Microsoft: Next Xbox will work even when your Internet doesnt
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peanutbutterlatte
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I think they'd be pretty dumb not too.
They'll still probably charge for online and attempt to murder couch multiplayer though.
They'll still probably charge for online and attempt to murder couch multiplayer though.
maquiladora
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Wow at that meltdown. This topic really brings out stuff in some people.
VGleaks is just reposting the Ars stuff.
Oh crap. Thanks for posting this. Right Click > Save As
I cant wait for 5/21. I hope MS comes right out and says "no online required" or some people will try to spin that too. I just want these rumors put to rest for good.
BRocknRolla
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Good riddance.
Brilliant.
It's not all that strange if people at Microsoft have been questioning whether or not they'll have to be always-online too.
Personally, I'm REALLY frustrated by Halo 4's "you gotta be logged into LIVE to do co-op." Hey, guys, I brought Halo 4 to my school to get in on some sweet Halo 4 action at a school-sponsored shindig, and it kinda sucks we can't do the Spartan Ops missions just because our school's firewall blocks Live.
Ohwell, the worst implementation I've seen is still Ubisoft. Was on a long ride this past weekend, wasn't driving, booted up my laptop to play some Settlers VII, and nope, no internet connection, so I can't access my saves or DLC. Wat.
I do about 90% of my splitscreen gaming with first party Xbox games. So far, I've only been letdown by Forza Horizon, but, hey, it's an open-world game that they already halved the framerate for, so I can't be too butthurt. If someone's trying to murder couchplayer, it's not Microsoft.
Personally, I'm REALLY frustrated by Halo 4's "you gotta be logged into LIVE to do co-op." Hey, guys, I brought Halo 4 to my school to get in on some sweet Halo 4 action at a school-sponsored shindig, and it kinda sucks we can't do the Spartan Ops missions just because our school's firewall blocks Live.
Ohwell, the worst implementation I've seen is still Ubisoft. Was on a long ride this past weekend, wasn't driving, booted up my laptop to play some Settlers VII, and nope, no internet connection, so I can't access my saves or DLC. Wat.
I do about 90% of my splitscreen gaming with first party Xbox games. So far, I've only been letdown by Forza Horizon, but, hey, it's an open-world game that they already halved the framerate for, so I can't be too butthurt. If someone's trying to murder couchplayer, it's not Microsoft.
Baconsammy
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Exactly. There's no reason for most people working on the project to know about the online component consists of. I bet the vast majority of them have no idea what the new XBL is going to resemble.
BruiserBear
Banned
So people have to eat crow because Microsoft quite possibly made a shift in strategy? lol, ok
It's also very possible they're still going to require an "authorization" of a game before it can be played offline, so in a sense they're still requiring an online connection at some point in the process. That alone would still be a big shift in policy.
It's also very possible they're still going to require an "authorization" of a game before it can be played offline, so in a sense they're still requiring an online connection at some point in the process. That alone would still be a big shift in policy.
This is normal practice in big businesses with big projects developed by large teams.
digoutyoursoul
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I just hope the dashboard itself is much better than the current 360 one. Player profiles, compare achievements and that sort of stuff via the guide button is great as it is imo but maybe they will extend it with shared game photos, video etc ?
To be fair to VGLeaks they were the first to report that a Internet connection wasn't required. Then it was Polygon who said it was a publisher's decision and now the Ars Technica article.
No, they have to eat crow because they said the Xbox would be always online, and, if this is taken at face value (and there's no reason why not at this stage), they are not. So all the doom and gloom, all the "I'll never touch Microsoft again," all the "Microsoft is evil," all the insipid, stupid, moronic hyperbole that was spouted is, ultimately, wrong.
And when you're wrong, but, more importantly, a total drama queen about it, you should eat crow.
Of course, Ars could be wrong (though were I a betting man, I wouldn't bet against Ars, of all sites), and those people could still be right. Who knows?
Microsoft, and only Microsoft, at this point.
Baconsammy
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There's rumors covering that too. Apparently the UI has undergone a significant change from what the 360 currently has. I would be surprised if it didn't mirror Win 8 in some way, though.
that's what they always do, yet people eat their articles up as truth.
They may be, but it's never their own work so to say.
digoutyoursoul
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Significant sounds good, the NXE was much better than as it currently stands in my opinion.
Dreamgazer
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Crows are to be served based on the end result.
Same to Sony's upgrade to 8GB GDDR5. People aren't allowed to dodge crows just because it's some last minute decisions on Sony's part.
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OT: If you assume this rumor to be true, then is the "EA will grant an exclusive for always-online" rumor supposed false?
Syphon Filter
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MS is not going to change their strategy for a vocal minority,it was never in the plans.
ChosenPredator
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Yeah, I've always thought it's purely a publisher decision to make the game fully online no matter what console it maybe on, there is already tons of online only games coming out.
Youre right. Im just saying that VGleaks reposting the Ars article doesnt really mean anything.
This whole thing will be interesting when we finally get confirmation on 5/21. Whos reputable? Edge? Kotaku? Ars? VGleaks? So many sites will either be shit on or lifted high on that day.
Im really curious now about that pastebin from a few weeks ago where that guy tweeted Cheesemeister, Wario64, and a few others claiming that online wasnt required AND that the system was full BC. So far, one side of that pastebin looks to be true.
They include their own opinions and thoughts in the articles way too much. "Not on our own work" sounds like an out just in case they end up being wrong.
No, people have to eat crow because they assumed rumors to be true mostly because they wanted to believe them, with absolutely nothing official to go on even though that information was forthcoming in the near future.
Jumping the gun + narrative creation = a lot of bitter crow if it doesn't work.
Is where you work comparable to an organization as big as MS to make such a comparison?
BlazingDarkness
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Good to see MS finally confirm it, took them long enough.
tfur
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I have worked both large federal and large corporate, and I am glad I never had to experience such a thing on projects I directly worked on. What a nightmare it must be in that environment.
It would certainly explain the schizophrenia of Windows 8: Metro Paywall vs. Operating system. It almost feels like 2 different companies were brought together, and then glued together by accountants. It actually explains a lot.
Not if the game in question is the supposedly multiplayer-only Respawn game.
Ace Harding
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Yep, this is why you don't freak out and start posting nonsense (and articles *cough* EDGE *cough*) as if rumors are facts before anything is officially confirmed. Edge freaking doubled down on that rumor - some serious crow-eating needed there.
Even if they were thinking about it, I never thought they'd follow through with it. It would be such a stupid decision.
Granted there still may be some difference forms of DRM that suck, but we don't know anything yet.
Edit: And the whole argument that "but they probably just shifted strategy" is moot. Even if they were considering it, it clearly wasn't finalized. They probably thought about doing all kinds of awful shit they won't follow through with. Saying "man it would suck if they did this" is one thing, but too many people were spouting that "MS sucks, guess I'm not buying the 720 lol" nonsense.
Even if they were thinking about it, I never thought they'd follow through with it. It would be such a stupid decision.
Granted there still may be some difference forms of DRM that suck, but we don't know anything yet.
Edit: And the whole argument that "but they probably just shifted strategy" is moot. Even if they were considering it, it clearly wasn't finalized. They probably thought about doing all kinds of awful shit they won't follow through with. Saying "man it would suck if they did this" is one thing, but too many people were spouting that "MS sucks, guess I'm not buying the 720 lol" nonsense.
Baconsammy
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The topic didn't bring it out of him. A troll did. And that troll got banned as well. E3 is going to be nuts.
Dreamgazer
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Amen.
Psycho_Mantis
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MS never confirmed this.
No I'm pretty sure its going to be great. Cannot wait for the new games and new consoles.
Proelite
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Microsoft employees work on a need to know basis. I won't be surprised if source code, specs, etc for current project are off limits unless you get access approval.
Considering that they do a lot of enterprise contract work, it's pretty much necessary.
Dlacy13g
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I think the funniest part about all this is... all of this is 100% speculation on rumored leaks from "sources" from the original "always on" rumor to the stuff leaked today debunking. Right now we all will learn the truth come May 21st and until then all we know are 100% pure rumors from un-named sources. CONFIRMED!
Deuterium
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I don't understand the logic going on, here. I mean, isn't the "Always Online, Always Connected" also just a rumor, at this point??
So, its like pc gaming then?
People questioning Edge on the same level of Kotaku is silly. You question an outlet based on their overall output and not just lynch them if they are wrong one time.
I don't hold them down to the same standards as Kotaku whose credibility hinges a lot more on their sources being accurate since they have been more dodgy.
That's what you have to do with sources. You have to peg their reliability based on their overall accuracy over time.
ThisWreckage
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That sounds quite ridiculous. I'm sure Sony didn't go to such lengths and they managed to have surprises in their conference. I'll still maintain that all of this secrecy just bathed them in negative publicity more than anything.
Psycho_Mantis
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Yes you are right. They are two conflicting rumours.
Baconsammy
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You're sure, huh? How sure are you?
maybe it was the moronic hyperbole that caused the shift in policy? If so then, thanks to the all the moron hyperbolsts!
graywolf323
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hopefully it's true but it doesn't make sense to me with all the bad press and rumors why Microsoft doesn't just say this publicly
Proelite
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It's industry standard for big corporations. The only exception that I know of is Google.
I question Edge not because of them starting the rumor but because they posted follow-up articles where they flat out acted like their rumor was the truth. I dont even think they referred to it as a rumor in their follow ups.
Others dont have to see it this way but I really question their credibility because of that.
BruiserBear
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Because they wanted to believe them?
How about because sites like Edge reported it, and many leaks from other sites included actual documentation from the development kits that seemed to imply an internet connection was required to use the console.
I work for a pretty big company. Not Microsoft big, but few are. I've never seen an email about a project re-iterate rather obvious details like this Microsoft email did today.
Cut and paste the text of the email into a local Word doc. Scan that Word doc to pdf and then email the pdf to your main gmail account. Email that pdf to your "anonymous" gmail account and then forward it to your media outlet of choice.
An equally important issue for me.
Im not sure why an email like this one would need to mention used games.
Punkster_NY
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a little over 2 weeks away.... eeek!
They're still six months away from launch. It's plausible that they've never actually sent out an email like this before.
because it is for public consumption and written to quell rumours.
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