our cubicles.
peanutbutterlatte
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Depends if you mean the multiplayer with Mario and Luigi and minigames. The latter was easily the best multiplayer fun you could have on the DS.
TimeEffect
Member
So, I got SML3D like 2 days ago.
I know it's supposed to bite-sized, but man, the game is so easy (just started the special levels). It's my biggest fault with the game, as I'm flying through it. I'd hope for at least leaderboards/other competitive features for replays, but I'm not really seeing that. Mind you, I do enjoy the game, it's just the Mario itch I've been looking for. I also wished there were a ton of touch-based minigames like the DS version. I also owned Mario Kart 7 and was disappointed with how barebones it was.
The only other Mario game I've owned/played through is Super Mario Bros. Deluxe for GBC.
Mario games (and Nintendo games in general) are why I want GC, Wii, Wii U, but since all I have is a 3DS, I'm limited.
I remember playing Sunshine and loving how open that game was. I really wish SML3D was more like that. I'm guessing the main Mario games have open worlds, unlockable areas, side-missions, etc?
Do you guys think we'll see games like SMSunshine ported to 3DS? I'd love to finally own and try a full Mario experience.
I know it's supposed to bite-sized, but man, the game is so easy (just started the special levels). It's my biggest fault with the game, as I'm flying through it. I'd hope for at least leaderboards/other competitive features for replays, but I'm not really seeing that. Mind you, I do enjoy the game, it's just the Mario itch I've been looking for. I also wished there were a ton of touch-based minigames like the DS version. I also owned Mario Kart 7 and was disappointed with how barebones it was.
The only other Mario game I've owned/played through is Super Mario Bros. Deluxe for GBC.
Mario games (and Nintendo games in general) are why I want GC, Wii, Wii U, but since all I have is a 3DS, I'm limited.
I remember playing Sunshine and loving how open that game was. I really wish SML3D was more like that. I'm guessing the main Mario games have open worlds, unlockable areas, side-missions, etc?
Do you guys think we'll see games like SMSunshine ported to 3DS? I'd love to finally own and try a full Mario experience.
eXistor
Member
I think Sunshine is great and all, but the game has some shitty levels and the camera has to be one of the worst in a Nintendo game, it just actively acted against the player. Personally though, I feel the level-design is the weakest of the 3D games, but I'll agree that I still think it's underrated. FLUDD gets too much shit, I had a ton of fun screwing around with that.
This is a random question, but how do those Mystery Box streetpass things work in this game? I got a couple of them last night in the city and tried them out, then noticed a third one this afternoon at home when I checked my 3DS as it was charging. I don't think it's very likely that I got a Streetpass in the apartment, so I'm just trying to figure out if this was somehow a leftover one from being out and about last night or not.