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[Dave Meltzer]

Nintendo should have just gone with an advanced Wii remote Nunchuck. Thrown in the pro controller for the standard set up.

I still don't understand their motivations for dropping the motion control focus. They seemed to imply it was to focus on core games or something. But they could have achieved that by just sticking a regular controller in the box with a motion control one, like Microsoft are doing. Nothing about Wii U makes sense.

 

[ymmv]

No, real talk = no p.r. intermediary. not 'truth' or whatever, just real.

edit: it is like the polar opposite of politician speak.

Or someone like Reggie. There's nothing worse than an interview with a PR person.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Or in a worse one. Gamecube tanked, and that thing was even cheaper and offered comparable performance.

Well I personally think they should have just called it NEW Wii with the NSMB font and packed NSMB in it.

At $249 with that good of a pack-in and the rest of the launch titles? I probably would have bought one.

And every Nintendo console I personally buy at launch is a resounding success. The Math is irrefutable wsippel.

 

[ymmv]

I still don't understand their motivations for dropping the motion control focus. They seemed to imply it was to focus on core games or something. But they could have achieved that by just sticking a regular controller in the box with a motion control one, like Microsoft are doing. Nothing about Wii U makes sense.

How could anyone at Nintendo think a setup like this was a good idea?

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Well I personally think they should have just called it NEW Wii with the NSMB font and packed NSMB in it.

At $249 with that good of a pack-in and the rest of the launch titles? I probably would have bought one.

And every Nintendo console I personally buy at launch is a resounding success. The Math is irrefutable wsippel.

New Wii would sound awful after, like, 2 months. "Hey did you buy Zelda for New Wii?"

Just call it Wii 2. It's simple and tells you everything you need to know. Plus you can be cute and pretend it's "we too". Everyone wins.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

New Wii would sound awful after, like, 2 months. "Hey did you buy Zelda for New Wii?"

Just call it Wii 2. It's simple and tells you everything you need to know. Plus you can be cute and pretend it's "we too". Everyone wins.

Nah, I think it's awesome and would bring the industry around full circle again.

"Can I get that new Wii?"

Just like my mother buying the SNES and N64 "Do you guys have the new Nintendo?"

 

[fritolay]

I think the Wii was cool, and was the thing everyone had to have.

Then Apple struck gold with the ipod and then iphone

Both now I think the coolness and the "must have" mentality for consumers has passed.

Consumers are looking at the value of Apple products and competition and seeing that it is expensive hardware that doesn't do a lot more than other products. It is over priced for what it offers compared to competition. That is exactly what Nintendo is offering today with the Wii U. People pay more for less when it is the must have thing that is just the way it works keep up with the Joneses. Why do people pay more for a car when they can get just as good a car from another company, because it looks cool or people think it makes them look cool.

What Nintendo is dealing with is consumers that don't need the Wii U to have the next cool thing as it just simply has not taken that line. No hype but just reality and the reality is that the new system just doesn't have a lot of things people want in a console FOR THE PRICE. If people spend more time streaming videos and using apps than playing games on the XBOX 360 that tells you what the general public, not GAF, want in a home video console. And this is exactly what MS has been going for the box that people use in their living room

If the Wii U was less 100 to 200 dollars then everything would be different. Apple isn't going to sell their next iphone for less than the competition just to move sales. The different between Apple products and Nintendo's is that Apple has a huge profit margin, highest profit margins among most all consumer products and Nintendo does not. That is why Apple is fine and Nintendo is not.

 

[LuchaShaq]

I still don't understand their motivations for dropping the motion control focus. They seemed to imply it was to focus on core games or something. But they could have achieved that by just sticking a regular controller in the box with a motion control one, like Microsoft are doing. Nothing about Wii U makes sense.

Hey guys you see the ipad!?? How about a game controller that is way lower res, crappy battery life, resistive touch screen! Just like an ipad right! Cmon ios people buy our tablet too!!

 

[Coolwhip]

I think the Wii was cool, and was the thing everyone had to have.

Then Apple struck gold with the ipod and then iphone

Both now I think the coolness and the "must have" mentality for consumers has passed.

Consumers are looking at the value of Apple products and competition and seeing that it is expensive hardware that doesn't do a lot more than other products. It is over priced for what it offers compared to competition. That is exactly what Nintendo is offering today with the Wii U. People pay more for less when it is the must have thing that is just the way it works keep up with the Joneses. Why do people pay more for a car when they can get just as good a car from another company, because it looks cool or people think it makes them look cool.

What Nintendo is dealing with is consumers that don't need the Wii U to have the next cool thing as it just simply has not taken that line. No hype but just reality and the reality is that the new system just doesn't have a lot of things people want in a console FOR THE PRICE. If people spend more time streaming videos and using apps than playing games on the XBOX 360 that tells you what the general public, not GAF, want in a home video console. And this is exactly what MS has been going for the box that people use in their living room

If the Wii U was less 100 to 200 dollars then everything would be different. Apple isn't going to sell their next iphone for less than the competition just to move sales. The different between Apple products and Nintendo's is that Apple has a huge profit margin, highest profit margins among most all consumer products and Nintendo does not. That is why Apple is fine and Nintendo is not.

I think MS will have a very hard time selling the next Xbox as a media device. In 2014 Apple is coming with a tv solution, in the coming months years a lot of companies will come up with media solutions for tv. All of them will be much much cheaper than a Xbox 720.

And then you have to wonder how relevant the tv will be in the coming years. Most people have a mobile device glued to their hands.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Hey guys you see the ipad!?? How about a game controller that is way lower res, crappy battery life, resistive touch screen! Just like an ipad right! Cmon ios people buy our tablet too!!

"We'll make millions!" Shiggy exclaims.

"Billions Shiggy..." Iwata replies.

"Right." Shiggy laughs.

"Iwata cries*

 

[kinggroin]

I think the Wii was cool, and was the thing everyone had to have.

Then Apple struck gold with the ipod and then iphone

Both now I think the coolness and the "must have" mentality for consumers has passed.

Consumers are looking at the value of Apple products and competition and seeing that it is expensive hardware that doesn't do a lot more than other products. It is over priced for what it offers compared to competition. That is exactly what Nintendo is offering today with the Wii U. People pay more for less when it is the must have thing that is just the way it works keep up with the Joneses. Why do people pay more for a car when they can get just as good a car from another company, because it looks cool or people think it makes them look cool.

What Nintendo is dealing with is consumers that don't need the Wii U to have the next cool thing as it just simply has not taken that line. No hype but just reality and the reality is that the new system just doesn't have a lot of things people want in a console FOR THE PRICE. If people spend more time streaming videos and using apps than playing games on the XBOX 360 that tells you what the general public, not GAF, want in a home video console. And this is exactly what MS has been going for the box that people use in their living room

If the Wii U was less 100 to 200 dollars then everything would be different. Apple isn't going to sell their next iphone for less than the competition just to move sales. The different between Apple products and Nintendo's is that Apple has a huge profit margin, highest profit margins among most all consumer products and Nintendo does not. That is why Apple is fine and Nintendo is not.

I don't think the Wii losing steam and floundering towards the end had more to do with Apple's.mobile success than it did with Nintendo's inadequate support in the twilight years. Just Dance had no problems selling shitloads post Nintendo-support, don't see why good software from them couldn't have done the same, and allowed the brand to have clout coming into this current platform.

 

[Dremark]

What is it with twitter bringing the stupidity in people?

They see "twit" in the name of the site and act accordingly.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Now EA got too far.

Nintendo, if they have any respect for their reputation, should respond to this.

What would you want them to say? Nintendo can´t win this situation regardless of what they say.

 

[AniHawk]

I still don't understand their motivations for dropping the motion control focus. They seemed to imply it was to focus on core games or something. But they could have achieved that by just sticking a regular controller in the box with a motion control one, like Microsoft are doing. Nothing about Wii U makes sense.

yeah, that's particularly confusing. the wii u should have been a refinement on what was explored with the wii. the gamecube to wii's n64. the snes to nes. nintendo wasn't going to reinvent the wheel again and they didn't need to.

...but if they did feel the need for that, they went about it the completely wrong way. they should have plucked one idea from science fiction and made it a reality. occulus rift does that now. it would have actually been the perfect thing to get for a home console with motion controls and not a whole lot of extra power inside.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Silly me, all this time I thought the videogames industry was about videogames.

Advanced tech and graphics are very important parts of videogames.

 

[Coolwhip]

"We'll make millions!" Shiggy exclaims.

"Billions Shiggy..." Iwata replies.

"Right." Shiggy laughs.

"Iwata cries*

They thought a Nintendo DS for the tv would work. I doubt Nintendo even looked at the tablet trends.

I was going to make a thread why I think the Wii U gamepad is a flawed concept, but I think that's probably a bad idea right now.

I don't think the Wii losing steam and floundering towards the end had more to do with Apple's.mobile success than it did with Nintendo's inadequate support in the twilight years. Just Dance had no problems selling shitloads post Nintendo-support, don't see why good software from them couldn't have done the same, and allowed the brand to have clout coming into this current platform.

Yep, Nintendo struck gold with Wii, but then showed the owners the finger in the later years.

 

[TheMagician]

Even the demo pods are crap. I've seen people flicking through the list of games not knowing there are a couple of demos hidden amongst all the info.

 

[jdforge]

What would you want them to say? Nintendo can´t win this situation regardless of what they say.

Nintendo will say nothing but their actions will do all the talking.

This rift will hurt EA much worse than Nintendo in the long run.

 

[kinggroin]

yeah, that's particularly confusing. the wii u should have been a refinement on what was explored with the wii. the gamecube to wii's n64. the snes to nes. nintendo wasn't going to reinvent the wheel again and they didn't need to.

...but if they did feel the need for that, they went about it the completely wrong way. they should have plucked one idea from science fiction and made it a reality. occulus rift does that now. it would have actually been the perfect thing to get for a home console with motion controls and not a whole lot of extra power inside.

Should have, ONLY if the Wii brand was worth carrying over in the first place. Nintendo did their best to ensure that wasn't the case (yet incompetently used it anyway)

 

[Thunder Monkey]

yeah, that's particularly confusing. the wii u should have been a refinement on what was explored with the wii. the gamecube to wii's n64. the snes to nes. nintendo wasn't going to reinvent the wheel again and they didn't need to.

...but if they did feel the need for that, they went about it the completely wrong way. they should have plucked one idea from science fiction and made it a reality. occulus rift does that now. it would have actually been the perfect thing to get for a home console with motion controls and not a whole lot of extra power inside.

*bows*

If they were going to launch at way too high a price for a Nintendo console they definitely need more than they brought to instill any kind of sense of wonder into the product. Some clear vision of the future.

What we got... well I'm sure Nintendo's games will be awesome on it. But an inspiring vision into the future of game design it is not. More like some weird offshoot.

 

[Ingueferroque]

Extremely unprofessional.

I don't care how much of that is actually true, that's completely disrespectful.

What? He's talking about a corporation, not Ninty.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Hey guys you see the ipad!?? How about a game controller that is way lower res, crappy battery life, resistive touch screen! Just like an ipad right! Cmon ios people buy our tablet too!!

Say what you will about the Wii bringing forth-motion control gaming, but at least it was something relatively new and unique in the tech/entertainment world when it came out.

I still have no clue why Nintendo rejected the Blue Ocean strategy they kept harping on about in the mid 2000's. The 3DS and Wii U are so reactionary to current fads and trends it's no wonder their defining features failed to take off.

 

[fritolay]

What would you want them to say? Nintendo can´t win this situation regardless of what they say.

I actually have started feeling bad for Nintendo and I don't know why. It's like a friend you grew up with that you heard was beat up and put into a hospital, makes you sad and angry and the person that did it. Maybe you find out your friend was never beat up but just had been taken down a bad path in life and overdosed on drugs. You still feel sad, but you also blame them some.

This is what Nintendo is to me, and old friend that took wrong turns in life and overdosed, laying in a hospital bed. Yeah your friend can bounce back and Nintendo can too, but they have to make smarter decisions in the future.

 

[Acquiescence]

57 pages?! Holy hell. All I've read is the opening post.

 

[daycru]

I invite Nintendo to my birthday party every year.

They never show up.

 

[Coolwhip]

yeah, that's particularly confusing. the wii u should have been a refinement on what was explored with the wii. the gamecube to wii's n64. the snes to nes. nintendo wasn't going to reinvent the wheel again and they didn't need to.

...but if they did feel the need for that, they went about it the completely wrong way. they should have plucked one idea from science fiction and made it a reality. occulus rift does that now. it would have actually been the perfect thing to get for a home console with motion controls and not a whole lot of extra power inside.

Indeed. The Wii U should have been Wii 2, improved motion controls with an improved Wavebird as secondary controls. Put in enough bits so it can produce good visuals in 720p/1080p and price it 199-249. And of course not let Wii die and lose all momentum.

I realised something that really scares me, I agreed with Pachter on Wii HD. Nooooooooooooooo

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I have to admit, that was good, lol.

You flipped out about it in the other thread.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Indeed. The Wii U should have been Wii 2, improved motion controls with an improved Wavebird as secondary controls. Put in enough bits so it can produce good visuals in 720p/1080p and price it 199-249. And of course not let Wii die and lose all momentum.

It's safe to say that the Wii was a complete mystery to them. Why it was successful and more importantly how to maintain that.

 

[Vampirolol]

How could anyone at Nintendo think a setup like this was a good idea?

That's because we see the wiimote as something different, not just like the Nintendo Wii gamepad. It's like using DS3 and DS4 on a ps4, with a big difference between them that results in something fun. I'm not defending Nintendo, that setup looks horrible but it's just about our perception.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Today is just a giant circle wank for Nintendo haters.

I look forward to the day that they not only realize that after the first few million Next gen console sales of their favorite company, it will be the same, but probably worse due to price.

Of course by then, the Wii U will likely be even more affordable, and finally have games. Just like the 3DS before it.

Where's the Vita by the way? Oh yeah, still selling like crap after almost 2 years.

Ahahahahaha. MOAR. GIVE ME MOAR.

 

[Coolwhip]

It's safe to say that the Wii was a complete mystery to them. Why it was successful and more importantly how to maintain that.

Yes, pretty sad for a multi billion dollar company really.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Or maybe they just didn't have the resources to maintain that with their new handheld launching and then floundering, leaving Wii to die a slow death.

Come around to their new home console, and they have nothing to release at launch, and very little of consequence all the way to it's first August. And saying Pikmin is of consequence is probably overselling it by a metric fuckton.

 

[TheMagician]

That's because we see the wiimote as something different, not just like the Nintendo Wii gamepad. It's like using DS3 and DS4 on a ps4, with a big difference between them that results in something fun. I'm not defending Nintendo, that setup looks horrible but it's just about our perception.

It also creates the vibe with me that they're only using Wiimotes because they couldn't make a console which could use multiple gamepads.

 

[Coolwhip]

Or maybe they just didn't have the resources to maintain that with their new handheld launching and then floundering, leaving Wii to die a slow death.

Come around to their new home console, and they have nothing to release at launch, and very little of consequence all the way to it's first August. And saying Pikmin is of consequence is probably overselling it by a metric fuckton.

With the Wii warchest? They definately had the resources. Unless you mean manpower. That's something where Iwata failed at least, realising Nintendo had to expand their teams by large amounts to prevent a Wii 2 launch year without games.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Or maybe they just didn't have the resources to maintain that with their new handheld launching and then floundering, leaving Wii to die a slow death.

Come around to their new home console, and they have nothing to release at launch, and very little of consequence all the way to it's first August. And saying Pikmin is of consequence is probably overselling it by a metric fuckton.

Not having resources after you've had an explosion in profit with Wii and DS is a sign of terrible management. Any sensible company would have taken advantage of that position and expanded to improve their future products. Nintendo just added it to a pile of money.

 

[Vampirolol]

It also creates the vibe with me that they're only using Wiimotes because they couldn't make a console which could use multiple gamepads.

Yes. They clearly invented the "asimmetrical" muliplayer only to justify this. It's fun, but it feels like something they came up randomly during development.

 

[Projectjustice]

Advanced tech and graphics are very important parts of videogames.

DS, Wii, and PS2 says hello.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Why do developers and other inside folks take to twitter and facebook to say stuff like this? Completely mind boggling. Specially if your feed is for the world to see. See Adam Orth for an example.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

DS, Wii, and PS2 says hello.

PS2 was a massive leap over PS1. DS was a massive leap over GBA.

Wii is the only example of being able to release a system that has no graphical improvement over your previous product and still be successful. And we all know why it succeeded.

 

[Portugeezer]

How could anyone at Nintendo think a setup like this was a good idea?

Indeed. Even for Pikmin 3 they are focussing more on motion controls for it.

 

[nkarafo]

DS, Wii, and PS2 says hello.

Also "advanced tech and graphics" don't seem to help the Vita very much.

 

[Projectjustice]

PS2 was a massive leap over PS1. DS was a massive leap over GBA.

Wii is the only example of being able to release a system that has no graphical improvement over your previous product and still be successful. And we all know why it succeeded.

But weaker compared to the competition and thats the point.

3DS says hello too!

Also "advanced tech and graphics" don't seem to help the Vita very much.

Excatly.

 

[Portugeezer]

But weaker compared to the competition and thats the point.

3DS says hello too!

It's not the point. They were substantial leaps from previous gen, Wii was an anomaly and Wii U won't replicate half the success (and I want them to do well).

 

[Dave Meltzer]

But weaker compared to the competition and thats the point.

3DS says hello too!



Excatly.

Being weaker that the opposition doesn't matter if you can still provide a valid reason to upgrade over the tech that you previously have. Most people didn't upgrade from an Xbox to a PS2. They went from a PS1 to a PS2. That leap was sufficient. DS over GBA as a hardware experience had superior graphics and the touch screen was, at the time, novel.

Being more powerful than everything else doesn't mean you'll win, but in general you need to give people a superior graphical experience compared to what they were playing 2-3 years ago. Vita failed because of it's price. It didn't fail because technical improvements aren't selling points. Wii U has nothing over an Xbox 360 besides a gimmick that has no appeal

 

[FyreWulff]

It also creates the vibe with me that they're only using Wiimotes because they couldn't make a console which could use multiple gamepads.

The Gamepad is using just under the maximum throughput of Wireless N. The reason two gamepads result in 30fps is because since they're at the maximum throughput of Wireless N, they have to send each pad every other frame.

A bit of one and a bit of the other, but it's not really "they couldn't figure it out", more "they're at the limits of current technology".

 

[ascii42]

But weaker compared to the competition and thats the point.

3DS says hello too!

No it isn't, it was a full year before anybody saw something better than the PS2's graphics. People raved about the graphics at the time.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

With the Wii warchest? They definately had the resources. Unless you mean manpower. That's something where Iwata failed at least, realising Nintendo had to expand their teams by large amounts to prevent a Wii 2 launch year without games.

Not having resources after you've had an explosion in profit with Wii and DS is a sign of terrible management. Any sensible company would have taken advantage of that position and expanded to improve their future products. Nintendo just added it to a pile of money.

I meant manpower. Sorry.

Been up for a while.

 

[Koren]

Hey guys you see the ipad!?? How about a game controller that is way lower res, crappy battery life, resistive touch screen! Just like an ipad right! Cmon ios people buy our tablet too!!

Probably partly true, but the lower res was needed (there're already visible compression, and they wouldn't have such a low-lag wireless display at a higher resolution) and personnally, IR barrier > resistive > induction > capacitive for this kind of device (but I easily reckon it's a matter of taste).

There's no excuse for the battery life, especially seing third-party offering with higher battery life... even if with the craddle, I've yet to be bothered by the battery life myself.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

But weaker compared to the competition and thats the point.

3DS says hello too!



Excatly.

The Wii motes were, at the time, advanced tech. There is nothing new or advance about a tablet in 2012.

 

[maverick40]

Nintendo will say nothing but their actions will do all the talking.

This rift will hurt EA much worse than Nintendo in the long run.

No it won't, this shit annoys me. Do you think monkeys work at EA or something? they are the biggest publisher in the world for a reason so drop the conspiracy bull.

THe Wii U is a complete disaster and I am glad publishers are finally doin Something about it