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[OrangeJulius]

Yes hyperbole, he's saying that Galaxy is the ONLY good Wii game. That's crazy.

hyperbole
1. an obvious and intentional exaggeration.

Who are you to say it's an exaggeration though? People have different tastes. It's not at all unreasonable or "crazy" (hyperbole much?) to believe someone genuinely thinks Mario Galaxy is the only good Wii game.

It may not be a popular opinion, but it's not hyperbole. That word is used far to often on the internet and not in proper context. What he stated was a purely subjective opinion.

As someone who has known some genuinely crazy people, your post rings far more as hyperbole than his. Not liking a popular video game doesn't make you crazy, it's just a dissenting opinion.

 

[jimi_dini]

this board is rated R for real-life.

Nope. This board is rated M for strictly moderated.

 

[hokahey]

The people who criticise Nintendo are usually people like me that likes their games but hate their hardware. Nintendo disappoint me. Everything is always so compromised. I could afford a Wii U, I just don't want to support it.

You really hate their hardware? Like, hate? I mean, I'll give you I'm a Nintendo fan, but I'm a gamer above all else. And its not like they're releasing 8 bit systems. In fact, a game like NFS on WiiU is the definitive console version in terms of processing power.

It just seems like people that don't "get" Nintendo desperately want them to fail so they can feel better about it.

And boy do I feel sorry for gamers not enjoying the magic of Nintendo.

If I could only afford one console I'd still have to go Nintendo. Not play the new Mario or Zelda? Are you fucking kidding me?

And those rooting for a 3rd party Nintendo, did you forget what happened to Sega?

The magic would die.

And another important part of gaming would die.

Shame on those rooting against Nintendo.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Who are you to say it's an exaggeration though? People have different tastes. It's not at all unreasonable or "crazy" (hyperbole much?) to believe someone genuinely thinks Mario Galaxy is the only good Wii game.

that's not a rational or reasonable argument.


There's a difference between not enjoying other games and not acknowledging that other games not to your tastes are still excellent games.

It is intellectually dishonest hyperbole to suggest the Wii had one good game over its lifetime just as it is to say that about any other console or platform. It makes you sound stupid, and it makes people leaping to defend that guy sound stupid.

 

[Professor Beef]

Yes hyperbole, he's saying that Galaxy is the ONLY good Wii game. That's crazy.

hyperbole
1. an obvious and intentional exaggeration.

To be perfectly honest, I can't recall any Wii games that screamed "BUY ME." He's also right about both Zelda games, to an extent.

You really hate their hardware? Like, hate? I mean, I'll give you I'm a Nintendo fan, but I'm a gamer above all else. And its not like they're releasing 8 bit systems. In fact, a game like NFS on WiiU is the definitive console version in terms of processing power.

It just seems like people that don't "get" Nintendo desperately want them to fail so they can feel better about it.

And boy do I feel sorry for gamers not enjoying the magic of Nintendo.

If I could only afford one console I'd still have to go Nintendo. Not play the new Mario or Zelda? Are you fucking kidding me?

And those rooting for a 3rd party Nintendo, did you forget what happened to Sega?

The magic would die.

And another important part of gaming would die.

Shame on those rooting against Nintendo.

I can't tell if this post is sarcasm or not, but I have actively avoided playing Galaxy 2 and Skyward Sword simply because of their controls.

 

[hokahey]

Who are you to say it's an exaggeration though? People have different tastes. It's not at all unreasonable or "crazy" (hyperbole much?) to believe someone genuinely thinks Mario Galaxy is the only good Wii game.

It may not be a popular opinion, but it's not hyperbole. That word is used far to often on the internet and not in proper context. What he stated was a purely subjective opinion.

As someone who has known some genuinely crazy people, your post rings far more as hyperbole than his. Not liking a popular video game doesn't make you crazy, it's just a dissenting opinion.

Its ridiculous hyperbole. One good game? Hell, you'd have to say Galaxy 2 is at least on par.

It screams hyperbole and an agenda driven bias.

Immaturity as well.

Fan boy bullshit. Clearly.

Grow up.

 

[Flightmare]

ClovingWestbrook
Banned
(Today, 07:16 PM)

cloving had too much fun playing with Nintendo fans in this thread.

RIP

Dammit, hope it's not perm

 

[hokahey]

To be perfectly honest, I can't recall any Wii games that screamed "BUY ME." He's also right about both Zelda games, to an extent.

Then you're very uneducated on the library.

And did you play through both Zelda games? Do you like Zelda? If yes, there's no way you could consider them trash. You may dislike them compared to other Zelda games, but to refer to them in the same manner you would Imagine Babyz is nonsense.

 

[Horse Armour]

ClovingWestbrook
Banned
(Today, 07:16 PM)

cloving had too much fun playing with Nintendo fans in this thread.

RIP

Dammit, hope it's not perm

Kabouter confirmed that ClovingSteam was permed. Not surprised since he was on watch for the last time he was banned on gaming side. Guess the allure of righting Nintendo fan wrongs was too strong.

 

[sycam0re]

This. It's like all the frat boys grew up and took over the gaming industry.

I think people have always been this way, it's just now that Twitter exists and demands that every personal opinion be made public.

 

[OrangeJulius]

that's not a rational or reasonable argument.


There's a difference between not enjoying other games and not acknowledging that other games not to your tastes are still excellent games.

It is intellectually dishonest hyperbole to suggest the Wii had one good game over its lifetime just as it is to say that about any other console or platform. It makes you sound stupid, and it makes people leaping to defend that guy sound stupid.

Get out of here with that intellectually dishonest crap. I never said anything about the games being well crafted or not. I said him not liking them is not hyperbole. I don't recall him saying in his post that he called the games bad from a technical or artistic perspective.

Here is his quote.

"That's not weird at all. Mario Galaxy is the only Wii game worth a damn. Both Zelda's were hot garbage, Smash was worse than its predecessor and Mario Kart Wii was for babies"

That just looks like a dudes opinion to me, maybe not particularly well voiced, but just an opinion. If you see that as some kind of ultra dramatic hyperbole than you must have really thin skin.

Intellectually dishonest!?!! Christ....it's fucking video games, you like them or you don't, let's not act like they are high art.

 

[hokahey]

I can't tell if this post is sarcasm or not, but I have actively avoided playing Galaxy 2 and Skyward Sword simply because of their controls.

The controls in those games have little in common.

And perhaps you should actively pursue playing a game before having a strong opinion on it.

How asinine is it to disparage something you've never experienced for yourself?

 

[Professor Beef]

Then you're very uneducated on the library.

And did you play through both Zelda games? Do you like Zelda? If yes, there's no way you could consider them trash. You may dislike them compared to other Zelda games, but to refer to them in the same manner you would Imagine Babyz is nonsense.

I said "to an extent" for a reason.

And I know about the library. I know about all the games that the Nintendo fans on GAF talk about, but none of them appeal to me. I played Galaxy 1, didn't like the controls, so instead I was P2 and helped a friend beat the game. I played the Wii version of Twilight Princess, hated the waggle, and beat the game on Gamecube instead, and promptly traded it in afterwards.

Finding out that Skyward Sword was only motion controls was the nail in the coffin in my eyes. I knew I wasn't going to like the controls, because I don't like motion controls in the slightest, so I read up on the ending when it leaked.

It's fine if people like Nintendo, I'm not gonna try and force an agenda on people. But it's been clear since the Wii that they're moving in a direction I want no part of. Admittedly I am kinda excited for the new Sonic games, but I'll be waiting for a price drop first and foremost. Maybe around $100-150.

 

[Jonm1010]

You really hate their hardware? Like, hate? I mean, I'll give you I'm a Nintendo fan, but I'm a gamer above all else. And its not like they're releasing 8 bit systems. In fact, a game like NFS on WiiU is the definitive console version in terms of processing power.

It just seems like people that don't "get" Nintendo desperately want them to fail so they can feel better about it.

And boy do I feel sorry for gamers not enjoying the magic of Nintendo.

If I could only afford one console I'd still have to go Nintendo. Not play the new Mario or Zelda? Are you fucking kidding me?

And those rooting for a 3rd party Nintendo, did you forget what happened to Sega?

The magic would die.

And another important part of gaming would die.

Shame on those rooting against Nintendo.

Yeah I didn't like the wii-mote. I didn't like the fact I was paying 250 dollars for last gen tech with a gimmick attached to it that was so industry changing that Nintendo basically abandoned it a gen later.

I don't like that the wiiU is a current gen console pretending be next gen with a dirt-poor-mans ipad tacked on that inflated the price.

I said in earlier posts I would whole heartedly welcome a lower speced Nintendo console if they did other things better and fostered a more diverse and plentiful games environment but this console and their last isn't that.

Ill get it for Mario once the price of the and and console has sufficiently dropped and ill probably grab the other two or three marquee games the co sole has by its gen end. But that's the extent of my interest in the console and seemingly a lot of other people right now.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

You really hate their hardware? Like, hate? I mean, I'll give you I'm a Nintendo fan, but I'm a gamer above all else. And its not like they're releasing 8 bit systems. In fact, a game like NFS on WiiU is the definitive console version in terms of processing power.

It just seems like people that don't "get" Nintendo desperately want them to fail so they can feel better about it.

And boy do I feel sorry for gamers not enjoying the magic of Nintendo.

If I could only afford one console I'd still have to go Nintendo. Not play the new Mario or Zelda? Are you fucking kidding me?

And those rooting for a 3rd party Nintendo, did you forget what happened to Sega?

The magic would die.

And another important part of gaming would die.

Shame on those rooting against Nintendo.

I'll buy a Wii U just to play Mario. That should give you an indication of my views on Mario games. But in general, Wii as a system was just a constant barrage of disappointing games. I loved Twilight Princess with waggle. I loved Mario Galaxy. Other than that, nothing on the system made up for the the awful graphics and forcing motion controls in so many games where they didn't need to be there (sup, DKC?)

This whole "magic" argument is just embarrassing. There's nothing more magical about NSMBW than Super Meat Boy. There's just a less engaging game on worse hardware.

 

[Flightmare]

Kabouter confirmed that ClovingSteam was permed. Not surprised since he was on watch for the last time he was banned on gaming side. Guess the allure of righting Nintendo fan wrongs was too strong.

RIP

 

[ymmv]

You really hate their hardware? Like, hate? I mean, I'll give you I'm a Nintendo fan, but I'm a gamer above all else. And its not like they're releasing 8 bit systems. In fact, a game like NFS on WiiU is the definitive console version in terms of processing power.

It just seems like people that don't "get" Nintendo desperately want them to fail so they can feel better about it.

And boy do I feel sorry for gamers not enjoying the magic of Nintendo.

If I could only afford one console I'd still have to go Nintendo. Not play the new Mario or Zelda? Are you fucking kidding me?

And those rooting for a 3rd party Nintendo, did you forget what happened to Sega?

The magic would die.

And another important part of gaming would die.

Shame on those rooting against Nintendo.

Nonsense. I've bought two Nintendo systems so far (Wii and 3DS) and in each case I wished the hardware was in the same class as the rest of the industry. I'd rather play Wii games in an emulator than on the real thing. It's just sad. I'm more impressed by the 3DS, it can look real pretty (and the 3D actually helps IMO) but the graphics still look rough. It's a far cry from what you see on modern hardware like the PS Vita or iPad.

I would applaud Nintendo going software only. That's their absolute strength. Nintendo is so blinded by dollar signs that they'd rather completely cripple their hardware to save a few bucks than invest in powerful but more expensive designs that would make both first and third party games shine. It's too bad that won't happen.

 

[OrangeJulius]

RIP

He was being a little too confrontational for his own good. The GIF could've easily been interpreted as a personal insult and wasn't wise to post. Sucks that it's perma, but if he has priors, what can you do?

 

[Professor Beef]

The controls in those games have little in common.

And perhaps you should actively pursue playing a game before having a strong opinion on it.

How asinine is it to disparage something you've never experienced for yourself?

I already know that I hate motion controls. Why, praytell, would I play a game with motion controls as my only option?

 

[Deleted member 125677]

Kabouter confirmed that ClovingSteam was permed. Not surprised since he was on watch for the last time he was banned on gaming side. Guess the allure of righting Nintendo fan wrongs was too strong.

Dammit, though what he ended up doing here was pretty stupid, I've always liked his posts in general.

RIP Cloving.

 

[Sakura]

Why? How does what he said make you so mad that you want to see him "spited"?

Sounds really passive aggressive duder. Did the guy kick your dog?

I'm not mad. It just sounds very ignorant for a guy who is supposedly the senior software engineer and architect to be saying that the Wii U is weaker than the 360. If the Wii U turned around, 3rd parties did good on the system, and then EA had to turn around and start making games on it taking back what they said, I would find humour in that.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Shame about Cloving. Congrats to the people who pretended to be offended.

 

[Camp Lo]

Kabouter confirmed that ClovingSteam was permed. Not surprised since he was on watch for the last time he was banned on gaming side. Guess the allure of righting Nintendo fan wrongs was too strong.

Wha... I knew he was going hard but... dang.

 

[ASIS]

I already know that I hate motion controls. Why, praytell, would I play a game with motion controls as my only option?

Because the controls vary greatly from game to game. Unless you really despite moving anything on your body other than your fingers. Then yeah I guess.

That doesn't mean you have to try every single Wiimote game to assert that motion controls are for you. But if people say controls are different, chances are the controls ARE different.

 

[Mileena]

To be perfectly honest, I can't recall any Wii games that screamed "BUY ME." He's also right about both Zelda games, to an extent.


I can't tell if this post is sarcasm or not, but I have actively avoided playing Galaxy 2 and Skyward Sword simply because of their controls.

This. I don't care if they're both 11/10 games, fuck that "controller"

 

[OrangeJulius]

Because the controls vary greatly from game to game. Unless you really despite moving anything on your body other than your fingers. Then yeah I guess.

That doesn't mean you have to try every single Wiimote game to assert that motion controls are for you. But if people say controls are different, chances are the controls ARE different.

I don't see anything wrong with not trying a game based on motion controls. Some people just want to sit down and relax after a 12 hour work day and play a game. Not stand up and waggle a stick around.

I am against motion controls for that very reason. I wouldn't mind so much if Nintendo at least implemented standard controls as an option in all their games, but they don't.

 

[Professor Beef]

Because the controls vary greatly from game to game. Unless you really despite moving anything on your body other than your fingers. Then yeah I guess.

That doesn't mean you have to try every single Wiimote game to assert that motion controls are for you. But if people say controls are different, chances are the controls ARE different.

Are the controls from Galaxy 1 to 2 greatly varied? Because even from a cursory glance, it doesn't seem so. And like I mentioned, I wasn't a fan of the controls. I was mainly referring to SS in that post you quoted, though.

 

[Daingurse]

This. I don't care if they're both 11/10 games, fuck that "controller"

I tried to like Skyward Sword, I really did. I made it past the frustrating hand-holding intro, but seriously waggle ruined the game. Christ, the only game with motion controls on the Wii I liked was The Resident Evil rail shooters and Resident Evil 4. And that's really down to the IR pointer, not even motion control.

 

[metalslimer]

Sorry for Cloving, but you needed to be able to argue in a much less offensive manner.

 

[polyh3dron]

what a way to go out, out like a cloving

 

[Projectjustice]

He was a bit hostile. Oh well.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

Shame about Cloving. Congrats to the people who pretended to be offended.

He knew what he was getting himself into. People may have brought attention to the post but he pretty much dared people to PM Blackace/Bish about it. The rules here are pretty strict about that kind of posting - he would've stuck around if he only kept subtly trolling but offensive bigotry is a big no-no here.

It is a shame because he was actually a decent poster for a bit after he got that tag.

This. I don't care if they're both 11/10 games, fuck that "controller"

Shame you can't tolerate something so minor as motion controls to enjoy SMG2. Skyward Sword, I can understand but the Galaxy games don't use it that much unless you also hate the pointer.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Mario Galaxy has stupid tacked on waggle like most Wii games, but its not used enough to really matter.

Skyward Sword actually has worse motion controls than Twilight Princess. Ignore the sword, everything else is worse.

 

[thekad]

Cloving should have known to stop posting on the Gaming side where a bunch of kids are going to get hostile at the slightest offense.

 

[Anticitizen One]

To be perfectly honest, I can't recall any Wii games that screamed "BUY ME." He's also right about both Zelda games, to an extent.

There were very few truely great games on Wii. The only ones that really pop out in my mind were Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and arguably Metroid Prime 3. Excitetruck was decent and I enjoyed the single player campaign in Smash Bros Brawl but everything else felt so "meh" I couldn't really get excited.

I can't tell if this post is sarcasm or not, but I have actively avoided playing Galaxy 2 and Skyward Sword simply because of their controls.

yea I finally bought a wii motion plus to play Skyward sword and the controls are like REALLY bad. I thought it was going to control links arm exactly as how I move but it doesn't.

 

[ASIS]

Are the controls from Galaxy 1 to 2 greatly varied? Because even from a cursory glance, it doesn't seem so. And like I mentioned, I wasn't a fan of the controls. I was mainly referring to SS in that post you quoted, though.

Yes I was talking about SS. The galaxy games are traditional controls + added motion. But I wasn't talking about those.

 

[Mileena]

Shame you can't tolerate something so minor as motion controls to enjoy SMG2. Skyward Sword, I can understand but the Galaxy games don't use it that much unless you also hate the pointer.

It's not minor at all. I'm not gonna get into why I think motion controls are the worst thing to happen to gaming, but if the games really are that great they should release them on Wii U with a traditional control setup. DKCR has already been fixed from it's waggle nonsense in the 3DS port, let's get some of the other Wii heavy hitters fixed too (except on Wii U!)

 

[Dave Meltzer]

It's not minor at all. I'm not gonna get into why I think motion controls are the worst thing to happen to gaming, but if the games really are that great they should release them on Wii U with a traditional control setup. DKCR has already been fixed from it's waggle nonsense in the 3DS port, let's get some of the other Wii heavy hitters fixed too (except on Wii U!)

Galaxy is fine friend trust me I don't think I'd ever lie to you.

 

[Jacobi]

It's not minor at all. I'm not gonna get into why I think motion controls are the worst thing to happen to gaming, but if the games really are that great they should release them on Wii U with a traditional control setup. DKCR has already been fixed from it's waggle nonsense in the 3DS port, let's get some of the other Wii heavy hitters fixed too (except on Wii U!)

Galaxy was really OK. I also stopped playing DKCR because of the shitty waggle roll though (and because I didn't like its artstyle).

 

[metalslimer]

Galaxy pretty much has nothing to do with motion control. Even the extra jump is never needed and is honestly more a correction tool. It was incorporated well with the pointer. What sucked was fireballs, god did those suck. CURSE YOU TRASH CLEANUP STAGE!!!

 

[Little Green Yoda]

It's not minor at all. I'm not gonna get into why I think motion controls are the worst thing to happen to gaming, but if the games really are that great they should release them on Wii U with a traditional control setup. DKCR has already been fixed from it's waggle nonsense in the 3DS port, let's get some of the other Wii heavy hitters fixed too (except on Wii U!)

It's been a while since I've played the Galaxy games but there's the pointer (which isn't waggle and probably the least offensive of the non-traditional controls), shake the Wiimote occasionally, and like 10 levels in the entire game that required you to balance the gyrometer (those were annoying, I agree).

I guess the Wiimote shake is what you hate but it's literally a quick snap of the wrist that happens a few times per level. Could they have made the game without it? Sure, but it seems like a minor thing to fixate on when the rest of the game is so good. It's not like you have to wave your arms around constantly like Wii Sports.

 

[LoftyTheMetroid]

I need to take a break from NeoGAF for awhile, this negativity is getting ridiculous.

I don't know where people are coming from with the Wii library critiques. No good games? After The Walking Dead, I have The Last Story and Sin & Punishment on my backlog. And I just wrapped up Xenoblade not too long ago.

 

[freddy]

Cloving should have known to stop posting on the Gaming side where a bunch of kids are going to get hostile at the slightest offense.

That was his whole reason for posting here.

 

[Sylonious]

It is weird that EA came out with a statement saying they have "no Wii-U games in development" a few days later.

I can understand them wanting to shift their focus, but it seems like they wanted to hurt the Wii-U with that statement.

 

[Chinpoko_Master]

Kabouter confirmed that ClovingSteam was permed. Not surprised since he was on watch for the last time he was banned on gaming side. Guess the allure of righting Nintendo fan wrongs was too strong.

Damn, that sucks. He should've been more careful. I enjoyed his posts so he will be missed.

 

[Margalis]

Damn, that sucks. He should've been more careful. I enjoyed his posts so he will be missed.

All he had to do was edit his post after many people told him it was inappropriate. Instead he doubled-down and dared people to PM a mod.

I don't think the idea even occurred to me until he suggested it.

 

[GoddyofAus]

That's two forum goers accounts that this Wii U saga has claimed.

Moment of silence....

 

[Terrell]

What do you think Nintendo will do? Refuse to allow ea to publish on their system? EA is taking the direction that they feel is in their best financial interest. Sometimes the most obvious answer is the right one, regardless of all the conspiracy theories.

Wait, are you saying Nintendo would, if they managed to turn the Wii U around, refuse to allow EA to develop games for the console as some sort of revenge?

No, I'm saying that in the wake of a hardware manufacturer's weakness, you can manipulate the situation into preferential treatment. And EA is turning up their noses to that.

In this situation, let's look at the next console... Nintendo wants to start passing out early dev kits. You think that EA is going to make the priority list when they've shown zero interest in being a part of Nintendo's business? No, they'll go to EA's competition first, the ones who didn't totally abandon their business. And Nintendo would be able to do this if the generation proves that they can survive without EA. They may be the biggest 3rd-party publisher around, but ceding to your direct competition on a particular hardware platform seems like the most short-sighted move available, especially when you can't predict the future. 3rd-parties have risen and fallen over less.

That's two forum goers accounts that this Wii U saga has claimed.

Moment of silence....

Wait, who was the other?

 

[Morfeo]

Always sad to see people get perma'd, but even though Cloving did try to explain that the picture was not meant to mean retarded, it could far to easily be viewed that way, and was therefore incredibly stupid thing to post. Sad but deserved imo.

 

[Nekofrog]

Always sad to see people get perma'd, but even though Cloving did try to explain that the picture was not meant to mean retarded, it could far to easily be viewed that way, and was therefore incredibly stupid thing to post. Sad but deserved imo.

He knew exactly how it would be received. His intention was for it to be interpreted in one specific way, while still being able to claim "no way bro i didn't call you retarded".

I would have called it a masterful troll, but he didn't get away with it.