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Amir0x

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what did you tv folk think about how the show handled the Wall climb?

I was saying I thought it felt like the world's most epic Cliffhanger remake
 
I loved it. The interactions between Arya/Melissandre, Osha/Merra were great but the best one was the one between Olenna Tyrell and Tywin. That disgusting guy with Theon is like a skilled version of that awful Joffrey boy. And it's quite funny to see the strong and determined Brienne in that ridiculous pink dress. I was also expecting Frey to be more angry with Robb for disrespecting his agreement.
 

Madness

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what did you tv folk think about how the show handled the Wall climb?

I was saying I thought it felt like the world's most epic Cliffhanger remake

Honestly? It diminished my feelings about the wall. I mean, this is what's supposedly kept the rest of Westeros safe, and it takes some random people, some rope, some ice shoes and picks to climb to the top unchallenged.

In my mind, I thought the wall would be like Everest. Take days to climb, you'd have to have beds with you, and stay suspended for a long time. How is this going to keep the White Walkers at bay, when a teenage girl like Ygritte or whatever who says she's never climbed it before can do it on the first go?

I loved the graphics and effects they used for the show though. And I truly thought Ygritte would die here or something.

On an unrelated note, Baelish is turning out to be quite a smart character and almost villain. I think Varys is right. He's gone from some dumb master of coin/brothel owner, to being Lord of Harrenhal and soon to marry a high born lady and be lord of another part as well. Instantly he's become someone who has as much power as any of the other lords.
 

Violet_0

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I think the ice wall climb might have been the most 'unrealistic' scene of the show so far

glad to see Joffrey back in Joffrey mode

Littlefinger is a magnificent bastard, I kind of want him to win the game of thrones heh
 

Phoenix

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Honestly? It diminished my feelings about the wall. I mean, this is what's supposedly kept the rest of Westeros safe, and it takes some random people, some rope, some ice shoes and picks to climb to the top unchallenged.

In my mind, I thought the wall would be like Everest. Take days to climb, you'd have to have beds with you, and stay suspended for a long time. How is this going to keep the White Walkers at bay, when a teenage girl like Ygritte or whatever who says she's never climbed it before can do it on the first go?

I loved the graphics and effects they used for the show though. And I truly thought Ygritte would die here or something.

On an unrelated note, Baelish is turning out to be quite a smart character and almost villain. I think Varys is right. He's gone from some dumb master of coin/brothel owner, to being Lord of Harrenhal and soon to marry a high born lady and be lord of another part as well. Instantly he's become someone who has as much power as any of the other lords.

He has become extremely dangerous because he is extremely ambitious and clearly has a plan that has been underway for some time - no doubt funded by the realm through embezzled funds.
 
Honestly? It diminished my feelings about the wall. I mean, this is what's supposedly kept the rest of Westeros safe, and it takes some random people, some rope, some ice shoes and picks to climb to the top unchallenged.

In my mind, I thought the wall would be like Everest. Take days to climb, you'd have to have beds with you, and stay suspended for a long time. How is this going to keep the White Walkers at bay, when a teenage girl like Ygritte or whatever who says she's never climbed it before can do it on the first go?

I loved the graphics and effects they used for the show though. And I truly thought Ygritte would die here or something.

On an unrelated note, Baelish is turning out to be quite a smart character and almost villain. I think Varys is right. He's gone from some dumb master of coin/brothel owner, to being Lord of Harrenhal and soon to marry a high born lady and be lord of another part as well. Instantly he's become someone who has as much power as any of the other lords.

I think the wall still serves an important purpose. Sure a few raiders can get over, but try doing it with any army big enough to challenge the Starks. It's like a pasta strainer. Sure, some stray spaghetti strands will get through but the bulk are contained.
 

Violet_0

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Littlefinger's speech combined with the music and other scenes was awesome. Jeoffrey is messed up.

Littlefinger is one of my favorite characters in the show, and he had the best moment in this episode. It helps that I always think of him as Carcetti whenever he's on the screen

so that Lord of Light thing is shaping up to be a major plot point in the series, it seems. War, undead, dragon lady and now a fire god, Westeros just can't get a rest
 

Madness

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Has Joffrey ever mentioned the rumors about his uncle and his mother?

Yeah, remember in season 2, he goes I heard a disgusting lie about you and uncle Jamie the other day. And Cersei said that his enemies will say anything to weaker his claim to the throne and he goes, it's not a claim the throne is mine.

He then starts asking if his dad fucked other women when he got tired of her and got slapped.
 
Something is confusing me about the Brotherhood. Were they always religious? Or did Thoros just happen to be a priest who was with them and only when the miracle of bringing Beric back did they all start believing in the Lord of Light? Like was Beric into the religion before he was revived?

Yes. Ned Stark sent Beric to deal with the Mountain, and his friend Thoros went with him. The Mountain defeated them and killed Beric, and Thoros revived him; when the band saw that, they converted to the Lord of Light.
 
I think the wall still serves an important purpose. Sure a few raiders can get over, but try doing it with any army big enough to challenge the Starks. It's like a pasta strainer. Sure, some stray spaghetti strands will get through but the bulk are contained.

Besides, it was built to stop hordes of mindless ice zombies, not random poor people.
 
Which episode did they say it? I must've missed it.

Also, it's rich of Robb to say he has a war to fight, or no time to haggle. As if he he needs the men immediately and yet he beheaded Karstark right away. He could have waited. Plus, when it was his turn, he went gallivanting off to ask for supplies or fall in love with the Volantis girl. I was wrong about Robb though, the guy is pretty selfish/hypocritical and sort of naive like Sansa.

At this point, I'd rather just have Tywin be the rightful king, he seems to have his shit together.
Robb is definitely his parents son. The idiocy of his mother in making compulsive and wrong decisions combined with the arrogance to call it honourable like his father
 
Okay, I want to know who was the designer who though convincing westorosi crampons meant modern crampons but with rabbit fur for the straps.

Maybe it's because I recently tried out mountaineering last year but that really just seemed too convenient...
 

Xamdou

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Not a bad ep, Tywin continues to be a badass regardless of who he faces. Epic wall climb was awesome, and Mellisandre speaking High Valyrian was a big surprise for me. Does that mean shes related to the Targaryans?

Baelish speech was so good it was the highlight the the entire ep!

Episode was just a setup of the something big, how many eps in this season?
 

darthbob

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Not a bad ep, Tywin continues to be a badass regardless of who he faces. Epic wall climb was awesome, and Baelish speech was so good it was the highlight the the entire ep!

Episode was just a setup of the something big, how many eps in this season?

10, as always.
 

torontoml

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Not a bad ep, Tywin continues to be a badass regardless of who he faces. Epic wall climb was awesome, and Mellisandre speaking High Valyrian was a big surprise for me. Does that mean shes related to the Targaryans?

Baelish speech was so good it was the highlight the the entire ep!

Episode was just a setup of the something big, how many eps in this season?
High Valerian is more common outside of westeros isn't it? The slaver even spoke it thinking Danny didn't
 
Not a bad ep, Tywin continues to be a badass regardless of who he faces. Epic wall climb was awesome, and Mellisandre speaking High Valyrian was a big surprise for me. Does that mean shes related to the Targaryans?

Baelish speech was so good it was the highlight the the entire ep!

Episode was just a setup of the something big, how many eps in this season?
Valyria is a place on the other side of the sea from Westeros. People there spoke Valyrian

I'm not sure how common it is though, its probably the equivalent of Latin
 
LOL - A sword swallower through and through.... she is awesome. My new favorite character!

Yes. Every scene with Olenna Tyrell is phenomenal. Tonight Lord Tywin got to do a linguistic dance with her and it was great.

Fault me for been in awe of what I was watching/hearing, but I had to watch the scene with Lord Baelish and Varys twice, just to make sure he was talking about Joffrey being his friend, the one wanting the fresh experience. Not only is that shit affecting what we saw in the montage, but it has ominous intentions going forward. Does this put the Lannisters back in the drivers seat with what's happening at Kings Landing?

Poor Sansa, I feel so bad for the poor girl. The mental torture she's enduring is far worse than anything that's physically happening to Theon. He's a scumbag, Sansa is unfairly in a bad place with more bad times coming.
 

KorrZ

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Honestly? It diminished my feelings about the wall. I mean, this is what's supposedly kept the rest of Westeros safe, and it takes some random people, some rope, some ice shoes and picks to climb to the top unchallenged.

In my mind, I thought the wall would be like Everest. Take days to climb, you'd have to have beds with you, and stay suspended for a long time. How is this going to keep the White Walkers at bay, when a teenage girl like Ygritte or whatever who says she's never climbed it before can do it on the first go?

I loved the graphics and effects they used for the show though. And I truly thought Ygritte would die here or something.

On an unrelated note, Baelish is turning out to be quite a smart character and almost villain. I think Varys is right. He's gone from some dumb master of coin/brothel owner, to being Lord of Harrenhal and soon to marry a high born lady and be lord of another part as well. Instantly he's become someone who has as much power as any of the other lords.

The Night's Watch is severely weakened right now though. They mentioned today that they've only been getting more worn down over time. I imagine in the past they actually had the proper manpower to keep constant patrol all along the top of the wall. If that were still the case there's no way a group of them like that would ever make it up the wall.
 

Phoenix

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Chaos isn't a pit - Chaos is a ladder.
Many who try to climb it fail, never get to try again.
The fall breaks them.

And some are given a chance to climb, they refuse.
They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.
Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is....


And strangely enough... I actually believe this :)
 

Amir0x

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Honestly? It diminished my feelings about the wall. I mean, this is what's supposedly kept the rest of Westeros safe, and it takes some random people, some rope, some ice shoes and picks to climb to the top unchallenged.

In my mind, I thought the wall would be like Everest. Take days to climb, you'd have to have beds with you, and stay suspended for a long time. How is this going to keep the White Walkers at bay, when a teenage girl like Ygritte or whatever who says she's never climbed it before can do it on the first go?

I loved the graphics and effects they used for the show though. And I truly thought Ygritte would die here or something.

Interesting. Well, there's a few things - and you can find some of this stuff on the supplemental material on the blu-rays - that when the wall was supposedly built, it was infused with a sort of magic (nobody knows how/what/who, etc). That is what has kept the White Walkers at bay supposedly, not just the height.

Also, Mt. Everest is 29,000 feet or some shit vs. 700 feet for The Wall so of course it's not going to be that ;)

The other thing, and they touched on it in this episode, was that the current Night's Watch is painfully understaffed. Used to be that there were crows enough to line the entire wall, end to end. Now they can only garrison a few castles along the wall and only the occasional look outs. So yeah, it's a lot easier for Wildings to get over now... so:

partoftheproblem.jpg
 

Sober

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Interesting. Well, there's a few things - and you can find some of this stuff on the supplemental material on the blu-rays - that when the wall was supposedly built, it was infused with a sort of magic (nobody knows how/what/who, etc). That is what has kept the White Walkers at bay supposedly, not just the height.

Also, Mt. Everest is 29,000 feet or some shit vs. 700 feet for The Wall so of course it's not going to be that ;)

The other thing, and they touched on it in this episode, was that the current Night's Watch is painfully understaffed. Used to be that there were crows enough to line the entire wall, end to end. Now they can only garrison a few castles along the wall and only the occasional look outs. So yeah, it's a lot easier for Wildings to get over now... so:

partoftheproblem.jpg
Are there any other actual wildings on the wall or is it just Ygritte, Jon Snow, Giantsbane and the Worg dude? Although I wouldn't be surprised if they just had Ygritte and Jon Snow peace out after all the nasty business at the wall ends.
 
Does anyone lose more than Sansa? She has to be the biggest punching bag on TV right now.
This time it was a blessing in disguise IMO. Marrying Loras might have provided her safety, but it would further relegate her current pawn status.

She has much more power than she realizes, and she needs to start using it for herself.
 
And strangely enough... I actually believe this :)

Yet the show juxtaposed LF's calling those things illusions with Jon and Ygritte, who's loyalty, love, and willingness to sacrifice for each other is what gets to overcome the wall and climb to the top.

Those things are only illusions to a cynical man like LF because he can't personally experience it.
 
Great episode.

Choas is a ladder.

What was the ship that Sansa was crying about at the end? Littlefinger leaving?

Wasn't there a Ros boob shot at the end?

That was the ship she was going to get smuggled out on before she said no based on her little fantasy of getting married to Tyrell.

The girl at the end was the one was Tyrion was mistaken to want to marry if I remember correctly.



Does anyone lose more than Sansa? She has to be the biggest punching bag on TV right now.

Can't wait to see her snap.

Was sad not to see Sansa's face when she was told of her new fate though.
 

Madness

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Interesting. Well, there's a few things - and you can find some of this stuff on the supplemental material on the blu-rays - that when the wall was supposedly built, it was infused with a sort of magic (nobody knows how/what/who, etc). That is what has kept the White Walkers at bay supposedly, not just the height.

Also, Mt. Everest is 29,000 feet or some shit vs. 700 feet for The Wall so of course it's not going to be that ;)

The other thing, and they touched on it in this episode, was that the current Night's Watch is painfully understaffed. Used to be that there were crows enough to line the entire wall, end to end. Now they can only garrison a few castles along the wall and only the occasional look outs. So yeah, it's a lot easier for Wildings to get over now... so:

partoftheproblem.jpg

Yeah. Plus it doesn't help that like 200 of them got slaughtered by the white Walkers as well and so even Castle Black is probably understaffed.

And not necessarily like Everest. But since the first time I saw the intro, they showed the wall as this imposing thing, that no one could cross, separating westeros from the true north. So high up, you need that elevator, it's almost unclimbable and takes a few days and only the best climbers can do it. And they show Jon and Ygritte, who are like two teenagers and have never climbed it before, scale it within a day you know.

Just my own observation, I thought it'd be more imposing than it was made out be. Interesting that you say there is some magic that guards the wall. Probably true, otherwise how else could anyone build such a wall that never melts, stays strong etc.

Was a great scene though.
 
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