About this whole EA/Nintendo thing... does Nintendo need EA?

You missed Rock Band, near the bottom there.

People talked in the FIFA/WiiU about the importance of FIFA to an EU audience, and maybe that's the case, but I personally don't know.
 
I just think Nintendo needs Fifa and maybe Star Wars.

They don't need full EA support (even though I wish they could get that).
 
If you ever buy an EA game on a Nintendo platform ever again you are a fool

EA should just stay away they burned enough bridges still waiting for my Need For Speed Most Wanted DLC such an awesome game :(
 
Tathanen said:
Actually they can both live without one another fairly trivially. EA has never mattered on Nintendo hardware.
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People really need to drop this idea that Nintendo can remain competitive by surviving purely off their first party offerings. It just isn't true.
 
GoddyofAus said:
EA and Nintendo are done with each other. Plain and simple.

The difference between them is EA can live without Nintendo.
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Nintendo can easily "live" without EA. They won't be as successful, but they can survive without them--especially in the handheld realm.

They DO need third-party support. But losing EA isn't going to kill them.

I find the comparisons some make to Dreamcast laughable, as EA's lack of support was just a part of Sega's downfall as a hardware manufacturer. Sega also didn't have a load of cash and successful handhelds at the time.
 
fluffydelusions said:
I was looking at the list of top selling Wii games on Wikipedia and there is only 2 EA game in the list as far as I can tell...EA sports active and Rock band. I know EA is critical on the HD twins but is that really the case for Nintendo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_video_games
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The Wii U isn't the Wii. Waggle sold the Wii, the Wii U needs games. Not having support from one of the largest platform-neutral publishers in the industry is not a good omen.
 
I think this gen was the first time I have ever really bothered getting into games owned by EA. Of them, only one was for the Wii--My Sims--which really wasn't all that great.

Nintendo doesn't need EA if they aren't going to give it their best effort.
 
GoddyofAus said:
EA and Nintendo are done with each other. Plain and simple.

The difference between them is EA can live without Nintendo.
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There is no "and". This is a one sided affair. Nintendo has made no offensive action towards EA in any form.

Its just EA.
 
GoddyofAus said:
People really need to drop this idea that Nintendo can remain competitive by surviving purely off their first party offerings. It just isn't true.
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EA do not by any stretch of the imagination represent all third party offerings.

Saying Nintendo can live without EA is not equivalent to Nintendo don't need any third parties at all.
 
GoddyofAus said:
People really need to drop this idea that Nintendo can remain competitive by surviving purely off their first party offerings. It just isn't true.
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Their software is what drives their hardware in most cases, though. I don't think anybody is saying just first party, but surely not with EA.

Nintendo seems to truly be in a position that in order to stay competitive, they are using their power in Japan to align with some of Japan's biggest studios. I don't buy a Nintendo platform for the mediocre western support they're often given, so EA finally cutting ties does nothing for me.
 
Foffy said:
Their software is what drives their hardware in most cases, though. I don't think anybody is saying just first party, but surely not with EA.

Nintendo seems to truly be in a position that in order to stay competitive, they are using their power in Japan to align with some of Japan's biggest studios. I don't buy a Nintendo platform for the mediocre western support they're often given, so EA finally cutting ties does nothing for me.
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Nintendo doesn't have much pull with the Wii U in Japan, Sony is in a much better position to court Japanese efforts.

MrNyarlathotep said:
EA do not by any stretch of the imagination represent all third party offerings.

Saying Nintendo can live without EA is not equivalent to Nintendo don't need any third parties at all.
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It seems like most other publishers are pretty much falling in line with EA, either releasing no titles at all or only releasing a select few.
 
Plinko said:
I find the comparisons some make to Dreamcast laughable, as EA's lack of support was just a part of Sega's downfall as a hardware manufacturer. Sega also didn't have a load of cash and successful handhelds at the time.
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Wasn't it really because Sega didn't want to compete in sports titles with EA and EA responded by giving them pretty much nothing?
 
EA isn't going to sell a ton of consoles for Nintendo, but it's nice to have support. It shows that your system is healthy and not having that support could do damage in the long run.
 
Unlike the other big two, Sony and MS, i think Nintendo is just fine without EA.

Any must-have EA games on 3DS/DS? Henry Hatsworth maybe? Big seller? No. Do people buy Nintendo for Madden or FIFA? Again, no.
 
Nintendo needs all publishers. EA is one of the largest so this news should hurt Nintendo a bit, and be a warning sign for those who were thinking about buying the WiiU.
 
Remember those good old days when EA released all their top franchises on the SNES first, like Road Rash, the Immortal, Desert Strike and FIFA?

Whatever happened since then?

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netBuff said:
It seems like most other publishers are pretty much falling in line with EA, either releasing no titles at all or only releasing a select few.
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Not really. Not much has been released or announced by third parties at all, because E3 hasn't happened yet.
We know the WiiU is getting the next CoD, watch_dogs and assassins creed though.

Difference being because it's skipped some of the titles until now people just assume no news = no port (yet ironically also assume no news of nextbox port = guaranteed to be there)
 
EA wasn't going to get much software movement as long as they halfassed things in the first place. Relabeling Fifa12 and Madden12 as 13 does not impress me or most other games and having already played the 12 versions why would I buy them again?

Why would I buy Mass Effect 3 on the Wii U for full price when I could get Trilogy elsewhere for the same price.

People try to blame Nintendo and Nintendo does have its share of the blame but lets not pretend like EA actually gave a shit in the first place.
 
fluffydelusions said:
I was looking at the list of top selling Wii games on Wikipedia and there is only 2 EA game in the list as far as I can tell...EA sports active and Rock band. I know EA is critical on the HD twins but is that really the case for Nintendo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_video_games
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Yes, because at least right now, the Wii U is targeted at a different demographic. Maybe not intentionally, but that's the way it's worked out.

The casuals don't care. Plenty of them probably don't know what a Wii U is, if they've even heard of it. The casuals bought plenty of Wii consoles and games, and EA games aren't really the casual family party games that most people associate with the Wii.

They're games core gamers buy - and that's who the Wii U is selling (slowly) to at the moment. So I'd argue yes, Nintendo needs EA to attract more core gamers.

When/if it brings out a game that turns into a new casual craze, perhaps not. Right now? Yes.
 
Air Zombie Meat said:
If they want to sell more consoles, yes. Also it's something thats going to affect other pubs decisions.
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Well to me it just means other publishers in those genres will have the market as it grows and matures, all to itself. NBA2k will be there I'm sure, COD will be there, Sam Fisher will be there, so again, all this does is remove competition for other publishers, so I was a publisher i'd be thrilled.
 
Do they need EA to survive? No. Do they need EA to help them be more than just that console you buy to play the occasional Nintendo title? Yep.
 
they've been doing great portable business for ages without EA's help. It's not like the Wii had the best support from EA, either.
 
MrNyarlathotep said:
Remember those good old days when EA released all their top franchises on the SNES first, like Road Rash, the Immortal, Desert Strike and FIFA?

Whatever happened since then?
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EA ended up becoming the much larger company and therefore they got to start dictating terms versus having Nintendo dictate to them.
 
GoddyofAus said:
I said be competitive, not merely survive.
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I wouldn't call 15 billion dollars in the bank surviving though. They've done fairly well for themselves overall. Additionally, as others have pointed out. EA is not the only third party that exists. ATLUS is a great example of a third party that is very supportive of Nintendo. The next mainline SMT game is coming to the 3DS as an example.

I'm certain that Nintendo will be able to survive and thrive with or without EA's support. Does it suck? Certainly, but it's not the end of the world for them.
 
entrement said:
How did NFS do on the Wii U?
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Unless there was a surprising turnaround in April, terribly by any standard.

Well, it probably has sold a bit better than the LTD of the XBLA version of The Adventures of Shuggy.

So mediocre to poor, rather than terrible, by Smudged Cat Games XBLA standards.
 
I don't think EA has ever been the key to Nintendo's consoles. Or even a small part. Nintendo's issues with the Wii U have nothing to do with not having sports games or Mass Effect. Was there even Madden on the Wii? I owned one and I don't have a frigging clue.
 
Htown said:
they've been doing great portable business for ages without EA's help. It's not like the Wii had the best support from EA, either.
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Their portable business isn't doing all that fantastic in itself.

Kimawolf said:
Well to me it just means other publishers in those genres will have the market as it grows and matures, all to itself. NBA2k will be there I'm sure, COD will be there, Sam Fisher will be there, so again, all this does is remove competition for other publishers, so I was a publisher i'd be thrilled.
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EA doesn't expect the market to grow and mature by much, that's the whole root of the issue: Other publishers seem very reluctant as well. NBA doesn't seem likely at this point, CoD is a wash.
 
netBuff said:
Nintendo doesn't have much pull with the Wii U in Japan, Sony is in a much better position to court Japanese efforts.
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I was referring to the 3DS at present, and it seems to be slowly lapping over to Wii U. Not at an acceptable rate or with enough punches, of course. For Wii U, it might have to be Nintendo funding a lot of those projects in the first place as most of Japan's biggest studios have migrated away from consoles in the first place.
 
I would argue that either Sony or MS losing EA would be a MUCH bigger blow than Nintendo losing them. Somebody in the other thread posted the MCV quote about how poor EA sales were on the Wii as well.
 
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