Sapphire Dreams
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Ouya launch delayed to June 25, controller defect being fixed
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Backer I presume?
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Ah. That's interesting to hear. Do you know if it's the clear version of the controller or the second version that has silver grey handles?
One of my engineers pointed me to this earlier today. It's very telling of the problems we've been seeing. Man I hope they make an attempt to fix this.
More info on the practically unusable controllers. http://t.co/nO6yVPmy91
Usual controller analogue plot
The ouyas, basically an 8 way stick with a walk/run low and high level. Cheap, and disasterous on games that don't expect it.
Holy shit lol.
RocketDarkness
Member
Courtesy of Jehde @ SA:
Honestly, I can survive if the dev controllers aren't perfect and we even have to pay to replace them or whatever. I just want them to fix the retail versions so our game will run as expected.
"We're sorry, Ouya controllers are not supported at this time" doesn't seem like the best option for shipping our game.
EDIT: and lol at the Ouya logo
More info on the practically unusable controllers. http://t.co/nO6yVPmy91
Usual controller analogue plot
The ouyas, basically an 8 way stick with a walk/run low and high level. Cheap, and disasterous on games that don't expect it.
If I'm looking at that right, it maxes out at .6 or so in 45 degree angles. Wow.
RocketDarkness
Member
Bail out. Check out the conversion rates from the first few waves of OUYA. Keep in mind that these are backers, so they're probably more inclined to buy games for it than the average person.
http://forums.ouya.tv/discussion/comment/11186/#Comment_11186
(A Google doc)
Grampa Simpson
Banned
I've been reading about this in the dev forums. It sounds like a software problem - hopefully it's something that can be fixed in the controller firmware.
Jesus
Can only hope those devs didn't spend much on development, but games aren't free to develop
Sapphire Dreams
Member
More info on the practically unusable controllers. http://t.co/nO6yVPmy91
Usual controller analogue plot
The ouyas, basically an 8 way stick with a walk/run low and high level. Cheap, and disasterous on games that don't expect it.
Holy shit wow...
Thanks for the concern. We're not betting on big sales. We're just testing the waters.
More info on the practically unusable controllers. http://t.co/nO6yVPmy91
Usual controller analogue plot
The ouyas, basically an 8 way stick with a walk/run low and high level. Cheap, and disasterous on games that don't expect it.
Ugh, forget it, I'm not playing Mario 64 and the likes with that shit.
CrunchyFrog
Member
More info on the practically unusable controllers. http://t.co/nO6yVPmy91
Usual controller analogue plot
The ouyas, basically an 8 way stick with a walk/run low and high level. Cheap, and disasterous on games that don't expect it.
yikes
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Ouno!
thomasmahler
Moon Studios
Doesn't the Ouya work with 360 wireless controllers? That Ouya controller always looked like an anti-ergonomic, cheap piece of crap.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
What a disaster. And that's supposed to be the ANALOG stick lol
The ouyas, basically an 8 way stick with a walk/run low and high level. Cheap, and disasterous on games that don't expect it.
oh my... well that's what you have for paying 99$
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Someone is going to give me shit about being a flip-flopper for this, but I just received my Ouya. I have always had high hopes for it, but unfortunately my first couple of hours have been somewhat negative.
Unboxing the unit was fine. It was definitely a lower cost piece of hardware than I'm used to, and the core box itself seems great. I was able to power it on without a problem and it immediately booted. I had no problem getting it on to my wireless and linking to my Ouya account. This was all fine.
I picked up the controller and it felt great in my hands. The four triggers feel great. I'd even put the analog r2/l2 above the DS3s, but not above the 360's.
I already know about the analog stick issues from other points in this thread. I'm going to ignore those for right now, since they're software, and are probably solvable in firmware, or possible to compensate for in software.
Now for the part where I get to complain.
The D-Pad is bad. It's mushy. It seems like it has the normal buckling membrane buttons that we're all so used to, but something is very not right with it.
The other problem is the face buttons. They are at least easy to describe. They feel mostly fine - mostly like the 360's buttons (this is what I'm using as a comparison right now, but I could pull out Wii, Wii U, PS3, DS, 3DS, CC, CC Pro, and Logitech F310, not to mention NES, SNES, and Genesis upstairs), but they're missing something simple - A hard stop. The controller lets me push them too far in. I think this at least could be fixed easily in manufacturing. It's probably just a small design change.
Of course, now that I've gotten this far, I should finish out with my last two gripes - these are more personal preference, and don't *need* to be resolved.
The button naming is wrong. OUYA seems like it's a great idea in concept, but in practice it's confusing. I am a long time Nintendo gamer, so in my case I'd prefer it if they'd have picked it's naming scheme, but really, they should have just copied Microsoft's. An ABXY flipped either way would have made me happy.
The other issue that doesn't *need* to be resolved is the lack of a start or select button. My initial thought was that most developers would just use hot spots on the touchpad, but that's really not what's happening in practice. In practice they junk either X or Y for a menu button.
I LOVE what Ouya is trying to do. Unfortunately it feels like an industrial designer that doesn't game was asked to design a control pad. It felt good in his hands and the buttons work, and the faceplates were nifty - he's done.
They need to go back and fix these things before they release in stores. They should keep manufacturing consoles, but the controllers just aren't right. They need to cook more. They need to consult Logitech maybe. $100k to logitech would be a cheap price to pay to get the controllers right before this thing goes retail.
Unboxing the unit was fine. It was definitely a lower cost piece of hardware than I'm used to, and the core box itself seems great. I was able to power it on without a problem and it immediately booted. I had no problem getting it on to my wireless and linking to my Ouya account. This was all fine.
I picked up the controller and it felt great in my hands. The four triggers feel great. I'd even put the analog r2/l2 above the DS3s, but not above the 360's.
I already know about the analog stick issues from other points in this thread. I'm going to ignore those for right now, since they're software, and are probably solvable in firmware, or possible to compensate for in software.
Now for the part where I get to complain.
The D-Pad is bad. It's mushy. It seems like it has the normal buckling membrane buttons that we're all so used to, but something is very not right with it.
The other problem is the face buttons. They are at least easy to describe. They feel mostly fine - mostly like the 360's buttons (this is what I'm using as a comparison right now, but I could pull out Wii, Wii U, PS3, DS, 3DS, CC, CC Pro, and Logitech F310, not to mention NES, SNES, and Genesis upstairs), but they're missing something simple - A hard stop. The controller lets me push them too far in. I think this at least could be fixed easily in manufacturing. It's probably just a small design change.
Of course, now that I've gotten this far, I should finish out with my last two gripes - these are more personal preference, and don't *need* to be resolved.
The button naming is wrong. OUYA seems like it's a great idea in concept, but in practice it's confusing. I am a long time Nintendo gamer, so in my case I'd prefer it if they'd have picked it's naming scheme, but really, they should have just copied Microsoft's. An ABXY flipped either way would have made me happy.
The other issue that doesn't *need* to be resolved is the lack of a start or select button. My initial thought was that most developers would just use hot spots on the touchpad, but that's really not what's happening in practice. In practice they junk either X or Y for a menu button.
I LOVE what Ouya is trying to do. Unfortunately it feels like an industrial designer that doesn't game was asked to design a control pad. It felt good in his hands and the buttons work, and the faceplates were nifty - he's done.
They need to go back and fix these things before they release in stores. They should keep manufacturing consoles, but the controllers just aren't right. They need to cook more. They need to consult Logitech maybe. $100k to logitech would be a cheap price to pay to get the controllers right before this thing goes retail.
Diablohead
Member
Oh I thought the controller defect was latency, so is there still lag from the controller?
Also sucks for those who have their OUYA already (not the dev version)
*edit* holy shit at that 'analog' stick input, if you can even call it one.
Also sucks for those who have their OUYA already (not the dev version)
*edit* holy shit at that 'analog' stick input, if you can even call it one.
I think this is more to do with copyrights then just not going with ABXY
Grampa Simpson
Banned
It's hard to imagine that it's a copyright, patent, or trademark thing - unless they're going to try and attempt to copyright a button naming convention.
There's just been too many versions of the same thing over the years:
Right-Left:
Left-Right:
Nintendo, NEC, and Sony go right to left, and Sega and MS go left to right.
I could find some more examples, but I got bored.
There are of course some oddball Nintendo ones out there too.
I don't think there would have been any copyright issues.
Baller. PhD
Banned
Sorry to bump, but is there an Ouya OT or something? I'm trying to track down XBMC for it. My console arrives today.
pcostabel
Gold Member
You can install the Android apk from the official XBMC website:
http://mirrors.xbmc.org/releases/android/xbmc-12.2-Frodo-armeabi-v7a.apk