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[MormaPope]

I don't think there's any evidence suggesting its fake and I have found Ars to be credible in the past. I believe it.

Thanks for the answer. With a lot of the responses in this thread I have no clue if this is true or just another rumor/source.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

Looks like VGleaks were right then? Good news.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Alleged. So in summary, you're believing rumors, but discrediting others, as other users have.

I'm not discrediting other rumors, I fully believe the EDGE rumor and the VGLeaks rumor, even though both are seemingly contradictory (EDGE said always online, VGLeaks said always online then said no always online). It's more than likely they did fully intend to have always online but backtracked over Sweet Billy-gate and/or other reasons.

You on the other hand have to cast doubt over the authenticity of this report and of Ars Technica, something you have repeatedly failed to do to a satisfactory level in this thread.

 

[Neuromancer]

Any chance I could write a few lines and say I got them in an email too, to get page hits or stir up discussion?

Do you work for a site as credible as Ars and are you willing to throw away that credibility? If so, then go for it.

 

[MikeE21286]

Yep, rumours are rumours and should always be treated as such.

But let's not forget the whole Orthy fiasco. I think that's when MS decided to take a step back.

Pure speculation here....but maybe that's why the reveal date moved?

The initial reveal was setup for late April, not late May

 

[Impeccable]

So is this true or a rumor?

The thread title leads me to believe it's true, but the actual article doesn't confirm authenticity at all.

It's a rumour. Although the website in question apparently the second coming which does no wrong so it's "confirmed" or something.

 

[Mik_Pad]

Great news I hope this is true, Personally I don't 100% believe this rumor just because an Internal email like that seems weird but it could have been a controlled leak by MS to end all this always on rumors, which IMO is a great move by MS.

 

[Takuya]

I'm not discrediting other rumors, I fully believe the EDGE rumor and the VGLeaks rumor, even though both are seemingly contradictory (EDGE said always online, VGLeaks said always online then said no always online). It's more than likely they did fully intend to have always online but backtracked over Sweet Billy-gate and/or other reasons.

You on the other hand have to cast doubt over the authenticity of this report and of Ars Technica, something you have repeatedly failed to do to a satisfactory level.

There is no confirmation of this e-mail even existing, or it even being real. Yet you choose to believe it is (for who knows what reason). Good for you if you trust Ars. They haven't really posted anything about next-gen, whilst other sites have, and some have even been on-the-ball.

 

[lethial]

I wonder if there will be a world wide crow shortage come the 21st.

 

[jordan0386]

BUT. Why would it not have worked without internet?

#facepalm

A VIDEOGAME console, isnt some big-ass wifi device people. Never has, never will.

 

[Coin Return]

Awesome news. Now just show me the games so I can solidify my purchase.

 

[BruiserBear]

It's worth pointing out for the "haha, knew it all along" crowd.

It's very possible this changed only recently, and in fact the plans were originally that an online connection was required for any game to play. Microsoft may have realized over the past month or two that a lot of people were not going to tolerate this policy.

 

[MasLegio]

Sony/Euro gaf kills me.

MS bad news/rumor = embrace it like the 2nd coming!
MS good news = dismiss and put forth conspiracy theories up the ass

I like how you equate bad news with rumor all by yourself
very telling

 

[XtremeXpider]

I'm not discrediting other rumors, I fully believe the EDGE rumor and the VGLeaks rumor, even though both are seemingly contradictory (EDGE said always online, VGLeaks said always online then said no always online). It's more than likely they did fully intend to have always online but backtracked over Sweet Billy-gate and/or other reasons.

You on the other hand have to cast doubt over the authenticity of this report and of Ars Technica, something you have repeatedly failed to do to a satisfactory level in this thread.

VGLeaks NEVER said always online required.

 

[D4Danger]

It's a rumour. Although the website in question apparently the second coming which does no wrong so it's "confirmed" or something.

who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?

Ars is a credible site. More credible than anonymous pastebins and twitter users with 5 followers.

 

[Reiko]

It hurt Kojima the most, the downgrade from TGS 2005 trailer to E3 2006 trailer was massive. Kojima had to abandon his vision for the game thnx to that downgrade. No wonder why Sony didn't work with nvidia on Vita or PS4.

I think they conned Microsoft too with the Xbox GPU.

Speaking of Metal Gear, it's amazing how Ground Zeroes visually is on par & better with the original MGS4 vision.

 

[DopeyFish]

who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?

Ars is a credible site. More credible than anonymous pastebins and twitter users with 5 followers.

And definitely far more reliable than edge

 

[Salaadin]

It comes from two things

The system is always online. This doesn't mean it has to be online, just the system can use an Internet connection when it is in its low power state

The system REQUIRES an Internet connection. It, however, doesn't require a constant Internet connection.

You get illiterate people reading these things and boom! Stupid rumors ahoy!

I agree here. I see "Always online" and "always on" being used in situations where it should be "internet required". It causes all sorts of confusion.
One can even argue that the consoles we have today are "always on" but they certainly arent "internet required".

Has there been any speculation on the 2 rumored Durango SKUs? Could the "cheaper", subsidized model have something built in that requires online just to verify that payments are being made or something? Could that have added to this confusion?

 

[A good poster]

It's worth pointing out for the "haha, knew it all along" crowd.

It's very possible this changed only recently, and in fact the plans were originally that an online connection was required for any game to play. Microsoft may have realized over the past month or two that a lot of people were not going to tolerate this policy.

This is how I feel. Too many past rumors pointing towards that before it was apparently changed.

 

[rakkadakka]

Although the website in question apparently the second coming which does no wrong so it's "confirmed" or something.

There's a large gap between the second coming and a website that you can trust.

With the state of online journalism and the rush to publish anything, I can see how you can confuse the two.

 

[Impeccable]

who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?

Ars is a credible site. More credible than anonymous pastebins and twitter users with 5 followers.

What are you talking about? I don't understand personally how Ars is a credible site and have asked people for examples and so far all I got was a link to iOS 6 review.

Like I'm relieved that everyone on NeoGAF has blind faith in this and I'm glad it's been dispelled so to speak but I can't help treat this like a rumour personally still when I have no first hand knowledge of Ars' past.

Not sure how that means I'm upset or angry.

 

[gregor7777]

It's a rumour. Although the website in question apparently the second coming which does no wrong so it's "confirmed" or something.

Woah man, take it down a few notches.

Some websites shave more cred than others, and Ars is one you can generally trust. They've been doing this inside info thing for awhile now.

Given some of the posts here it's almost as if people want to hear bad Durango news. Why is that?

 

[grimshawish]

Sony/Euro gaf kills me.

MS bad news/rumor = embrace it like the 2nd coming!
MS good news = dismiss and put forth conspiracy theories up the ass

"euro gaf" what the fuck is this shit?

 

[The Omega Man]

I agree with you, but I also would have said the same thing about Ken Kutaragi who is an amazing hardware designer

But Kutaragi was always a cocky SOB who never listened to anyone, people warned him about the complexity of the hardware, the costs, the lack of proper documentation (at least at the beginning) and he ignored all of that and ended paying the price for that.
Cerny's approach has been the total opposite of that.

 

[Sean]

Alleged. So in summary, you're believing rumors, but discrediting others, as other users have.

Do you seriously believe that a big name reputable site like Ars Technica (which has been around for fifteen years) would make up a completely bullshit story just two weeks before the official announcement and risk their credibility?

 

[kaching]

It comes from two things

The system is always online. This doesn't mean it has to be online, just the system can use an Internet connection when it is in its low power state

The system REQUIRES an Internet connection. It, however, doesn't require a constant Internet connection.

You get illiterate people reading these things and boom! Stupid rumors ahoy!

It's pretty crass to call people illiterate over a statement like "it's required, but not really". There's no right way to read that without more info from the source, thus far not given.

 

[Talon]

"euro gaf" what the fuck is this shit?

European-GAF is Sony territory.

 

[Marleyman]

This doesn't really do much for me as I wasn't believing "always connected" anyway. I am pumped to see what they show in a few weeks.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

You on the other hand have to cast doubt over the authenticity of this report and of Ars Technica, something you have repeatedly failed to do to a satisfactory level in this thread.

There is no confirmation of this e-mail even existing, or it even being real. Yet you choose to believe it is (for who knows what reason). Good for you if you trust Ars. They haven't really posted anything about next-gen, whilst other sites have, and some have even been on-the-ball.

Exhibit A.

A better question would be why are you choosing to believe that Ars Technica are not fully credible or even most likely to credible on this? Sounds like you even question whether the email actually exists and genuinely believe this whole thing was pulled out of a desperate editor's ass as a hit fish.

I'd love to hear your reasons, outside them posting something which may be positive for Microsoft (obviously you're upset about that)

 

[Baconsammy]

There's a large gap between the second coming and a website that you can trust.

With the state of online journalism and the rush to publish anything, I can see how you can confuse the two.

Yep, when it comes to credibility, ARS has it. None of the gaming sites do. Sad for the industry we love, but true.

 

[DragonSworne]

Do you seriously believe that a big name reputable site like Ars Technica (which has been around for fifteen years) would make up a completely bullshit story just two weeks before the official announcement and risk their credibility?

What if they are being tricked by a hoax?

 

[SniperHunter]

Speaking of Metal Gear, it's amazing how Ground Zeroes visually is on par & better with the original MGS4 vision.

The original vision of MGS4 was about destructible environments, hence the tagline "no place to hide." They are on the right track with Fox Engine, but consider the amount of damage done by that shitty MGS4 engine....they have released two games in this generation, MGS4 and Peace Walker..

lying about specs and sending ultra powerful dev kits to developers is insane and totally stupid. This is why Sony started out with weak kits this time and gradually increased the specs.

 

[DopeyFish]

It's pretty crass to call people illiterate over a statement like "it's required, but not really". There's no right way to read that without more info from the source, thus far not given.

It's not crass at all.

I have even clarified the meaning since day one and people choose to look the other way.

The phrase always on/always online has meant the same since it was originally used.

 

[Takuya]

Do you seriously believe that a big name reputable site like Ars Technica (which has been around for fifteen years) would make up a completely bullshit story just two weeks before the official announcement and risk their credibility?

Who's to say that Ars' source is feeding them bullshit, and Ars is buying it? At worst, Ars fires the editor saying "He did not check his sources thoroughly enough, we apologize for the inconvenience, he has since been relieved of his duties.".

 

[A good poster]

What if they are being tricked by a hoax?

They wouldn't have posted anything, unless they were 100% sure.

Who's to say that Ars' source is feeding them bullshit, and Ars is buying it? At worst, Ars fires the editor saying "He did not check his sources thoroughly enough, we apologize for the inconvenience, he has since been relieved of his duties.".

More unrealistic than just believing they know what they're talking about.

 

[LuchaShaq]

This has to be a reaction to people flipping out right? Otherwise they would have squashed the rumors when they were going insanely negative.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

It's a rumour. Although the website in question apparently the second coming which does no wrong so it's "confirmed" or something.

You sound salty.

 

[Extra Sauce]

lol people actually believed the always online thing.

Based on the tweets of what's his face before he "resigned", it sounds like it might have been the plan all along but Microsoft is now back pedalling due to the overwhelming negative reaction. We may never know.

 

[la flama blanca]

...

Let's take a look at your post history shall we?

What gaming brand are you loyal to?








Yeah...I'm going to guess that's not the reason why you got so butt-hurt at my post. In fact, I'd say you are the prime example of the kind of person I was talking about, which is why you got so butt-hurt. This is fucking hilarious. So EMOTIONALLY INVESTED my man.

Baited. Awesome, thanks for the laugh.

 

[Pyramid head]

Sony/Euro gaf kills me.

MS bad news/rumor = embrace it like the 2nd coming!
MS good news = dismiss and put forth conspiracy theories up the ass

Do we really live in a world where a console not bricking for no real reason is "good news"?

 

[grimshawish]

European-GAF is Sony territory.

Yes. Only Sony consoles sell in Europe and only Europe buys Sony consoles.
Its a ridiculous and frankly bizarre statement.

 

[Takuya]

Exhibit A.

A better question would be why are you choosing to believe that Ars Technica are not fully credible or even most likely to credible on this? Sounds like you even question whether the email actually exists and genuinely believe this whole thing was pulled out of a desperate editor's ass as a hit fish.

I'd love to hear your reasons, outside them posting something which may be positive for Microsoft (obviously you're upset about that)

1. The source isn't Ars. I'm not questioning Ars, I'm questioning the rumor (the alleged e-mail, which we don't even have).
2. Ars can be credible to you all you want them to be, doesn't mean their source is valid.

 

[D4Danger]

What are you talking about? I don't understand personally how Ars is a credible site and have asked people for examples and so far all I got was a link to iOS 6 review.

Like I'm relieved that everyone on NeoGAF has blind faith in this and I'm glad it's been dispelled so to speak but I can't help treat this like a rumour personally still when I have no first hand knowledge of Ars' past.

Not sure how that means I'm upset or angry.

Well this is a rumour. Everything is a rumour until Microsoft release the Xbox I guess.

I don't know why you're getting so worked up about Ars though. There's enough people in this thread who know who they are that they accepted the news at face value and almost every gaming site picked it up within an hour which should tell you something.

This isn't some fly-by-night wordpress blog looking for some quick ad revenue.

 

[uncledonnie]

It's worth pointing out for the "haha, knew it all along" crowd.

It's very possible this changed only recently, and in fact the plans were originally that an online connection was required for any game to play. Microsoft may have realized over the past month or two that a lot of people were not going to tolerate this policy.

No. Online-required was never plausible and many of us were saying that all along. It cuts out major segments of the global market right from the get-go. It may not even be legal in some markets.

I understand people latched onto this because of the volume of rumors, or because they wanted to believe it. But I don't believe for a second this is a change in course.

 

[Dave Long]

I'll believe it when I see it, regardless of the veracity of the site in question. Even reading the quote there is interpretation that can easily mean games are tied to a single console, which for me as a consumer is pretty much the same as always on because I really don't own the game... just a license to use that disc on that box.

That's something I really don't approve of as a customer.

 

[DragonSworne]

Based on the tweets of what's his face before he "resigned", it sounds like it might have been the plan all along but Microsoft is now back pedalling due to the overwhelming negative reaction. We may never know.

If true, Orth should have been promoted not fired.

He saved MS.

 

[Reiko]

The original vision of MGS4 was about destructible environments, hence the tagline "no place to hide." They are on the right track with Fox Engine, but consider the amount of damage done by that shitty MGS4 engine....they have released two games in this generation, MGS4 and Peace Walker..

lying about specs and sending ultra powerful dev kits to developers is insane and totally stupid. This is why Sony started out with weak kits this time and gradually increased the specs.

True.

 

[Dlacy13g]

Good.

Still don't want to pay for Gold though.

Then don't pay for it. Problem solved.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Remember when the Xbox 360 wouldn't match the PS3 in multiplats because the PS3 was too powerful?

Not only do I remember this, I remember the meltdowns with people blaming the 360 for the poor PS3 ports.

Those were such great times. It's good to see them being repeated again.

 

[stktt]

What if they are being tricked by a hoax?

What if they aren't?