Really, nothing aye.
Given the same architecture, and a game that is not limited by outside factors (fill rate, memory bandwidth) the GPU with MORE flops will translate into a faster framerate
As I said it means something but it is hard to quantify.
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Really, nothing aye.
Given the same architecture, and a game that is not limited by outside factors (fill rate, memory bandwidth) the GPU with MORE flops will translate into a faster framerate
As I said it means something but it is hard to quantify.
gaming_noob
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Last chance for Rare to redeem themselves and I have a feeling they will.
Gemüsepizza
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Yes nothing, it's a theoretical statistic.
Like I said before it's like saying my truck can theoretically pull 10,000 pounds on paper. It means nothing in the real world beyond being theoretical.
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Do we have any real evidence at all that hasn't come from a unverified source on the actual processor that will be used?
HigherLevel
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Considering how much they outsourced for Halo 4 I really doubt they have multiple teams, and even if they did, the second team would just be making another Halo game.
I think I'm going to try and stick with just this thread until the 21st. The other next Xbox threads are just a little too heavy for me. Too many list warz and blatant fanboy trolling every other post.
To me they haven't really let themselves go. Viva Pinata, PDZ, and Banjo were all good games. They're not at the same legendary status as the Conker and BK days, but they haven't really fallen off the face of the earth to me like some people feel.
Either way, we'll know more in 10 days.
To me they haven't really let themselves go. Viva Pinata, PDZ, and Banjo were all good games. They're not at the same legendary status as the Conker and BK days, but they haven't really fallen off the face of the earth to me like some people feel.
Either way, we'll know more in 10 days.
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I don't think they have two teams, either, but outsourcing is very normal these days. Studios will look to outsource more and more.
Its more like saying your truck has 400HP. Because obviously how much of that HP that actually gets to the ground is going to depend on some outside factors and also how you use that HP is also going to change some things.
But overall, do you want the car with 400HP or 500HP? assuming they have the same increase in torque and the torque/hp curve is identical.
Angelus Errare
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Which car is lighter?
No it's not because HP can be determined and calculated to the exact amount and that amount is not theoretical thanks to dynamometers.
Syphon Filter
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10 days!
Yes but the amount of HP you have at the clutch is different to what you have at the tires, the same kind of way that FLOPS work.
Iacobellis
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10 days!
GUCCI GUCCI!
Baconsammy
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i like this comparison
You're still not understanding the reasoning of why it's a bad example.
HP can be tested in the real world at the clutch and wheels and that means it isn't a theoretical statistic, it is a demonstrable statistic.
However if you sit down and do the calculations for how much a truck could pull for instance on paper you will have a theoretical statistic like a FLOP.
Baconsammy
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Batman relied too much on Alfred, Gordon and Lucius. What a pansy.
Gemüsepizza
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This is a nonsense argument. Trucks only have to pull specific hangers with a specific weight - and not more. But consoles have no such limit in what they push, they will operate at the maximum most of the time. There is no limit, more is always better.
Oh, no you are coming up with conspiracy theories? You want to imply that Sony has lied and that the PS4 GPU doesn't have 18 compute units, and therefore has not 1,84TFLOPS?
I don't see the connection.
R3TRO
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LOL, nice.
I like this.
Just like how your HP at the clutch is only a theoretical max of what could happen at the wheels.
FLOPS is just like the power at the clutch, the engine is all the gear getting it the ground.
How much makes it? we don't know, but what we do know is more at the clutch is better then less(simplified but you know what I mean).
ChosenPredator
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Sooooo hyped something about how locked down ms has been and all these rumours fact or fiction has me foaming in anticipation too see their muscle. Cue porn music
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I'm speaking as if someone sat down and did the math for themselves as to what the maximum towing capacity would be with the power of a truck. It's theoretical so it is not held back by any real limitations, just like FLOPs.
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Funny thing about rumors they are kinda like conspiracy theories as in they have no evidence to support them.
It's not a theoretical max, because it's being demonstrated in the real world on a dynamometer instead of being calculated on paper.
statham
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10 days!
ChosenPredator
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Batman utility belt is kinect
Gemüsepizza
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And I just said, that there are real limitations for trucks, but not for consoles, which makes your comparison useless.
But your story is not even a rumor. It's just made up.
So your arguing that 1 > 2 I see.
schwabdizzle
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I do not know about that. We have not seen shit from MS to make a statement like that.
GANGSTERKILLER
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Tried to download the GT app from the US Marketplace so I can watch the Xbox reveal and interview with Don Matttrick on my Xbox 360...
"This item is not available on your current location".
"This item is not available on your current location".
Kinect 2.0 must be really cool.
Exactly ! thats the point.
Would you rather RAM that runs at 50GB/s or 75GB/s. After all we only work out ram speeds on paper too.
Baconsammy
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Why would you need the GT App for that? Use the Events app. Which country do you live in that GT would want to block you access to their content? The IGN and Revision 3 apps will probably also show the reveal live. Not sure if those work where you live, though.
Here we go again bandwidth limits are not the same as FLOPs, bandwidth limits are a real world limitation while a FLOP is a theoretical max.
My argument is that FLOPs mean nothing when it comes to real world performance, they are not held back by real world bottlenecks or limitations.
a FLOP is the maximum amount of floating points operations you'll get out of a GPU assuming other things don't hold you back
RAM bandwidth is the maximum data transfer you'll get assuming other things don't hold you back.
They are as real world as each other.
Angelus Errare
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Oh we're at the Batman/Superman stage of the console argument....the joy
Alx
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Batman is all about his utility belt.
SniperHunter
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it will get worse. PS4 has taken the brunt of the PC fanboy's assault, but they will turn their attention to Durango once the specs are show.
Worse. Because either specs are what we know from rumors, or they got upgraded (in reasonable margins).
The problem is everyone seems to focus on that aspect and I think it's a bit silly. I am looking forward to the games, the improved controller and new features of the console.
The real specs are already out.
1.23TFOPS GPU
8 Jaguar cores @ 1.6GHz (2 for OS)
8GB DDR3 68GB/s (3GB for OS)
32MB ESRAM 102GB/s
They should have outsourced the writing and voice acting as well.
Officerrob
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WAY worse
source ?
Those are the rumored specs, he repeats it every once in a while.
Gemüsepizza
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Yeah. Batman could easily defeat Superman because he is much more intelligent than him and has plans for everything. He would for example use Kryptonite and weaken him. We haven't seen Microsoft using "Kryptonite" yet, or coming up with a brillant plan to defeat Sony (yet). And Batman always has the latest and best technology, so this doesn't really fit.
The console is designed to not have bottlenecks. Things like bandwidth, RAM size etc. are high enough to feed a 1.84 TFLOPS GPU. And heat? How does this interfere with TFLOPS? They console has specific clock speeds which can be cooled, because it was designed that way. Those clock speeds determine how much TFLOPS a console can push in reality, and in this case that's 1.84TFLOPS. Heat is not a limitation here. It only is limiting the console to push more than 1,84TFLOPS.
Your story that the TFLOPS numbers which Sony gave us may not be correct.
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