Baconsammy
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If EA has given MS an exclusive, you'll probably be getting what you want. I don't see any other reason for them to have done so.
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If EA has given MS an exclusive, you'll probably be getting what you want. I don't see any other reason for them to have done so.
R3TRO
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This is actually what I want.
The more that I think about it, just as a fan of the business and wanting to see people get their just due, I don't really mind seeing used games dying, but at the same time I utilize selling used games now. I wouldn't mind trading that in (no pun intended) for more revenue going to developers.
The other side is that it'll be harder to find certain games, and things can sometimes be removed off of online services.
Yeah, that's true. I just hate how bulky it makes the back of the 360 controller. They at least need to ship the thing with a cable so that I can play when my batteries die.
Who the fuck only has one controller?
OdysseusVA
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There's a company that sells modified 360 controllers that have this (also DIY kits), so I wouldn't be surprised if they do it with the new controller.
If MS hasn't already made the switch 
Baconsammy
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Why would I steal player 2's controller when mine dies? That just seems mean.
statham
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your going to ruffle some feathers, but I too am going digital only. changing discs is last gen.
Baconsammy
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What if you could have used games *AND* not have to swap discs? Wink.
Sorcery!
This functionality and having used games isn't mutually exclusive, or at least I can't see why it would be if you can authenticate and own digital copies at the same time if you have the physical.
Yeah, I liked the idea of installing the game and then the disc becoming useless until you uninstalled it (with the disc needing to be in the tray both times) or you get it verified by Microsoft if something happens to your console or something.
Not sure if that technology exists, but it'd be the best of both worlds I guess for those who really love having used games.
I still don't really mind having none because it's kind of rotten for the industry as a whole.
Not sure if that technology exists, but it'd be the best of both worlds I guess for those who really love having used games.
I still don't really mind having none because it's kind of rotten for the industry as a whole.
Not joking.
I don't buy used games and I rarely sell them so it won't hurt me at all
id be more careful with my purchases though.
a happy medium would be to block used games, which can be unlocked with a used game pass? Maybe? Live server checks the game requesting the unlock, distributes the $5 fee to the publisher.
id shit a chicken.
Aquamarine
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As a gamer, no-used-games wouldn't affect me in the slightest. I am grateful to have the luxury of being able to buy every single recent game brand new.
But as an archivist, I'm staunchly opposed to this idea for the sake of future video game preservation.
Baconsammy
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The Gamestop CEO came away from a meeting with MSFT very happy about the product. Read into that what you want. EA is also apparently happy with MS. Seems like having them both happy would be a tough thing to achieve. I think Manbag's...I mean Satchel is close to the truth.
It would affect me. I play games and sell them at about 10 dollars cheaper than I paid. I'd have to rent more from Redbox.
It would affect me. I play games and sell them at about 10 dollars cheaper than I paid. I'd have to rent more from Redbox.
I suppose so. I just can't help but think of those who WOULD be affected.
SpartanN92
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I agree. I don't need need somebodies sloppy seconds, I want it fresh.
That is actually why I buy as many of my games digitally as I can. I have all the Halos on GoD so I can swap games easily without having to swap discs....like a peasant.
BruceLeeRoy
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I have been okay about the theoretical no used games for just this reason. If it means less studios being closed down and more job security in this field of entertainment for some of my favorites. I am all for it.
AHAHA, and there's the kicker. Do you know how pissed future generations of collectors would be at this?
No, I think this is only a move the big three could afford making when the whole industry is more stable. At this point they need people to stay interested and feel welcome, and I know for a fact that those who know they can trade in games and buy used get a sense of security from it, and are more likely to become invested in the system if they can do this. It's simply not smart to risk that demographic during uncertain times like this. I don't think consoles are going to die out, I think they have their own unique place, but I do think they need to be careful right now.
In a perfect world, Gamestop wouldn't be allowed to re-sell games on a national stage, and used games would still survive through other means like ebay/craigslist; kind of like how DVD's work now.
It's fucked that they get nothing from a used game sale from a place like Gamestop. I mean that's just not right.
It's fucked that they get nothing from a used game sale from a place like Gamestop. I mean that's just not right.
Baconsammy
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Will mean fewer cat skeletons found under piles of video game boxes on Hoarders.
James Sawyer Ford
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I expect used games will be playable, but you will have to purchase a "pass" from the store in order for them to work.
pharmboy044
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I hate to admit it but I'm a Gamefly user and if there were no used games then I guess I wouldn't be able to play a lot of these games.
Plinko
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Dealbreaker.
statham
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only Sony has the pass so far... lets see what MS does...
ahaha. but seriously, it might not seem like a big deal now, but a huge amount of people still buy used NES games, and since it doesn't have any mystic voodoo blocking stuff on it, they can simply go home and play it on their own system.
When this system is behind us, its online store is going to eventually die out. There will not be any new copies of any games left. The only games you'll ever be able to play in such a scenario are the ones you bought and installed digitally within the time it was still relevant.
Even if you don't care about doing that sort of thing, can't you admit that's kinda terrible?
Scenario B: at that point everyone knows how to disable the block.
I dunno, it just still seems like there could be inconveniences and losses of customers, especially if Sony doesn't do this.
James Sawyer Ford
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Different pass, but I expect both Sony and MS will do this next-gen.
They will get their cut for used game sales this go-round.
Microsoft and Sont NEED to get DD prices right next-generation. More sales, more weekly deals, and keep prices current and realistic; at least have games as the same price as their retail counterpart. You give me no incentive to buy the new Call of Duty digitally for 60$ when I can get it new for 50$ in stores, so make sure to at least keep prices on par.
mingoguaya
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I posted this a long time ago when the "no-used games" thing began to surface in the forums and I still think is the way best to go if they are to do it.
If, say, you dropped that Halo 5 at Gamestop and I picked it up used, but you totally forgot to deactivate it. When I get home, I will have to go online (or through the phone, so that would actually end the "internet-only" activation debate, call MSFT, get a code from a phone rep, input said code, play H5 while having the disc in the console) and activate it. This, in turn, will automatically deactivate it on your console, so you cannot play the game even though you have it installed at your HDD (disc required). Next time you want to play Halo 5, you either buy it used (and activate the new code on your console) or get it new (only need the disc for validation and input the new code on your already saved H5 data and play).
But what if I go to my friend's house and want to play my H5 game? In this case, you bring your Halo 5 copy, sign in with your gamertag in his console, and it will automatically know which games you are entitled to play and play H5.
But, what if I want to LEND the game to my friend to play for a while? In this case, the game will go into a demo mode (say, 2 hours top) so he can try it, and if he wants to continue playing, he can either buy a game code online or through the phone. This said code will be cheap (say, $3-$5 and it will give you 24 hours to play, like a rental).
If, say, you dropped that Halo 5 at Gamestop and I picked it up used, but you totally forgot to deactivate it. When I get home, I will have to go online (or through the phone, so that would actually end the "internet-only" activation debate, call MSFT, get a code from a phone rep, input said code, play H5 while having the disc in the console) and activate it. This, in turn, will automatically deactivate it on your console, so you cannot play the game even though you have it installed at your HDD (disc required). Next time you want to play Halo 5, you either buy it used (and activate the new code on your console) or get it new (only need the disc for validation and input the new code on your already saved H5 data and play).
But what if I go to my friend's house and want to play my H5 game? In this case, you bring your Halo 5 copy, sign in with your gamertag in his console, and it will automatically know which games you are entitled to play and play H5.
But, what if I want to LEND the game to my friend to play for a while? In this case, the game will go into a demo mode (say, 2 hours top) so he can try it, and if he wants to continue playing, he can either buy a game code online or through the phone. This said code will be cheap (say, $3-$5 and it will give you 24 hours to play, like a rental).
James Sawyer Ford
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would really like it if they made DD games cheaper than the official retail versions of games
Sony tried it on select versions of games, but then seemingly stopped for some reason.
sadly i dont think that's going to happen
*Vomits*
Would be nice but I don't even need cheaper prices, just give me parity.
Baconsammy
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As long as some of the money for the pass goes back to the game maker, I'm very very OK with this. Right now the publisher gets a cut of the original sale, Gamestop gets a small cut, and the console holder gets a cut. Then Gamestop essentially mugs people on the price they pay for a trade-in and proceed to sell that used copy for about 5 dollars off MSRP giving nothing to the game maker. That's capitalism, and I support that, but it's also helping to kill the business. Maybe the Gamestop CEO was happy because he was told that used game sales wouldn't be totally cut out, but that he'd also have to give up some of the money made on a used game sale. If as a gamer you don't like it, there's always the Wii U. Not an option I'd want.
If I were MS, I wouldnt let Gamestop handle the pass purchase. I'd have that be on the console-side of things.
statham
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used games/ pay ten bucks.
BruceLeeRoy
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I have friends that only go the Craigslist/Gamestop route and don't give a dime to any of the developers. I say screw them and I am completely serious.
Yeah they need to emulate STEAM as much as possible. I impulse buy so much stuff on that damn platform. They have it brilliantly setup.
Which would pretty nullify the decreased price, unless Gamestop adjust accordingly. Used games are usually only around 5$-10$ less. I guess GS could also get a cut of selling the code/activation, but I would think that would be handled solely by Microsoft.
I feel terrible when I trade shit in, but I at least buy new 99% of the time. I wouldn't trade in as many games as I do if money wasn't an issue.
If they did that, people would care less about used.
James Sawyer Ford
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GameStop would have to adjust accordingly. In other words, they'd get less of a cut, obviously.
Baconsammy
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I doubt they'd give Gamestop a cut of the code. Gamestop would get whatever they sold the used game for as normal. Obviously they'd have to charge less since the buyer would know they'd be facing an additional fee when they put the game in the console. I think the code handling would have to be done on the console side, otherwise you'd kill people's ability to simply sell games via Ebay, to friends/family etc.
They say positive reinforcement is usually better than negative reinforcement, so I'd hope so. Give people more incentive to buy digitally or new instead of limiting them.
On the other hand though, the used gaming scene as it is now hurts the business a lot more than it should. I mentioned it earlier, but I'd be fine if places couldn't make a business out of solely selling used stuff, with nearly all of the used games being sold through places like ebay/craigslist like DVD's. I don't think those small one seller to one buyer transactions hurt the industry as much as a well oiled used-game selling machine like Gamestop.
BruceLeeRoy
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The only time I buy used is if its a game I want for MP only. I don't think I have ever bought a COD game new.
When money is tight for me I just rely on Redbox since I know they are fronting the pubs/devs a damn good amount of money for the amount of stock they are having to offset.
BruceLeeRoy
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I want MS to fund a TV Series based on Bright Falls.
the NBA app is already there.
Do you mean build the pass into the gold sub?
oops, too quick for you!
China Dont Care
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BruceLeeRoy
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Ha you are to fast.
I want NBA, NFL League Pass included in some Gold Subscription.
This
Hell yes.
To me, that's the most uncontroversial thing in the world.
That has to happen! It's an awesome idea and it works with the rumored plan of Microsoft getting/making some exclusive TV content for their Xbox Video service.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Let me buy the OS/xbox live software and build my own gaming htpc so I don't have to deal with weak hardware.
I honestly would be willing to pay $150 bucks just for the damn OS/xbox live and ability to play against xbox owners. I prefer a game pad to kb/m anyways.
That way people that actually are willing to spend money on powerful hardware, but want to play with family/friends that don't care and fine with the plug/play console, can play with them.
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