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[statham]

Anyone who watched E3 on xbox last year, was it behind at all, even a few seconds? I don't want to read web spoilers before I hear them.

 

[jond76]

Trust me, they were secret before that as well.
(it was near impossible to get any kind of info from ex collegues..)

I'll bite. You said "near impossible", so you must've succeeded. Whatcha got?

 

[RoboPlato]

Ok, just because we have less than 2 days left..

Regarding VGLeaks.
How come is that we "trust" these so much as being real?

For example, from "who" does these come from? According to Edge and VGLeaks, they come from "reliable" sources, but what can or who can that be?

Because, one thing that has been crazy obvious is the amount of secrecy and security MS has implemented regarding Durango. I worked/did work for MS during the OG XBox era and I still know some people within the company and it is impossible to get any info from them.

So therefore im amazed that for example superDAE could come over a dev-kit by some social hacking and the whole debacle around it..

Im telling you, the amount of security MS has implemented is SCARY/CRAZY..
But then suddenly, we have Durango-roadmaps, diagrams, devkits.. the works.
And after that, nothing! Its tight again.

So are we supposed to think that MS got sloppy, stuff got leaked and then they tightened the security and nothing comes out anymore? Hmm...

I really don´t know what to think anymore.
The specs could be true, but it can also be a diversion, which is also a possibility.

So, less than one day left.. and soon we will know.
But im saying, there are many strange things going on here. Everything regarding the leaks.. fishy stuff..

The leaks clearly came from third party devs. All the info we have is relevant to development and would be hard to track the source once it got out to lots of game makers.

 

[cyberheater]

If Corinne Yu's team at 343i have something to show: pretty good.

I hope they show something. I'm looking forward to a jaw dropping show.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Trust me, they were secret before that as well.
(it was near impossible to get any kind of info from ex collegues..)

Yes, I guess they were secret, but I think they were more secret after leaks. But apparently some insiders has some info (as thuway).

 

[Phire Phox]

So how where and how are you guys watching the event? And with what food and drinks?

Good ole Spike TV. Probably won't be eating anything, as I would have just eaten breakfast.

 

[shinnn]

I hope MS don't focus primarily on graphics. Keep the same philosophy as on x360.. Gameplay >>> Graphics

I want something new besides the graphics.

 

[Man]

Killzone 3 is still the best looking console fps.
Unless the Xbox 3 is significantly stronger (than PS4) then I doubt it will have a shooter revealed in 2013 to be better looking than KZ4.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

I don't really see the logic in that. CoD on consoles so far compared to something like Killzone 3 is laughable. Regardless of it being smooth.

Put Killzone and CoD side-by-side and ask people to pick which looks best.

Bet they pick the 60fps game even if they don't understand what the term means.

 

[dragonelite]

What's the chances we'll see anything that looks better then Killzone 4.

Depends if you mean in looks and artstyle highly probably.
Technically Crytek and epic could if the specs stead the same.
If the 2.3 Tflops is true then im pretty sure there will be something better.

 

[Raide]

Killzone 3 is still the best looking console fps.
Unless the Xbox 3 is significantly stronger (than PS4) then I doubt it will have a shooter revealed in 2013 to be better looking than KZ4.

BF4.
Perfect Dark Zero 2.

 

[RiverBed]

FORTY. FIVE. HOURS.

I sure hope not, thats just an awful idea

I find that idea really really cool and ingenious.

 

[Man]

BF4.
Perfect Dark Zero 2.

We have yet to see BF4 running on next-gen consoles.

 

[onQ123]

What's the chances we'll see anything that looks better then Killzone 4.

I think there is a big chance that we might see games that look better than KillZone 4 just on a smaller scale.


to me the most impressive thing about the KillZone demo was the scale of it all with that level of graphics.

 

[statham]

I hope MS don't focus primarily on graphics. Keep the same philosophy as on x360.. Gameplay >>> Graphics

I want something new besides the graphics.

Gameplay should always be over graphics.

 

[RiverBed]

Killzone 3 is still the best looking console fps.
Unless the Xbox 3 is significantly stronger (than PS4) then I doubt it will have a shooter revealed in 2013 to be better looking than KZ4.

Maybe Xbox 3 games had longer dev. time than PS4's. Maybe X3 is technically more powerful than PS4. Maybe MS will drop the ball big time. All bets are off till we get concrete insight.

 

[StuBurns]

Put Killzone and CoD side-by-side and ask people to pick which looks best.

Bet they pick the 60fps game even if they don't understand what the term means.

And I bet they don't. I guess there's no where else for that to go.

 

[Raide]

We have yet to see BF4 running on next-gen consoles.

Most software gets shown on PC dev kits. We did not see KZ on PS4 either.

Its neither here nor there really until we actually get our own hands on the console and software.

 

[derFeef]

I hope MS don't focus primarily on graphics. Keep the same philosophy as on x360.. Gameplay >>> Graphics

I want something new besides the graphics.

I hope so too.

 

[Elginer]

Very excited for this reveal. Making it an event. Me and some of my buds will be using Google Hangout for instant ooh and ahhhs. Did get an interesting email from EA PR just now about a media event on the 21st. Interesting to say the least.

 

[Klocker]

Forcing people to pay to correct mistakes in their service like auto-updates and trophy sync doesn't sound like they've learnt many lessons to me.

App situation won't be the same. MS have been building their catalogue of apps up over the last two years and have probably more than 50 apps right now. By comparison the apps on PS3 can be counted on one hand. They've got a lot of work to do to catch up with the XBL App ecosystem.

yea and if win 8 cross plat is to be believed, expect 100s of apps available day 1

 

[Colonel Nasty]

Killzone would be interesting if the Xbox was somehow more powerful. It's a series that relies on visuals and if it lost that I wonder how it would hold up.

 

[pharmboy044]

The most impressive thing I saw at the PS4 reveal was Deep Down.

 

[RayMaker]

I don't really see the logic in that. CoD on consoles so far compared to something like Killzone 3 is laughable. Regardless of it being smooth.

cod on 360 has less jaggies then killzone 3.

when i got the demo of KZ3 on ps3 the other i was surprised how bad it looked , i think blops 2 looks better.

KS3 may have better lighting and effects, but blops 2 looks a lot cleaner to me

 

[StuBurns]

Most software gets shown on PC dev kits. We did not see KZ on PS4 either.

Its neither here nor there really until we actually get our own hands on the console and software.

Yes, we did. Well, a PS4 dev kit, but not a PC. And KZ will look much better, they've had longer at it, and it was built based on an earlier dev kit with less RAM.

 

[Vico]

The most impressive thing I saw at the PS4 reveal was Deep Down.

Yep.
Too bad it didn't feel like a real game.

 

[Man]

The most impressive thing I saw at the PS4 reveal was Deep Down.

And I'm betting that demo was BS. Probably running on high-end PC with flame effects specifically geared for the given camera angles etc.

 

[Gestault]

 

[Spongebob]

cod on 360 has less jaggies then killzone 3.

when i got the demo of KZ3 on ps3 the other i was surprised how bad it looked , i think blops 2 looks better.

KS3 may have better lighting and effects, but blops 2 looks a lot cleaner to me

BLOPS 2 is being rendered at a measly 880x720 on Xbox 360 with 2x MSAA.

 

[SniperHunter]

COD: Ghosts is a cross-gen game with a next-gen up-port. It won't even come near KZ:SF.

I also have my doubts about this new engine of theirs.


Crysis 3 on consoles is pretty ugly.

I think the next gen CoD is being developed only by Infinity Ward, two other Activision studios are working on the console CoD

 

[Feindflug]

I don't really see the logic in that. CoD on consoles so far compared to something like Killzone 3 is laughable. Regardless of it being smooth.

What's so difficult to understand when CoD games run at double the frame-rate? going 60fps automatically means compromises.

 

[Endo Punk]

Don't think KZ is a good enough series for MS to even acknowledge and its visual superiority is overblown. Halo 4 looks better and the character models are on a whole other level in comparison to KZ3.

 

[Impeccable]

Shooter graphics wars(lol!) is now the theme.

 

[derFeef]

Mhhhh.

 

[Spongebob]

I think the next gen CoD is being developed only by Infinity Ward, two other Activision studios are working on the console CoD

The game will still be held back by current-gen tech. On top of that it's a multiplatform game so it won't be fully optimized for any one platform like an exclusive would be.

 

[pharmboy044]

Yep.
Too bad it didn't feel like a real game.

And I'm betting that demo was BS. Probably running on high-end PC with flame effects specifically geared for the given camera angles etc.

Yep, it most likely was smoke and mirrors but boy oh boy if Capcom released something like that, I'd wet my pants.

 

[RoboPlato]

Shooter graphics wars(lol!) is now the theme.

We need gifs to really get into it.

 

[Raide]

Yes, we did. Well, a PS4 dev kit, but not a PC. And KZ will look much better, they've had longer at it, and it was built based on an earlier dev kit with less RAM.

I am sure KS will look awesome but I don't expect MS to loose out. Epic, 343 etc will be pushing the hardware. Personally I think KS looks awesome but I don't really find the gameplay compelling to me but it is certainly a great time to be a gamer with all this new tech appearing.

 

[Man]

Shooter graphics wars(lol!) is now the theme.

It's the ultimate graphics genre!

 

[valkillmore]

Don't think KZ is a good enough series for MS to even acknowledge and its visual superiority is overblown. Halo 4 looks better and the character models are on a whole other level in comparison to KZ3.

Halo 4 really is a fucking gorgeous game. I cannot wait to see what Microsoft reveals tomorrow.

I will be watching it on my Wii U gamepad. Think about that.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

You're an evil, evil person

 

[R3TRO]

The most impressive thing I saw at the PS4 reveal was Deep Down.

Yes Sir; I have a pretty good PC and I said hmm could I run that? No other game made me do that at the reveal.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

I hope this isn't all for nothing.

 

[Kun Aguero]

If the 2.3 Tflops is true then im pretty sure there will be something better.

Haven't been following this thread recently, where's this rumour from? Was 1.23 TF last I heard.

 

[statham]

I wanna play it.

 

[SniperHunter]

The game will still be held back by current-gen tech. On top of that it's a multiplatform game so it won't be fully optimized for any one platform like an exclusive would be.

ya you are right. Same goes for Battlefield 4

 

[StuBurns]

What's so difficult to understand when CoD games run at double the frame-rate? going 60fps automatically means compromises.

I didn't say it was difficult to understand.

 

[Maximilian E.]

I'll bite. You said "near impossible", so you must've succeeded. Whatcha got?

Well, info that I got was like this:
"amount of RAM will be like in a PC, maybe more"
"Heavily customised GPU/CPU"..

Now, these things can sound trivial now.
But when hearing this back at around march/April 2012.. Yeah, then it was something.

 

[mrklaw]

Haven't been following this thread recently, where's this rumour from? Was 1.23 TF last I heard.

god knows. there was a crazy 4.9 one earlier, then a 20CU one but that wouldn't be enough to bump it up to 2.3tf I don't think

 

[Gestault]