This is how I visualize you after seeing one of my posts.
Inappropriate...do you realize what forum you are posting on?
EA Sports Engineer: Wii U is crap, < powerful than 360. No $ 3party. [Tweets Deleted]
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Inappropriate...do you realize what forum you are posting on?
I don't think anyone thinks the arrogant Nintendo of old is the Nintendo of today. However they still are designing their hardware in isolation with little to no concern for third parties wants or needs, still actively ignore emerging trends or completely misinterpreting them, still have patchy technical communication lines with developers(if recent news stories are to be believed), and still cater everything they do on Nintendo first, Nintendo second, Nintendo third and then they work on everyone else.
I do admit that the indie thing is bold and a step in what I feel is a good direction but does Nintendo have the infrastructure, the market share, and the technical support lines to really pull it off and make it worthwhile for indies? The indie thing really seems to come off as something Nintendo tacked on after the fact - much like them supposedly reaching out to third parties - which while nice, really should of had the ground work layed out better much earlier on and may stall out any potential before it could ever get started because of that.
Neon_Icarus
Member
Not saying that they are blameless or anything. Nintendo certainly has a lot of things they can - and must - improve upon. Just saying that their relationship with third parties has changed vastly from the NES and SNES days (unlike some people here were suggesting), and pretty much only for the better.
even if he was lying, which I doubt cuz even if he is wrong it doesn't mean he is lying, but even if he was, why are people upset?
& he works at EA, he is not EA.
People are upset because the bots on here are using this tweet as another way to spread disinformation about Nintendo. Many Wii U owners are optimistic about their new device because it does indeed have a lot of potential, but these supposed gaming enthusiasts are shitting all over it, playing directly into corporate hands. And in the case of EA, those hands are large and dirty with sharp nails and a strong grip.
I definitely agree that they have vastly improved their approach with third parties since then but in other ways I do think they have gotten worse.
Like I was saying earlier, on the hardware side they have moved much further away from what it seems most developers have asked for and it seems to be getting worse with each new generation.
It used to be nintendo was right in line with what developers wanted - technically speaking - but they were dicks when it came to dealing with them. Now it seems that starting with the N64 that they have slowly improved their interactions with developers but have slowly moved away from the hardware and infastructure wants of developers more and more each gen.
Which is what makes them such a frustrating company to me, not since the NES do I feel Nintendo has gotten it just right with their home console.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Bots? Please. Nobody is stopping any Wii U owner from enjoying their system/games (I am enjoying mine). This is a message board for video games in which we discuss what is happening in gaming. The Wii U is the newest system for Nintendo and it's having one of the worst launch periods of any console EVER. Many publishers and developers have refused to offer support. THAT is news whether you like it or not. The system is weaker in many ways than the PS3/360 and stronger in other ways. For a system released in 2012 to only be partially more powerful than hardware released in 2005/2006 isn't something to be proud of.
OrangeJulius
Member
Do you see how hypocritical that sounds though? EA doesn't need defending and neither does Nintendo. They both are billion dollar publicly traded companies with high priced lawyers to defend them. Nobody is performing character assassination on Nintendo or their consoles, people are just calling them like they see them.
If you don't want the masses attacking your precious console and company then stop feeling like you have to defend it. It doesn't need you. Nintendo will be just fine, or it won't. The consumers will decide, with or without GAF's or anyone elses opinion.
Calling people bots is waaaaay too aggressive. People should be allowed to discuss their thoughts of a company without being shat upon.
It does though, it's not like I was being utterly serious or anything..
That's not weird at all. Mario Galaxy is the only Wii game worth a damn. Both Zelda's were mediocre, Smash was worse than its predecessor and Mario Kart Wii was for babies
edit- removed hyperbole Sorry!
I thought Nintendo went to great lengths to involve developers, hence the analog click and other pad features. It's the competition that changed, marketing more to the developers and enticing them with contracts that Nintendo wants no business in. If a developer is that hyped on a little extra horsepower to showcase their graphic prowess and has no interest in exploiting new gameplay possibilities with the gamepad, and they are willing to sign their business away based on overblown promises and flashy parties, they have that option.
EA Response from Kotaku:
"EA has a strong partnership and an active agreement with Nintendo to develop games for the WiiU. Last year we released Mass Effect 3 and several of our EA Sports titles on that platform. So far, we have not announced any new titles for Wii U this year, but that does not preclude more games in the future."
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"EA has a strong partnership and an active agreement with Nintendo to develop games for the WiiU. Last year we released Mass Effect 3 and several of our EA Sports titles on that platform. So far, we have not announced any new titles for Wii U this year, but that does not preclude more games in the future."
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chertipros
Member
Holy hyperbole Batman!
OrangeJulius
Member
No, not hyperbole, subjective opinion.
Some gaffers need to look up the definition of subjective. His opinion may be strong, but it's an opinion.
Hyperbole involves blowing an objective fact out of proportion. For example. It's 90 degrees today, so I may say "it's so hot I may just melt into a puddle of goo".
It is objectively hot by most metrics, (i realize hot can also be subjective, but the to most humans 90 degrees is hot) but I am by no means going to melt. That's hyperbole.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Do you have any proof that MS/Sony paid third parties for support? If so, I'd be interested in seeing said proof. Perhaps it's possible that third parties see the PS4/NextBox as offering them a better opportunity to make money? No, that couldn't be it. Has to be something deeper.
And a little extra horsepower? 8GB of ram to 2GB of ram is a LITTLE extra? If little = 400% more than sure.
Herb Alpert
Banned
damage control. They truly have no games. They will if the system takes off and sells millions. So they won't.
I used to think I was pretty good at passing insults to unsuspecting individuals and masquerading them as something other than them.
But I tip my hat off to you, dear sir.
Truth be told, that particular gif does transmit the idea that the user you quoted is a mentally inferior person, but you brilliantly masqueraded it with a skit from SNL that isn't actually about what many perceive that gif to be.
So you kill two birds with one stone.
You essentially called him a retard but were smart enough to provide evidence of not doing it.
BRAVO.
OT: The sooner nintendo leaves the console business the better. I don't want to buy a gimped system to enjoy Smash brothers or Zelda.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Really? I never interpreted that gif or the skit itself inferring mental disability. If others have well, that's on them. If anyone has further issues with the gif, PM me.
Did I say bots? Oh sorry I meant unpaid interns with multiple accounts.
As we're casually discussing gaming in the spirit of this board, let me propoes a hypothesis. Nintendo didn't launch late, they launched in line with their previous consoles. The competition has been launching early in a desparate attempt to catch up with Nintendo, the only company to make a net profit in the last ten years. Now that they can't afford to sell us another refrigerator they are putting their money into social media and developer relations.
Nintendo is going to bear the storm and prove themselves based on the quality of their work. It's not easier and I'm not trying to argue that it's morally better. I'm rooting for the for the sake of the industry as a whole. Imagine a movie industry with distribution controlled by two companies with the same philosophy--not something I'd be eager to promote.
Jesus, how old are some of you? Have none of you ever seen that skit from SNL? Mike Myers character is hyperactive. He's not calling him retarded even though from the GIF it looks like it.
metalslimer
Member
The age old enough to call for people's head for posting a dumb twitter statement. I personally would shed no tears if his unprofessional ass was ousted, but I hope no one here ever makes a mistake at their job and if they do they should resign in shame to not be hypocritical.
We're talking about the same thing. Paying for support equals a better opportunity to make money equals more enticing contracts. The part about destroying the long term growth of the industry is in the fine print, along with the part where your studios closes if you don't sell millions.
That ram is not going to make a big difference, it's not in balance with the rest. It will make it easier to cut corners programming wise, but the end result will be a game that's marginally better looking and exactly the same gameplay wise. Just remember, when they discount those consoles in order to give you that extra power you end up paying for it in other ways.
This is the same old blame everyone else mentality that Nintendo fanboys trap themselves in.
Nintendo insisted on cartridges and an archaic technical structure with the n64 when the industry was moving toward disc based systems(which along with theri previous rifts with nintendo pushed then powerhouses like namco, square, enix, capcom, EA and countless others to move over to Sony as their homebase). Nintendo stood mostly idle while sony continued to foster and strengthen their relationships in the ps2 era. They refused to embrace online even though developers were unifying in their support and want of a robust online structure the following gen. And instead of re-kindling third party relations they completely abandoned third partys and most of the industry to chase the casual market(which Worked for a while and maybe should of been there focal point going forward - low entry system cost and games that can turn a profit with less revenue).
Now they've continued on the path of weaker specs and more difficult architecture when the industry is embracing PC-style technical specs with easier cross platform developmen(im not saying nintendo needs to match spec for spec with sony/microsoft, I touched on it in an above post). Still haven't fully mastered online, and decided to make a more core gamer focused platform without doing the necessary legwork that Sony and Microsoft did to build their support and third party loyalty.
And don't act like the only thing that has been offered by Sony and Microsoft is just money hats and specs. Especially with the ps4(from what we know), Sony and Microsoft have proven to be very accommodating to the wants and needs of third party developers over the last few gens(each slipping up at times). Microsoft seems to have been slipping in recent years and that seems to show. Problem is you can't for a single console since the nes show that Nintendo has developed their system with third party wants and needs in mind at the forefront and their support from them has bore that out.
Sure they have been innovative in areas(handheld market, analog stick) and that has kept them relevant and respected but the gamepad and the nun chuck have not been the sort of industry changing innovations that the analog stick was. The real long term industry innovations in recent times have come from the growth of online gaming and online infastructure and Nintendo had nothing to do with that other then stomping their feet and refusing to get out in front of the trend.
This is how I visualize you after seeing one of my posts.
Is this sort of behavior really acceptable around here? Awful.
Even citing a source for it doesn't defuse the initial impression the image gives other posters.
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
If only Nintendo could rediscover the art of delivering Megatons like this EA employee.
Yes hyperbole, he's saying that Galaxy is the ONLY good Wii game. That's crazy.
hyperbole
1. an obvious and intentional exaggeration.
Some great points. I guess my best reply is that Nintendo are developers themselves so if they were indeed unresponsive to the needs of developers they would be out of business. My feeling is that as experienced developers, they have more conviction and expertise with knowing the actual needs of developers combined with more understanding of the long term needs of the industry. What these developers are saying they need is different than what they actually need which is different than what history will prove they needed.
I would also argue that the online gaming was promoted prematurely as a way to differentiate from Nintendo. The way it was implemented in the past was not enjoyable for most people. Most people didn't even have broadband until recently.
This sort of behavior? Have you been on the Internet before? Grow the fuck up or get off you mom's computer, this board is rated R for real-life.
Developers that are showing with this new console that they are very behind the ball with what it takes to develop in this era.
And plenty of developers miscalculate the market, miscalculate consumer wants, miscalculate industry trends, miscalculate needs. Sony has first party studios as well. Same with Microsoft.
However onlines ascension came about(I don't think anything supports your claim but speculation) it was the right area to focus growth in and Nintendo has and still is clearly missing the mark in embracing it.
You seem to be clinging to some notion(dare I say fantasy) that Nintendo is almost omnipotent in their decision making process and so brilliant that despite every conceivable metric right now that is pointing to the wiiU being a failure that in reality they are somehow just so far ahead of everyone else that it's not nintendo miscalculating market wants or a failure of successfuly launching a new product, it's somehow they are just so far ahead of everyone else that no one has caught up with them.
It's nice wishful thinking but I think you'd need a little bit more concrete supporting facts for people not to think your just being delusional.
Do note that ClovingWestbrook got banned for that post, indicating that it's not acceptable behavior on NeoGAF. We have rules about respecting other posters.
the business model that Nintendo and EA have are both very different. nintendo is dependent on the customer-business relationship. their entire foundation is on people liking their stuff and wanting their products. if people weren't defending the company, then something is seriously wrong and they're probably doomed as a company. nobody needs nintendo right now. if everyone wakes up tomorrow and decides Mario is a little shithead who has been rehashed too much, Nintendo is gone. they've got nothing. they don't have an Xbox Live service that will force customers to keep themselves in the ecosystem while they scramble to find another way to tap those wallets. they've made no steps to force anything at all on the consumer that would lock them in as future consumers. their primary asset is literally pleased consumers who like their games a lot. if you tried to buy nintendo, i can't imagine how much goodwill you'd be paying over their actual assets.
EA doesn't work like that. EA is so independent that they're an entertainment company that manages to be the most-hated company in the US. they're all about forcing people to need their products. they find a niche, squeeze themselves in, and make the customer need them. i really can't understand the mindset of someone who would defend a business practice like EA. i don't understand one that would hang Nintendo.
Tesseract
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Do note that ClovingWestbrook got banned for that post, indicating that it's not acceptable behavior on NeoGAF. We have rules about respecting other posters.
what's this only for nintendo business?
There's plenty to dislike. Pretty much since the SNES most of these true fans have been disappointed with Nintendo. Generation after generation Nintendo gets trumped by the competition who provide better hardware and better game libraries. It gets to the point where we've had enough with the hoping that Nintendo can be what it was. The loyalty is gone, and that is entirely Nintendo's fault.
Dude Abides
Banned
What is this stupidity?
VGChampion
Member
People who can't afford all three or aren't allowed to get all three systems usually have these arguments. I can see people being mad or disappointed in directions these companies go but rooting against them is just weird. It's not like these big companies want the other ones to fail either. Competition is good.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
The people who criticise Nintendo are usually people like me that likes their games but hate their hardware. Nintendo disappoint me. Everything is always so compromised. I could afford a Wii U, I just don't want to support it.
Littlegator
Banned
But you like their games.
So you want to support it.
Like do you not realize that the telos of the Wii U is not to be a powerhouse but instead to be a fun and interesting home to Nintendo's flagship titles, and to be accompanied by titles with a similar philosophy rather than going for the flavor of the month AAA titles?
It's like saying "I love inexpensive and efficient cars, but I hate cars that aren't muscle cars. Fiat disappoints me. Everything is always so compromised. I could afford a 500, I just don't want to support it."
akidnamededdy
Banned
Prepare for disappointment.
Byakuya769
Member
So you read that as Cloving saying he sees the guy as retarded "after reading one of [his] post"? That doesn't even make any sense.
Leave it be man. Cloving posted a gif, caught the ire of some people, and paid for it. No need to turn the mob on yourself.
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Dammit ClovingWestbrook
Why do you always do this to yourself, why
Context is everything - you can PM a mod if you think that the gif posted in the context of the post with no background information is appropriate
I must admit that I don't know the sketch since SNL is not available here, but I bet there is a bunch of others who don't know it
Why do you always do this to yourself, why
Context is everything - you can PM a mod if you think that the gif posted in the context of the post with no background information is appropriate
I must admit that I don't know the sketch since SNL is not available here, but I bet there is a bunch of others who don't know it
The only hyperbole was describing the Zelda games the way that I did, they were mediocre but I expected more than that. The implication was "this one poster is an anomaly for not liking the wii versions of these core ips" which I disagree with