EA Sports Engineer: Wii U is crap, < powerful than 360. No $ 3party. [Tweets Deleted]

DemonNite said:
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good lord, what an outstanding day this has been.
 
OrangeJulius said:
Point out inconsistencies in my logic then. And don't say that "other posters already have go back and read"

I want your own thoughts, not a pile on garbage fest.

I believe the WiiU will fail, because it focuses on a gimmick controller, has no software or marketing support and It will soon be overshadowed by xbox720 and ps4. It will be swept under the rug quietly after about 3 years or so. That is my opinion.

Where are the inconsistencies in my logic?
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I have already said what I needed to say in three posts already, go read them and reply to them if you wish, but I'm not going into other bits that does not interest me.

Also; Calm down.
 
OrangeJulius said:
Point out inconsistencies in my logic then. And don't say that "other posters already have go back and read"

I want your own thoughts, not a pile on garbage fest.

I believe the WiiU will fail, because it focuses on a gimmick controller, has no software or marketing support and It will soon be overshadowed by xbox720 and ps4. It will be swept under the rug quietly after about 3 years or so. That is my opinion.

Where are the inconsistencies in my logic?
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What's the point in arguing with you when you ignore anybody who successfully counters your argument, and then when it is pointed out that you ignored those counter-arguments, you say "Nah brah don't hide behind another poster, be a man and say it yourself!"

Then they do say it themselves, and you ignore them again and the cycle repeats.

If you aren't capable of arguing with more than one person at a time, you should quit.
 
OrangeJulius said:
I have like eight posters piling on me right now. Apparently I've become the junior to kick around in this thread, so no, at this point I don't know who I'm responding too.

Don't jump in the argument unless you have something to add. If you want me to respond to you than post something for me. Don't refer to others, that's weak.
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Self-proclaimed adult looking for adult discourse about video games, everyone. This thread keeps delivering.
 
Rehynn said:
He's talking about this post.

First you said the philosophy of "gameplay > graphics" is only important to a minorty: the "burgeois [lol]" hardcore guys like us. Then you said that we need better graphics because of the hardcore. Then you said the hardcore is actually the majority.
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I think you interpreted that wrong. Basically I mean the vocal minority on places like GAF care far more for gameplay than 14 year old Timmy who just wants to show his buddies the awesome graphics for the game his parents just bought him.

14 year old Timmy and 21 year old Billy who just wants to play COD online with his buddies are the majority and they care a great, great deal about graphics. Sorry if you can't see that. But companies like EA make billions off that market segment, who ARE the majority.
 
TreasureHunterG said:
If they're supporting PS4 and Xbox Next with ZERO installed based and no guarantee it will sell truckloads, why wouldn't they support the Wii U? Your argument don't hold water.
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I was under the impression we were talking existing titles, but if you want to shift the discussion it's because the architectural disparity (from what we know) between the next XBox and PS4 doesn't require the same kind of tech concessions (therefore commitment of staffing resources to get things up and running).

That and they are hedging their bets that the XBox 3/PS4/PC market will be the more profitable market place and the path of least resistance.
 
OrangeJulius said:
14 year old Timmy and 21 year old Billy who just wants to play COD online with his buddies are the majority and they care a great, great deal about graphics. Sorry if you can't see that. But companies like EA make billions of that market segment, who ARE the majority.
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Call of Duty does not have "Oh my god you have to come over and see this shit!" graphics. It has gameplay that people love.
 
OrangeJulius said:
I think you interpreted that wrong. Basically I mean the vocal minority on places like GAF care far more for gameplay than 14 year old Timmy who just wants to show his buddies the awesome graphics for the game his parents just bought him.
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That must be why Fuse is going to outsell Minecraft.
 
PorygonVandal said:
OrangeJulius is the Anticitizen One of this thread :(
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I'm getting murdered here aren't I? This is why I swore I'd never post on the gaming side. I guess that's what I get for being bored on a Friday.

I mean, I realize I'm being somewhat inflammatory at this point, but what the heck do you expect when I'm getting kicked by about 10 different posters now?

All I can do on this point is be on the offensive. This thread is no longer fun, it's just a shit flinging contest.
 
OrangeJulius said:
I'm getting murdered here aren't I? This is why I swore I'd never post on the gaming side. I guess that's what I get for being bored on a Friday.

I mean, I realize I'm being somewhat inflammatory at this point, but what the heck do you expect when I'm getting kicked by about 10 different posters now?

All I can do on this point is be on the offensive. This thread is no longer fun, it's just a shit flinging contest.
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OJ, you have to take it if you dish it out.
 
Calamari41 said:
Why is everything all-or-nothing with you? Half of the reason we're getting new consoles is because the developers themselves want them. This generation has lasted eight years. People haven't needed them for a long, long time.
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It's not all or nothing, I'm supporting my argument that graphics are extremely important. If they weren't than we would not need new consoles. The current ones can do everything we need just fine.

I of course don't feel that way, but that's what many here are implying.
 
JordoftheDead said:
I was under the impression we were talking existing titles, but if you want to shift the discussion it's because the architectural disparity (from what we know) between the next XBox and PS4 doesn't require the same kind of tech concessions (therefore commitment of staffing resources to get things up and running).

That and they are hedging their bets that the XBox 3/PS4/PC market will be the more profitable market place and the path of least resistance.
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No, we were talking about existant marketshare and currently Wii U does have, although minimal, it. You said investing on Wii U would be risky and unprofitable for third-parties while they're investing into a market there's no absolute certain it'll erupt at the beginning (judging from your post, you seems to believe this) and we don't know how Wii U's gonna sell by the end of this year, therefore I don't find the reasons you gave for not supporting Wii U as valid.
 
TreasureHunterG said:
If they're supporting PS4 and Xbox Next with ZERO installed based and no guarantee it will sell truckloads, why wouldn't they support the Wii U? Your argument don't hold water.
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PS4 and NextBox might sell like crazy, they might not. But developing for the Wii U right now will guarantee crapy sales. It's probably harsh to say this but I would turn down a free Wii U, because I don't want to deal with finding a place to put it. It would honestly take a Christmas miracle to change my mind at this point.
 
McLovin said:
PS4 and NextBox might sell like crazy, they might not. But developing for the Wii U right now will guarantee crapy sales. It's probably harsh to say this but I would turn down a free Wii U, because I don't want to deal with finding a place to put it. It would honestly take a Christmas miracle to change my mind at this point.
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Well, if Nintendo announce a Wii U price drop with a consistent line-up of games by the end of this year, no doubt Wii U sales can take a boost.
 
TreasureHunterG said:
The only way to change this is Nintendo going after third-parties and ask for better support, helping them to promote their games. People can say now it's not a "wise" investment for third-parties considering Wii U's current situation, but it's the only alternative for Nintendo in order to offer a favorable ecosystem for third-party games.
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Yes, it is Nintendo's alternative. I not the third parties. And saying it may not be 'wise' is downplaying the risk enormously. In the current financial climate it is a very difficult industry in which to be profitable. This investment potentially risks a developers employees directly. Look around the industry and see how many development houses have been closed due to nonprofitability.
 
TreasureHunterG said:
No, we were talking about existant marketshare and currently Wii U does have, although minimal, it. You said investing on Wii U would be risky and unprofitable for third-parties while they're investing into a market there's no absolute certain it'll erupt at the beginning (judging from your post, you seems to believe this) and we don't know how Wii U's gonna sell by the end of this year, therefore I don't find the reasons you gave for not supporting Wii U as valid.
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do you understand physics like at all?

Imagine you took an egg to the roof of an office building and held it over the side. The egg has a great deal of potential energy because of it's distance from the center of gravity.

Now, Imagine you dropped that egg and as it fell it was moving faster and faster. This potential energy is becoming kinetic energy.

Now, imagine that the egg hits the sidewalk, breaks open and splatters it's yolk everywhere. Now you have the Wii U. no movement, no potential.
 
squidyj said:
do you understand physics like at all?

Imagine you took an egg to the roof of an office building and held it over the side. The egg has a great deal of potential energy because of it's distance from the center of gravity.

Now, Imagine you dropped that egg and as it fell it was moving faster and faster. This potential energy is becoming kinetic energy.

Now, imagine that the egg hits the sidewalk, breaks open and splatters it's yolk everywhere. Now you have the Wii U. no movement, no potential.
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TreasureHunterG said:
No, we were talking about existant marketshare and currently Wii U does have, although minimal, it. You said investing on Wii U would be risky and unprofitable for third-parties while they're investing into a market there's no absolute certain it'll erupt at the beginning (judging from your post, you seems to believe this) and we don't know how Wii U's gonna sell by the end of this year, therefore I don't find the reasons you gave for not supporting Wii U as valid.
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Exactly, current marketshare, hence current titles. So with that in mind, looking at current marketshare, third parties have more confidence that the current market that sells will jump across to the next gen and keep buying. When you then add the hardware discrepancy into the equation you have the reason developers are ignoring the WiiU.
 
squidyj said:
do you understand physics like at all?

Imagine you took an egg to the roof of an office building and held it over the side. The egg has a great deal of potential energy because of it's distance from the center of gravity.

Now, Imagine you dropped that egg and as it fell it was moving faster and faster. This potential energy is becoming kinetic energy.

Now, imagine that the egg hits the sidewalk, breaks open and splatters it's yolk everywhere. Now you have the Wii U. no movement, no potential.
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But inside that eggshell was something greater...something incomprehensible...

:O

Nintendo bias factor talking
 
Rehynn said:
Because sales numbers are actually objective data, as opposed to personal taste and opinion?

And don't start with the "defense force" bullshit, you said it's always been about graphics, and we gave you software and hardware sales as evidence to the contrary.

No one said graphics are not important, but they'll only get you so far. The REALLY (again, I'm talking about 2D Mario, CoD, GTA, Sims...) big sellers were always about the gameplay.
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I disagree with some of your examples here. CoD has had pretty good graphics, at least it maintains 60fps, which gives the illusion of "great graphics" even if when you slow down and look around, it's not that grand after all.

Also: Sorry, but GTA5 looks amazing, and 4 was impressive for its time. The Sims has also pushed each generation with the sheer amount of detail and stuff going on. I actually had to upgrade my graphics card for sims 3.

One of my favorite things to do in GTA is to just drive around and take it all in, BECAUSE the games often look incredible (for their time.) The sheer magnitude of it all is awe inspiring.

As big of a Nintendo fan as I am, Wii was a one trick pony. It was wildly successful because it was different, so different and engaging, it moved 90 million+ units. These 90 million owners got bored with Wii Sports and eventually had to buy OTHER games to pull out at parties and events. Enter Mario Kart, NSMB, etc. Notice that most of Wii's 20+ million sellers are all multiplayer, or party games? Hmm... What an interesting coincidence.

Whereas Wii's "amazing quality games," Galaxy, DKCR, Xenoblade, and Last Story, sold a FRACTION of what those party games sold.
 
Comandr said:
. Enter Mario Kart, NSMBU, etc. Notice that most of Wii's 20+ million sellers are all multiplayer, or party games? Hmm... What an interesting coincidence.

Whereas Wii's "amazing quality games," Galaxy, DKCR, Xenoblade, and Last Story, sold a FRACTION of what those party games sold.
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As opposed to...?
 
Comandr said:
I disagree with some of your examples here. CoD has had pretty good graphics, at least it maintains 60fps, which gives the illusion of "great graphics" even if when you slow down and look around, it's not that grand after all.

Also: Sorry, but GTA5 looks amazing, and 4 was impressive for its time. The Sims has also pushed each generation with the sheer amount of detail and stuff going on. I actually had to upgrade my graphics card for sims 3.

One of my favorite things to do in GTA is to just drive around and take it all in, BECAUSE the games often look incredible (for their time.) The sheer magnitude of it all is awe inspiring.

As big of a Nintendo fan as I am, Wii was a one trick pony. It was wildly successful because it was different, so different and engaging, it moved 90 million+ units. These 90 million owners got bored with Wii Sports and eventually had to buy OTHER games to pull out at parties and events. Enter Mario Kart, NSMBU, etc. Notice that most of Wii's 20+ million sellers are all multiplayer, or party games? Hmm... What an interesting coincidence.

Whereas Wii's "amazing quality games," Galaxy, DKCR, Xenoblade, and Last Story, sold a FRACTION of what those party games sold.
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Now I say, now son, I believe if you'll look at the data you'll see that most of the best selling games anywhere are multiplayer. The term "party" bespeaks of any event where someone might play a multiplayer videogame, making the distinction... oh what's the dang word... redundant.
 
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