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[2MF]

The model will change, eh?

Pricing model seems the most obvious. Subscription console confirmed?

The article states:

Word from retail says Microsoft this week briefed them on ‘changes to the model’. The trade wants real next-gen innovations, but no one’s asked for a baby/bathwater scenario."

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/opinion-old-world-pricing-problem-is-another-next-gen-symptom/0115664

 

[Neander]

That would be the ultimate troll. Fixing Sony's lackluster UI by overlaying yours.

LOL. I was actually thinking about that yesterday. Will it overlay on any type of signal it receives? That would be hilarious.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

That or a reference to the used-game DRM.

Used game DRM is also possible and maybe it's no coincidence that EA just so happen to announce the end of the online pass program today...

Interesting times...

 

[TRios Zen]

Even better if they can explicitly recognize the signal via HDMI CEC and control it further.

HAHA - that's too funny. Unlikely, and what an unholy marriage if it were possible, but funny.

That or a reference to the used-game DRM.

If what Pachter said is true (regarding cable being delivered over the internet) that seems like a huge "model" change. At least here in the US. huge.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

The article states:

Word from retail says Microsoft this week briefed them on ‘changes to the model’. The trade wants real next-gen innovations, but no one’s asked for a baby/bathwater scenario."

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/opinion-old-world-pricing-problem-is-another-next-gen-symptom/0115664

Now that's a very interesting comment. While it doesn't give anything away, it could be interpreted to mean a used games solution is on the way.

Bacon might be onto something...

 

[a Master Ninja]

I'm stunned by the lack of major leaks. Stunned.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I'm stunned by the lack of major leaks. Stunned.

Nothing to leak.

...

Yeah, the joke's a little worn out.

 

[DopeyFish]

That or a reference to the used-game DRM.

Lots of ways they can do it without severely impacting front end users

I hope they do a credit system and its tied to your account

Like a rebirth of the diamond card

 

[p3tran]

I'm stunned by the lack of major leaks. Stunned.

well yea, it might just be like baconsammy says, and everything is already leaked.
at first it was a joke, now I give it 5% chance )

 

[PhatSaqs]

I'm stunned by the lack of major leaks. Stunned.

I'm betting something breaks by Monday.

 

[watership]

I'm stunned by the lack of major leaks. Stunned.

I hope they can keep a tight lid on it. But like the Leafs in game 7, they'll probably blow a 4-1 lead in the last 10 mins. :\

 

[Baconsammy]

Lots of ways they can do it without severely impacting front end users

I hope they do a credit system and its tied to your account

Like a rebirth of the diamond card

Wouldn't the simplest way be to do it when you put a disc into the Xbox for the first time? If you bought it new, you have the code that came with it. If you don't, you're prompted to buy one digitally. Then the money from that goes to the publisher(and MS obviously). No real change needed on the retail end other than they need to make it clear to someone buying a used game that there's an additional charge to authorize it, which would hopefully translate into Gamestop selling used games at a cheaper price than they do now.

 

[Xenon]

I'm stunned by the lack of major leaks. Stunned.

MS's secret weapon.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Wouldn't the simplest way be to do it when you put a disc into the Xbox for the first time? If you bought it new, you have the code that came with it. If you don't, you're prompted to buy one digitally. Then the money from that goes to the publisher(and MS obviously). No real change needed on the retail end other than they need to make it clear to someone buying a used game that there's an additional charge to authorize it, which would hopefully translate into Gamestop selling used games at a cheaper price than they do now.

I think retail will be selling activation keys/codes with used games. It's a way to keep retail in the loop and maintain a used games market for liquidity.

 

[DopeyFish]

Wouldn't the simplest way be to do it when you put a disc into the Xbox for the first time? If you bought it new, you have the code that came with it. If you don't, you're prompted to buy one digitally. Then the money from that goes to the publisher(and MS obviously). No real change needed on the retail end other than they need to make it clear to someone buying a used game that there's an additional charge to authorize it, which would hopefully translate into Gamestop selling used games at a cheaper price than they do now.

Games will come serialized, likely.... No code.

If there is a code, it will likely be a type of QR code (which you show kinect)

 

[Linkified]

The article states:



http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/opinion-old-world-pricing-problem-is-another-next-gen-symptom/0115664

The way that article makes it sound is that every 720 will use that subsidized model

 

[DopeyFish]

The way that article makes it sound is that every 720 will use that subscription model

I think MS is looking to change the model of how everything is sold

Which is good... Industry is terribly behind despite how cutting edge it is

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

The way that article makes it sound is that every 720 will use that subsidized model

Would be smart.

 

[Linkified]

I think MS is looking to change the model of how everything is sold

Which is good... Industry is terribly behind despite how cutting edge it is

Just the console, they won't be stupid and try and alter the way software is sold on physical media.

 

[abadguy]

I think retail will be selling activation keys/codes with used games. It's a way to keep retail in the loop and maintain a used games market for liquidity.

That would explain why Gamestop was so positive about MS recently.

 

[DopeyFish]

Would be smart.

Yes and no

Yes as it increases average consumer spend

No because it will definitely make the hardware sell through lower. Quite a bit lower.

Just the console, they won't be stupid and try and alter the way software is sold on physical media.

How would software wise be stupid? The industry is moving towards DD and retail is a huge part of the industry

Why can't you have the benefits of both worlds?

 

[nib95]

I think MS is looking to change the model of how everything is sold

Which is good... Industry is terribly behind despite how cutting edge it is

Depends if it works out more or less expensive in the long run. $399 or whatever isn't that expensive in the grand scheme of things. I'd certainly prefer to pay it up-front than pay $100+ more over two years for exactly the same thing. Depends how they do it really. Hopefully they offer both choices.

 

[TRios Zen]

Would be smart.

Don't know about that. Money now (full purchase Next-Box) is better than money in the future (future payments from subsidized models).

I for one, don't want to be locked into a contract model; I'll buy it straight-up.

 

[statham]

Games are DD only, you buy the DLC on discs at gamestop.

 

[JHall]

I'm stunned by the lack of major leaks. Stunned.

I actually like it and hope it stays. I want to be surprised on Tuesday.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Don't know about that. Money now (full purchase Next-Box) is better than money in the future (future payments from subsidized models).

I for one, don't want to be locked into a contract model; I'll buy it straight-up.

I meant smart for MS. Easy way to appear to have a much lower priced system than Sony.

 

[Linkified]

Yes and no

Yes as it increases average consumer spend

No because it will definitely make the hardware sell through lower. Quite a bit lower.

You forgot then they can put up:

"100% of Xbox 720 users are Gold Plus members" Ya know the type of statements big companies like to make ... worthless but 'bigs' themselves up.

 

[Baconsammy]

I think retail will be selling activation keys/codes with used games. It's a way to keep retail in the loop and maintain a used games market for liquidity.

But that would screw my ability to sell directly to you. I also don't see any reason you need to give retailers a cut of the used game pass in addition to what they're also making off the used game itself. Will be interesting to see.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Porn Service coming to the Next Xbox?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124078-Streaming-Porn-Service-Coming-to-Next-Xbox

1080p + Fortalezza + Kinect = Win

 

[Krisprolls]

I meant smart for MS. Easy way to appear to have a much lower priced system than Sony.

Sony could do exactly the same though.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

That would explain why Gamestop was so positive about MS recently.

That's what I was thinking. Either activation codes aren't happening and it's business as usual or we will see activation codes and Gamestop, etc will be getting a piece of the pie.

I meant smart for MS. Easy way to appear to have a much lower priced system than Sony.

And keep people locked into the Live ecosystem throughout the two years subscription.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Sony could do exactly the same though.

They could.

 

[TRios Zen]

I meant smart for MS. Easy way to appear to have a much lower priced system than Sony.

AH. my bad. Yeah I can see that - selling it as a lower price of entry.

I wonder though, does MS "have to" or "want to" compete as a low-price alternative? From their pricing models of the Surface I'd argue that they do not, and I expect them to launch at the same price as the PS4, at least in the US. The subsidized model could take the bite out of that for some though, for sure.

 

[TRios Zen]

1080p + Fortalezza + Kinect = Win

We'd have a whole generation of young males, that never left their rooms...

Whoops, should've edited last post. My bad.

 

[Baconsammy]

They could.

And will if they think it's working out in MS's favor. Last thing Sony wants though is to spend another generation playing catchup with all the new stuff MS added.

 

[SniperHunter]

I'm stunned by the lack of major leaks. Stunned.

Microsoft is probably preparing for a shock an awe conference. Updated specs, games no one has heard of or seen, a beautiful console, fast UI. All of that will just shatter PS4's momentum in a single day.

 

[xXxDieselxXx]

We'd have a whole generation of young males, that never left their rooms...

Whoops, should've edited last post. My bad.

Or basement

 

[Bsigg12]

AH. my bad. Yeah I can see that - selling it as a lower price of entry.

I wonder though, does MS "have to" or "want to" compete as a low-price alternative? From their pricing models of the Surface I'd argue that they do not, and I expect them to launch at the same price as the PS4, at least in the US. The subsidized model could take the bite out of that for some though, for sure.

They would be making more money on each console in the long run with the sub. With the Surface, there's no way to subsidize it as there are no services that the system needs like Xbox Live to the Xbox.

Being able to come out and say, "Starting this Fall, get a new Xbox starting at only $299.99" or something along those lines could be huge this year.

 

[Linkified]

How would software wise be stupid? The industry is moving towards DD and retail is a huge part of the industry

Why can't you have the benefits of both worlds?

To include any anti-used procedure(s) that require(s) activation codes to be paid to access software on a console would be stupid.

 

[Izick]

There was a lot of replies to my post about Gears, so I'm just going to say one thing here:

To me, Gears 1 was to TPS as Halo: CE was to FPS.

 

[JHall]

Microsoft is probably preparing for a shock an awe conference. Updated specs, games no one has heard of or seen, a beautiful console, fast UI. All of that will just shatter PS4's momentum in a single day.

The meltdown on GAF would be legendary.

 

[ari]

I meant smart for MS. Easy way to appear to have a much lower priced system than Sony.

Yea, this might be surprising but Aarons, rent a center, and pawn shops still lease/layaway 360s and ps3s to customers. There is a vast market of people that just doesn't want to drop 150/200 bucks on game consoles.

This WILL work for MS if anything.

 

[Xenon]

The way that article makes it sound is that every 720 will use that subsidized model

This would be dumb. There are a number of people out there who don't like signing into contracts.

 

[Karak]

Wouldn't the simplest way be to do it when you put a disc into the Xbox for the first time? If you bought it new, you have the code that came with it. If you don't, you're prompted to buy one digitally. Then the money from that goes to the publisher(and MS obviously). No real change needed on the retail end other than they need to make it clear to someone buying a used game that there's an additional charge to authorize it, which would hopefully translate into Gamestop selling used games at a cheaper price than they do now.

Yep indeed. A couple months ago I guessed a 5-10$ dollar charge for that kind of thing. Keeping it low as possible would help.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

But that would screw my ability to sell directly to you. I also don't see any reason you need to give retailers a cut of the used game pass in addition to what they're also making off the used game itself. Will be interesting to see.

I expect there will be multiple ways to buy a code/key. Digitally will certainly be one way.

Why i think Gamestop, etc will be involved, is that they are still pretty powerful in the B&M retail sector with lots of people still using them to buy games, etc. Not cutting them in would run the risk of them of them not giving the games/console a lot of shelf space, which is vitally important.

 

[nib95]

Microsoft is probably preparing for a shock an awe conference. Updated specs, games no one has heard of or seen, a beautiful console, fast UI. All of that will just shatter PS4's momentum in a single day.

Well, I for one hope so. Competition, that's what it's good for, to give us more value for our money. That way Sony can scramble to one up Microsoft again and it's a win win for gamers. I just hope Microsoft doesn't sink too far in to the pay wall rubbish that ends up costing me more for stuff that should be standard.

 

[Linkified]

This would be dumb. There are a number of people out there who don't like signing into contracts.

Hence retails baby/bathwater comment.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Yea, this might be surprising but Aarons, rent a center, and pawn shops still lease/layaway 360s and ps3s to customers. There is a vast market of people that just doesn't want to drop 150/200 bucks on game consoles.

This WILL work for MS if anything.

Yep.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Why MS would have used game DRM when they don't even try to block used games now?

 

[Bsigg12]

Microsoft is probably preparing for a shock an awe conference. Updated specs, games no one has heard of or seen, a beautiful console, fast UI. All of that will just shatter PS4's momentum in a single day.

Without a doubt Microsoft is going to try and drop bombs on Tuesday. It's the beginning of a console generation and if you can't win your core over at the start, you're setting yourself up for failure. Nintendo is in that exact position right now with the Wii U struggling to win anybody over.