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[Ghost]

So why does Malcolm care that he's beaten the shit out of Oliver a couple of times? Cant get my head round that considering he had no problem killing his Dad.

Also, does anyone else find it hard to buy John Barrowman beating the utter shit out of anyone? Maybe I just watched too much Dr Who.

 

[Discotheque]

So why does Malcolm care that he's beaten the shit out of Oliver a couple of times? Cant get my head round that considering he had no problem killing his Dad.

Also, does anyone else find it hard to buy John Barrowman beating the utter shit out of anyone? Maybe I just watched too much Dr Who.

he's tommy's best friend (well...was).

so he had a brief moment of sympathy when he found out ollie was the green arrow. that will obviously not be present next episode though.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

So why does Malcolm care that he's beaten the shit out of Oliver a couple of times? Cant get my head round that considering he had no problem killing his Dad.

Also, does anyone else find it hard to buy John Barrowman beating the utter shit out of anyone? Maybe I just watched too much Dr Who.

Well, if we consider his 'special connection' with Moira, it could be that Ollie is his son?

I expect the special connection is as simple as their decision to kill Robert and sink the Queen's Gambit, but there's that niggling doubt that there's more, a lot more, to the Moira/Malcolm/Ollie dynamic after this episode.

 

[Anbokr]

I expect the special connection is as simple as their decision to kill Robert and sink the Queen's Gambit, but there's that niggling doubt that there's more, a lot more, to the Moira/Malcolm/Ollie dynamic after this episode.

Yeah I think so. Any chance that Moira is the lady paying Fyers? Always seems like there is more to Moira than meets the eye. She kidnapped and tortured her own son, convinced her husband to fight the Undertaking and then was complicit in his murder (and complicit in the murder of Ollie in a sense, she let him get on that boat), paid the Triad to assassinate Malcolm, betrayed and killed her closest ally in the fight against Malcolm, played the pity card on the Arrow and then shot him. What else am I missing lol? She's a master manipulator. Maybe I'm reading too much into it and Moira really is just a regular old mom trying to protect her family and getting forced into horrible situations, but I think there's a chance that she's playing everyone and her ignorant mother act is just a facade.

She could make for an interesting villain (given that she's Ollie's mother) in future seasons if she survives the finale.

edit: The biggest part that I don't understand is why she would convince Robert to rebel against Malcolm and prevent the Undertaking, but then turn around and help Malcolm kill him? I really hope that's explained in the finale. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's stated several times and officially revealed that she knew about the Queen's Gambit being sabotaged when Diggle overhears her talking to Malcolm? Her face when douchebag Ollie shows up before the Gambit takes off also betrays a certain knowledge of the plot.

 

[dragonelite]

Well, if we consider his 'special connection' with Moira, it could be that Ollie is his son?

I expect the special connection is as simple as their decision to kill Robert and sink the Queen's Gambit, but there's that niggling doubt that there's more, a lot more, to the Moira/Malcolm/Ollie dynamic after this episode.

I dont think moira had anything to do with sinking the ship and wasn't part of the pack back then.

Ollie kick malcolms ass with dingle or stupid Roy at the finale stop the earthquake device.
Doesn't kill him completely Tommy finds extra suit discovers his dad is the black archer.
Goes looking for his dad finds that his dad got ass whopped by dingle, ollie and that other wall flip guy.

Brings his dad to safety. Either malcolm dies from his wounds and tells tommy to go to some kung fu/archer learning place. Or they both go and to that kung fu/archer learning place and tommy goes back later to finish the undertaking in season 2 or 3 malcolm stays behind as a back up super villain that can come back in later season being even more alpha as fuark.

ooh god this fucking thread im writing fanfic shit :'(

 

[Rokam]

Yeah I think so. Any chance that Moira is the lady paying Fyers? Always seems like there is more to Moira than meets the eye. She kidnapped and tortured her own son, convinced her husband to fight the Undertaking and then was complicit in his murder (and complicit in the murder of Ollie in a sense, she let him get on that boat), paid the Triad to assassinate Malcolm, betrayed and killed her closest ally in the fight against Malcolm, played the pity card on the Arrow and then shot him. What else am I missing lol? She's a master manipulator. Maybe I'm reading too much into it and Moira really is just a regular old mom trying to protect her family and getting forced into horrible situations, but I think there's a chance that she's playing everyone and her ignorant mother act is just a facade.

She could make for an interesting villain (given that she's Ollie's mother) in future seasons if she survives the finale.

Honestly I think the only way she does survive is if she's a villain.

 

[Bladenic]

They'll find out that they are siblings in the 2nd season.

Oliver's new love interest.

Also, Oliver is grade A asshole. No wonder Tommy eventually becomes evil.

This post had me dying

 

[Angelus Errare]

Potential new show annoucements at Comic Con?

*fingers crossed for official Booster Gold announcement*

Catwoman show, sorry.

Try really squishing a pen you will also shake.

Yea but after you've caught the arrow it's no longer in motion thus negating the need to continually squeeze it as if that was the only thing preventing it from killing you.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Yea but after you've caught the arrow it's no longer in motion thus negating the need to continually squeeze it as if that was the only thing preventing it from killing you.

I squeeze stuff when I'm pissed. It's gotten me a few public indecency charges.

 

[dragonelite]

I squeeze stuff when I'm pissed. It's gotten me a few public indecency charges.

Hulk?

 

[Angelus Errare]

I squeeze stuff when I'm pissed. It's gotten me a few public indecency charges.

You shouldn't touch kids like that.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

You shouldn't touch kids like that.

I was squeezing myself thank you.

Otherwise, that'd be molestation charges.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I was squeezing myself thank you.

Otherwise, that'd be molestation charges.

Well you only get charged if you get caught, and seeing as you're on GAF...shall I report you? D:

 

[Metalmarc]

Here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ISFwWnFDfR0

Just rewatched it and that's definitely Barrowman.

Are you ready

Spoiler

4justice

They wouldn't use any of those characters would they?

 

[Funky Papa]

I won't be able to catch up until tomorrow night. Meh.

Was it a good episode?

 

[wildfire]

Yeah I think so. Any chance that Moira is the lady paying Fyers?

I suspect whoever that woman is will be the next big bad boss for season 2. It can't be Moira.

It pretty much was. Imagine this entire show from Tommy's point of view.

- Starts out as a douchebag party boy with a crush on his best friend's girl
- Best friend dies
- Continues to pursue best friend's girl cause he's hopelessly in love
- Changes himself to become a good man, she begins to fall for him
- Best friend that girl might also still love returns, all badass and scarred and shit
- Is thrown out by his dad
- Is given a pity job by his best friend (that his girl might still love)
- Actually manages to do the job well and attains some self-respect and pride
- Turns out best friend is a serial killer who is still in love with his girl
- Tries to do "the right thing" and leaves girl because he just wants her to be happy with the best friend
- Goes back to dad cause he's got nothing else. Gets a pity job.
- Best friend comes back and lecture bombs him, leading him to believe that he can be happy with the girl
- Goes to girl's apartment to find best friend nailing his girl.

I agreed with everything you said except the bolded. That wasn't a pity job. That was a moment of triumph for Merlyn because he got his son back after making himself into a better person.

Merlyn didn't give it to him out of pity. He gave it to him because Tommy is his son who learned a valuable lesson after some tough love and he is grateful that in spite of how extreme his actions were he luckily got his son to come back to him.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I won't be able to catch up until tomorrow night. Meh.

Was it a good episode?

Yep

I suspect whoever that woman is will be the next big bad boss for season 2. It can't be Moira.



I agreed with everything you said except the bolded. That wasn't a pity job. That was a moment of triumph for Merlyn because he got his son back after making himself into a better person.

Merlyn didn't give it to him out of pity. He gave it to him because Tommy is his son who learned a valuable lesson after some tough love and he is grateful that in spite of how extreme his actions were he luckily got his son to come back to him.

Ok, that's true enough.

 

[Effect]

Such a dick move i love it.

Try really squishing a pen you will also shake.

It looks like he's trying to hold in the laugh after doing it.

 

[fallengorn]

I caved and watched the preview for next episode. Sooo hyped!

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Man, I am so down for Tommy becoming the Dark Archer at this point and smashing Ollie's face in next season.

But I don't want Malcolm to die

But Tommy seems to be too... noble, to kill innocent people. So I could see him becoming more of an anti-hero than a supervillain.

I hope he doesn't stay a jealous prat and actually... tries to do interesting stuff as a villain if that is indeed what happens.

 

[DominoKid]

Malcolm was on Scandal last night but he didnt really have much to do.

Is he confirmed as an S2 regular?

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I hate Roy. He's such a dick. "Ohhh, I lost someone, your brother is weak." Dumbass.

Edit: I hope Walter returns. Colin Salmon is awesome. Also, he's a pretty decent father figure for Thea and maybe Oliver.

 

[fallengorn]

Man, I am so down for Tommy becoming the Dark Archer at this point and smashing Ollie's face in next season..

I don't see that happening next season, unless he's been secretly training for the past year or so. If they are going to turn Tommy into a full on enemy next season, the most I can see him doing is levering his company against Queen Consolidated and possibly hiring people to smash Ollie's face for him.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I don't see that happening next season, unless he's been secretly training for the past year or so. If they are going to turn Tommy into a full on enemy next season, the most I can see him doing is levering his company against Queen Consolidated and possibly hiring people to smash Ollie's face for him.

That's cool too.

He's a corporate villain in Season 2, while secretly undergoing training and making his appearance in S3. But that would be the mot obvious thing ever.

It's kinda hard to see him as the Dark Archer, honestly. I mean... everyone would know that it's him.

 

[DominoKid]

I don't see that happening next season, unless he's been secretly training for the past year or so. If they are going to turn Tommy into a full on enemy next season, the most I can see him doing is levering his company against Queen Consolidated and possibly hiring people to smash Ollie's face for him.

i think (hope) that's gonna be what it is. Tommy's "job" with his father is learning to be a badass instead of a beta.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

i think (hope) that's gonna be what it is. Tommy's "job" with his father is learning to be a badass instead of a beta.

Twiiiiiiiiiiist

 

[Wozzly]

Why did they wait so long to show how badass Malcolm is!? I hope the two of them have an epic confrontation in the finale. I need to re-watch it.

How sweet would it be that Malcolm kills Roy in front of Oliver and Thea...oh poetic justice.

 

[Hobbun]

How sweet would it be that Malcolm kills Roy in front of Oliver and Thea...oh poetic justice.

I actually think it would be better if Malcolm killed Thea in front of Ollie (could care less about Roy).

Ollie would go ballistic.

Edit: I also think that is what would cause Ollie to best Malcolm (he keeps getting his ass kicked from him).

 

[Shadow780]

Such a dick move i love it.

This man is the biggest psychopath of the show's universe.

 

[hwalker84]

Why is Malcolm able to kick Ollie's ass like that? Who the hell trained him? Ollie was on the island for 5yrs Malcolm trained for what... 5 Month's?

 

[Tugatrix]

Why is Malcolm able to kick Ollie's ass like that? Who the hell trained him? Ollie was on the island for 5yrs Malcolm trained for what... 5 Month's?

who told you it was 5 month's? i belive it was a lot more...

 

[Hobbun]

Why is Malcolm able to kick Ollie's ass like that? Who the hell trained him? Ollie was on the island for 5yrs Malcolm trained for what... 5 Month's?

From what I recall Malcolm left because he was so overwrought with grief with his wife dying and could not raise Tommy, so he disappeared “for a long time” and then came back being who is now.

But not sure if they every specified how long it was.

 

[Chucker]

From what I recall Malcolm left because he was so overwrought with grief with his wife dying and could not raise Tommy, so he disappeared “for a long time” and then came back being who is now.

But not sure if they every specified how long it was.

That's what I assumed as well. Why become a brilliant planning villain, when you can also train and become an archer as well.

 

[Hobbun]

That's what I assumed as well. Why become a brilliant planning villain, when you can also train and become an archer as well.

The more I think about it…didn’t Tommy say in one of the episodes that he was 12 when his mom died? So that gives somewhat of a timeframe (if it's accurate) as I’m guessing Tommy is at least in his mid 20s.

Of course we don’t know how long Malcolm tried to make a go of it with Tommy until he ran off. But my impression is that it wasn’t too long.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

I actually think it would be better if Malcolm killed Thea in front of Ollie (could care less about Roy).

Ollie would go ballistic.

Edit: I also think that is what would cause Ollie to best Malcolm (he keeps getting his ass kicked from him).

Also, Thea getting killed is the only way I can see Roy taking on the "Speedy" name.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Why is Malcolm able to kick Ollie's ass like that? Who the hell trained him? Ollie was on the island for 5yrs Malcolm trained for what... 5 Month's?

About two years. Ended up in a place called Nanda Parabat. Met a man who helped him see clarity. Turned into a badass.

Malcolm Merlyn is just a bigger badass than Ollie, that's why it took him only a year or two to train to a superior level. Also, he was an adult when he suffered his loss and underwent the journey. Ollie was just a dumbass kid.

 

[Kouichi]

Also, Thea getting killed is the only way I can see Roy taking on the "Speedy" name.

Since Ollie never refers to himself as Green Arrow, I don't think Roy will ever come himself Speedy. Though I bet they'll make little references to his comic book name like a random thug saying, "Wow this guy has got quite an Arsenal."

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Since Ollie never refers to himself as Green Arrow, I don't think Roy will ever come himself Speedy. Though I bet they'll make little references to his comic book name like a random thug saying, "Wow this guy has got quite an Arsenal."

 

[Kouichi]

Haha. I'm expecting the scene to happen when the thug sees this:

 

[Clevinger]

Roy, what are you overcompensating for?

 

[hwalker84]

Felicity was in full blown "I want the D Oliie" mode. LOL!

 

[ReiGun]

"Rocket launcher on my back...Nah, I'll just use an arrow."

 

[Kouichi]

"Rocket launcher on my back...Nah, I'll just use an arrow."

Arrows are cool tho.

 

[fallengorn]

Roy, what are you overcompensating for?

His parkour skillz.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

Poor Tommy. First his best friend, then his money, then his best friend again, then his girlfriend to his best friend.

Also, two references in one episode (Ferris Air and Geo-Force)? Awesome.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Why is Malcolm able to kick Ollie's ass like that? Who the hell trained him? Ollie was on the island for 5yrs Malcolm trained for what... 5 Month's?

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I believe.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Such a dick move i love it.

This is gonna get some use. So good.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Yeah, Nanda Parbat, who else would. Him or Sensei.

 

[Angelus Errare]

The more I think about it…didn’t Tommy say in one of the episodes that he was 12 when his mom died? So that gives somewhat of a timeframe (if it's accurate) as I’m guessing Tommy is at least in his mid 20s.

Of course we don’t know how long Malcolm tried to make a go of it with Tommy until he ran off. But my impression is that it wasn’t too long.

Pretty sure they said Tommy and Ollie are late 20s.