Well, streaming the video to the GamePad is apparently pushing the limits of modern technology. But yeah, apart from that.
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Well, streaming the video to the GamePad is apparently pushing the limits of modern technology. But yeah, apart from that.
Thunder Monkey
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That's arguable.
MS had a sidewinder branded controller that had a 3-axis accelerometer in 1998. It was just lacking any way of interpreting positional data.
PedroPanache
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They were almost helpless as they watched Wii owners move onto tablets and mobile phones. Nintendo don't make those, and they certainly weren't brave enough to tackle that market. Their only real option was to make a console that shifted them back to the traditional "core gamer" market. The Wii was a brilliant fluke, but it never really solved the problems they were having with the Gamecube, it just deferred them to one console generation later.
If you had advanced this idea 2 years ago I'm sure most of GAF would have called it idiotic.
Psycho_Mantis
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At the very least the Wiimote was a novel idea in the area of entrtainment. The Gamepad seems like its really lttp and an inferior version too. It still baffles me Nintendo went for such a stupid controller.
TheDrowningMan
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One console generation that made Nintendo an awful lot of money, and a buffer against another commercially underwhelming system.
Ninja Scooter
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Do you think your average consumer cared about some pc controller from 1998? The Wii motes were their first exposure to motion tech and Wii sports made it easy and intuitive. By the time the Wii u came out apple had already sold 50 billion iPads. That tech was old hat to the casual consumer. You're not going to impress them by showing them touch tech or fancy apps.
metalslimer
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People seriously think EA will be hurt by this more than Nintendo? That's certainly an optimistic scenario for Nintendo fans, but I wouldn't bank on it.
The fact that people still put the PS2 on their list of tech doesn't matter shows how much people like to parody other people's talking points. The PS2 was the most powerful machine when it released. The fact that the Gamecube/Xbox released a year later when the PS2 was kicking ass doesn't change that. The PS2 wasn't weak at all and it was also a DVD player which was amazing at the time. THe 3DS is also selling pretty mediocrely outside of Japan at this point, but handhelds have never been about tech as it has led to worse battery lives and more expensive products. Apple and Google own the mobile market anyway right now
The fact that people still put the PS2 on their list of tech doesn't matter shows how much people like to parody other people's talking points. The PS2 was the most powerful machine when it released. The fact that the Gamecube/Xbox released a year later when the PS2 was kicking ass doesn't change that. The PS2 wasn't weak at all and it was also a DVD player which was amazing at the time. THe 3DS is also selling pretty mediocrely outside of Japan at this point, but handhelds have never been about tech as it has led to worse battery lives and more expensive products. Apple and Google own the mobile market anyway right now
Phoenician_Viking
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This has nothing to do with what you said before which i responded to. You were talking about gameplay and i am right in better hardware give better and more varied gameplay.
Except the fact that better give more gameplay options, better worlds, better AI, more characters on screen etc.... So yeah, better graphics and stronger hardware have great effects on gameplay. Oh wait you did not follow the conversation and just talked about sales just because.....
Twenty7KVN
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I doubt either company is going to be hurt by this.
DecoyOctopus
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It's not an unfair assessment to make, but I can't help but feel that there's no long-term benefit to damaging relations with a hardware partner, even if it is Nintendo. If by some strange twist of fate the industry reverts back to Nintendo being a dominant player on equal footing with their competitors with a system that does generate large quantities of 3rd-party sales, where does that leave EA? Not on the short list, that's for damn sure.
I mean, hell, even ACTIVISION is still making Wii U games. Burning bridges with hardware partners seems like a gamble most refuse to take. Everyone brings up the Dreamcast situation and how EA leveraged their power to deliver the killing blow to Sega's hardware business, but that's like pulling the plug on an already dying man.
metalslimer
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I'm talking about EA not making Wii U games not this dumb tweet.
Without EA this is impossible. And Take 2 for that matter. You would need the entire industry backing a Nintnedo console for such a reversal. It doesn't just happen by itself see: Wii.
i think it was the expected route. nintendo had said at some point during the wii cycle that things were about evolution and revolution. it was most likely pr bs, but they should have listened to themselves on that one. i didn't expect another crazy thing this time around. hell, i thought the 3ds would essentially be the current system without 3d, and priced a lot more affordably. both systems are puzzling. nintendo thought they had to one-up themselves in order to stay current in the market, when the wii and the ds were both about being ahead of the market.
Ninja Scooter
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What do you think Nintendo will do? Refuse to allow ea to publish on their system? EA is taking the direction that they feel is in their best financial interest. Sometimes the most obvious answer is the right one, regardless of all the conspiracy theories.
Twenty7KVN
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Oh...i still stand by my post.
Worst demo stations ever.
But Iwata said 3rd parties will "regret" not supporting the Wii U early on. He's out for blood this time, not money.
What are the realistic chances of that happening? The SNES was released over 20 years ago.
too funny...
Iwata doesn't own Nintendo, he doesn't get to decline a colossal publisher out of spite.
Ninja Scooter
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Then he's more incompetent than we thought and Nintendo is fucked.
Bony Manifesto
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Wait, are you saying Nintendo would, if they managed to turn the Wii U around, refuse to allow EA to develop games for the console as some sort of revenge?
metalslimer
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And that's why Iwata will be fired at the end of this FY. And I think his use of words was that he wanted to make the Wii U successful and make them wish they had supported it early on. Of course he's idiotic if he thinks they are going to change much at this point.
No he didn't.
He did in one of the investor meeting translations. Can't find a thread now.
Ninja Scooter
Member
He probably meant regret as in "they will miss out on potential profits from games they could have released" not "I will keep a list of their names taped to my bathroom mirror and will not rest until they have all been destroyed". The guy is not a gamefaqs poster he doesn't think of things in the same terms as a fanboy.
Bony Manifesto
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I think that was just a mis-translation form the person who made the thread. In reality, Iwata said that he hopes third parties who are currently supporting the Wii U won't regret that choice.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=548496
Versus the English translation:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/130430qa/03.html
"It is important to have supportive companies enjoy successful sales of a game and feel that their decision to develop something for Wii U was correct."
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Man why are you getting hostile?
You said it was new tech. It was fairly matured tech at the point Wii was using it, just hadn't been mass marketed. That's still quite a bit different than it being "new". Touchscreens were far from new when the DS launched either, they just found new uses for them.
New to that specific market? Totally. But both fairly mature tech by the time they saw large-scale usage.
Harshin' my buzz.
Most likely yes, but sometimes Nintendo react in surprising ways. If this lack of support hurts them with the mass market, they may think about ways to supply their own sport games, and EA may have helped create a competitor. Perhaps we'll see in the short term marketing deals with Konami /PES, which was a great game on Wii anyway. Longer term, who knows? Has THQ not got teams for sale with expertise in sports games? If N are serious about the Western market, now Iwata has a desk here, it might get interesting.
Obviously, but still, "regret" has a nice ring to it.
Ninja Scooter
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I'm not getting hostile at all.
What I mean by new tech is new to the average consumer. They didn't know that ms sidewinder existed just like they didnt know MP3 players and touch screen devices existed before apple. I'm sure there was some sort of motion tech before Wii but its not about who did it first, it's about who did it best. Wii thanks to Wii Sports did it best. Tablets have already been done well. The iPad came out in 2010. There is nothing Nintendo could have done to make that appeal to passerbys and casuals in the same way.
Sorry didnt mean to come off hostile.
I Stalk Alone
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Thunder Monkey
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Probably didn't but I'm getting sleepier as the hours creep by.
The level head of a few hours ago needs some bourbon or burnables. Will settle for burnable greenery because no whiskey to be had.
Not that it would matter, as Iwata wasn't speaking English at that meeting. It doesn't matter what ring "regret" has to it because he didn't use that word.
Steve Youngblood
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I can't fathom why anyone would think it would be advantageous for a platform holder to let hurt feelings get in the way of there being money to be made. Unless they're releasing shovel ware that will reflect poorly on the platform, why would Nintendo want to make a publisher jump through hoops when they benefit from having more games on their platform both in terms of library diversity and licensing fees.
Projectjustice
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4 years later.
Hm, does this happen in other industries? Nit saying this as some sort of "oh, how our industry is so terrible" kind of statement. Just curious for the sake of discussion. Do upper level McDonald's managers ever say, " lol at Burger King for their greasy and life threatening burgers" or a Bank of America employee tweet "fifth third bank sucks and their investment policy is that of a school boy"
FrozenCell
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i'm happy every time when a region locked console dies, this isn't 90s anymore.
I assume you have no intention to get a Wii U and enjoy its games, am I wrong?
Wrong about the Xbox there. Microsoft planned it as a massive loss maker that would only last a couple of years. The whole point was to use it and its successor as a brute force entry to the games industry/living room, and it worked.
Its not comparable to the Wii U AT ALL.
What will 3rd party devs do without Nintendo. It's like 1996-now all over again.
nkarafo
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I do agree with you but there's also the fact that, most of the times, a developer will see graphics as a priority on a powerful machine. On a "modest" hardware there is no reason to put too many resources and development time on graphics, leaving more room for other things like game design, gameplay, interesting art direction, etc. Lets not forget the development costs, good graphics are expensive so they have to cater to the mainstream to see profits. And mainstream gaming equals shallow gameplay most of the time.
But yes, assuming a developer cares for gameplay, the more powerful machine will allow for more freedom of movement.
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Rollo Lawson
Banned
At least somebody finally told the truth...