Raise the flame shield: Your "controversial" gaming opinion.
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diggmcbadass
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If a game is made in japan or south korea there is a 90% chance I will not play it. If it features anime-style characters there is a 100% chance.
Gamers are the very definition consumerists. They are a problem.
That lack of knowledge.
That lack of knowledge.
I can't stand a minute of ANY Fifa game (except for the PC versions of Fifa 94 and The road to World Cup France 1998). I hate the weightless feeling of everything and the floaty ball, and you can't feel any emotion or reward when scoring goals, also the sliding tackles are exaggerated and stupid.
I know PES isn't perfect and lost its way this gen, but I'd much rather play PES 2008 (ouch) than any FIFA game any day.
I know PES isn't perfect and lost its way this gen, but I'd much rather play PES 2008 (ouch) than any FIFA game any day.
This is especially laughable after today's announcement.
Could you elaborate on this?
Arkos
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Aw lol I do sometimes.
So what exactly DO you like?
Arc Christelle
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Why yes I can.
The Playstation introduced things in the industry such as cinematic FMVs and it created the JRPG enthusiasts crowd, that at the time was mostly teenagers into things like anime who felt that they had some kind of superior/maturing experience. Then when GTA III happened, suddenly Nintendo's the kiddy console! It created the stigma that bright and colorful games, or quirky titles were childish, and the so-called mature/hardcore/traditional/serious/enthusiast demographic which ironically some even move on to purchase an Xbox.
Not saying that Playstation fans are Xbox fans (which honestly are a mix between Nintendo/PS/Sega/New People) . But I am saying that they created the smug idea that shit that had an M on it was cool, that games needed to be serious and edgy, while offering cinematics and etc.
If you need any other proof, consider which fanbase has the biggest melt down when Nintendo locks down exclusives from their consoles, or even when Final Fantasy XIII was no longer a Playstation Exclusive. There are actually fans who have the nerve to tell me that Nintendo and Microsoft were stealing from Sony. Even fans who are so damn crazy they think the DS4 Touchpad is superior to having a touch screen.... c'mon son.
Other than that. I just dislike Playstation Home Consoles and their fanbase. They used to be just as smug as PC Gamers.
Like hell. I'm not getting hype for a Guilty Gear made with Unreal Engine. I hope ArcSystemWorks will pull it off, but so far, I really haven't played a game with impressive mechanics using that shit unless it came from Epic Games themselves.
That's why everytime I look at the Guilty thread and see all the hype I'm like, "Y'all did notice it said developed with Unreal Engine right?"
To back my point, Asura's Wrath was pretty too.
Can you get any more specific when it comes to how Unreal Engine directly leads to poor mechanics? It sounds downright spiritual to me.
Like, some examples of UE games and specifically how they would be better on other engines.
I think what Sony did was introduce variety and means for more developers/publishers to get a lot of games out there, even quirky and cartoony ones at that too, nintendo did everything to be labeled the kiddie console with its censorship policies (remember the MK fiasco?), and other cuestionable practices such as cart licensing and other ridiculous stuff like the Nintendo seal of approval... Sega and the 3do and CDIs of the time where responsible for the whole fmv and "mature fad, IMO. Still, you present some valid points I just think you are directing the blame to the wrong camp.
Arc Christelle
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As I mentioned earlier, I have a strong distaste towards that camp. That ain't changing no time soon.
1. Despite the Mortal Kombat fiasco, Nintendo published plenty of "Mature" titles even a fighting game that was way superior than that gory nonsense and featured the same content. Killer Instinct, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Eternal Darkness, the list goes on. But the kiddy stigma didn't happen on during SNES or N64, it happend during Gamecube, and even that had BMX XXX. Think about it.
2. Ain't nothin wrong with that seal. It saved me from regret! lol
3. Sega and Nintendo fought over cool in the early 90's but the FMV/mature fad happened during the first decade of 2000, when Sony and Nintendo were competing, and despite Sega Saturn having a lot of games that was later ported to the PS1's library, let's be honest. No one gave a fuck until it was on Playstation. I also forgot to mention the CD,DVD,Blu-Ray Dickriding, and bashing the Wii and Kinect, then turning around to praise the Move while it was damn near a Xerox copy.
Also, while I admit, that the PS1 was the best era for Playstation and even did bring in a lot of colorful and interesting IPs (because they did, I won't knock the good they did, Dark Cloud does exist lol.) A lot of them are gone unnoticed.
Right now the industry has reached a point of homogenization and the two HD twins really did whatever they had to stay competitive and keep the masses. Microsoft was actually snatching up a couple JRPG exclusives was something to consider, and eventually they both shedded whatever they felt was necessary to keep the "core" audience. They're both guilty of creating an environment where no middle ground can survive in development.
Other than that, I really don't see what Sony has to offer gaming other than new hardware mediums. They don't really push gameplay, they had to copy Nintendo and Microsoft just to have anything, (Motion controls/Online infrastructure) I mean they introduced Blu-Ray, but it ain't like devs do shit with it. And if that's not enough they published the two most abysmal games I ever played in my life.... Little Big Planet and Modnation Racers.
To me, those two games represent Sony as a hole. Something that tries to be unique, but has no quality. Modnation and LBP are great for creativity, but gameplay wise, those mechanics are atrocious. LBP's platforming has no substance or character and is dull beyond customization and level design, while MNR's racing aspect feels like a fucking Black Cat Skyrocket attached to a damn matchbox, with a hit or miss combat system with very limited items. Atleast when Diddy Kong racing did item level ups it was fun. (Rant done)
But still, if I had to get a secondary console for 3rd Parties... it would definitely be an Xbox or I'll just use a PC.
I know over the years Sony has built a decent fanbase, and that's one of the things, I respect them for, even if I don't feel like they have shit to offer but third parties, atleast they know how to work that customer loyalty. So.... I understand.
EDIT: Also I really hate the DualShock controllers and don't see why you all cling on to that atrocious D-Pad. Someone once called that shit Stockholm syndrome, and I agree.
But the new DS4 D-Pad actually does look pretty nice and comfy.
But mark my words, the position of the Share and Options buttons will come back to bite you in the ass.
Arc Christelle
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Well I loved the multiplayer in Uncharted 3 if that goes to saying anything, my only problem with playing that game honestly was how controlling characters, and jumping felt meh to me. But it was fun as hell. As for God of War, I like character action games/hack n slash, but GOW never really appealed to me mechanically, but it does offer enough for a decent adventure and visually (I guess)
Ratchet and Clank was kinda hit and miss to me, from the floaty platforming and hit stuns/confirms against bigger enemies kinda felt disconnected when usig melee. But shooting shit was always hella fun.
Never played the Jax and Sly series although I was interested, and I still haven't play PSABR to actually make a valid comment on it but as far as gameplay vids go, I wasn't impressed.
edit: Eventually I might play Legend of Dragoon, because it was the favorite of one of my closest buddies. Other than that, I do enjoy their cellphones (I've always been a Sony Ericsson fan and hope to get an Xperia Play one day.), and I thought the PSP was kinda cool, the Vita was okay, but the people who agreed with back touch pad need their ass whooped.
Well here's a few:
The souls series, MGSeries, RE(1 &4), DMC(the good ones) SMT series, Witcher, Skyrim, Uncharted, Dishonored and a bunch of other games that I cant think of at the moment.
Mario can eat a dick. The character has never appealed to me and I don't know why he appeals to anyone else. I acknowledge that the games are good-excellent, but everything about Mario. . . I just don't like the character, something always irked me and I can never quite put my finger on it or articulate it. But I am highly biased against Mario, always have been.
Master Nairb
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I havent totally 100% enjoyed a video game since my childhood. All I do now is analyze and pick apart every detail of each game I play because ultimately, they rarely impress me anymore.
Walking Dead, Cart Life and other "empathy games" are modern art pieces that have no place in video gaming as I know it. I don't play games to feel sad, I play video games to kick ass and visit amazing worlds.
I do think Papers Please is interesting because of the atmosphere, but I played that thing like a monster and took immense joy in detaining people. So probably not the reaction that the guy was expecting.
EDIT: Saw this on the last page, so I guess I'll post it, although I just take it as fact. Saints Row is MILES beyond GTA, including San Andreas. GTA wishes it could be the video gaming experience that Saints Row The Third was, and even the original was a great game. Hell, the Protect The Pimp mode in multiplayer did the VIP stuff better than Gears ever did.
EDIT 2: Thought of another one. Burnout Paradise is awful. They took out crash mode, they took out the well designed tracks and forced you to wander around the big city to get to events, which completely destroys the perfect pacing of Burnout 3 and Revenge's campaigns.
I do think Papers Please is interesting because of the atmosphere, but I played that thing like a monster and took immense joy in detaining people. So probably not the reaction that the guy was expecting.
EDIT: Saw this on the last page, so I guess I'll post it, although I just take it as fact. Saints Row is MILES beyond GTA, including San Andreas. GTA wishes it could be the video gaming experience that Saints Row The Third was, and even the original was a great game. Hell, the Protect The Pimp mode in multiplayer did the VIP stuff better than Gears ever did.
EDIT 2: Thought of another one. Burnout Paradise is awful. They took out crash mode, they took out the well designed tracks and forced you to wander around the big city to get to events, which completely destroys the perfect pacing of Burnout 3 and Revenge's campaigns.
Arkos
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Whoa
Lol but srsly, that's okay if you don't like them and they don't have any place in your gaming, just don't say they don't have a place in gaming period. Cause I kinda like 'em and wouldn't wanna see them go. We play games for different reasons, etc.
Edit: I know that's not what you said, just making sure
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
hahahahahaha, play Galaxy 2 and TTYD and then come back saying you're sorry.
I just got this on Steam for $5. Want $10 back
Arc Christelle
Member
Honestly the first games come to my mind are the ones I played.
- Sonic 06 - enough said
- Shadows of the Damned -While I actually enjoyed this game, I kinda feel like it could've been so much better, besides I would've liked an open world design because it's awesomely batshit insane, but the rest for me the lies in the character movement and some of the shooting. When facing enemies.
- Asura's Wrath - terrible combat on rails gameplay, QTE fest
- Dungeon Defenders - I love this fucking game, but the combat is ass. Let's be honest.
I believe it's possible to have some worthwhile games on UE3 but most of the results I've seen from other devs, it usually looks like they were limited by it, instead of empowered.
Also. what engine did they use to develop Space Marine? That shit was fucking awesome. It surprised me at every aspect, and proved my prejudices wrong at every turn and exceeded my expectations.
Whoa
Lol but srsly, that's okay if you don't like them and they don't have any place in your gaming, just don't say they don't have a place in gaming period. Cause I kinda like 'em and wouldn't wanna see them go. We play games for different reasons, etc.
Edit: I know that's not what you said, just making sure
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I tried to phrase it to be video games as I know it, as in my personal gaming habits. I'm cool with anyone playing whatever they want, I was just really bummed that Walking Dead got all those GOTY nods when it is basically impenetrable to me as an enjoyable experience. Also, I want Telltale to make good comedy adventures again, and I don't think that's going to happen now outside of Poker Night level stuff.
I just got this on Steam for $5. Want $10 back
Man, The Steam version is the worst one! It's a shoddy console port, and there is no way to get any of the DLC for it. At least the Xbox version had the novelty of riding in a hovering DeLorean.
Arc Christelle
Member
I really, really didn't enjoy the core game, thoughI hadn't bought an EA game since 2006... I do it now in 2013 and just like 7 years ago it's not a good experience.
Also, it reminds me of something else: I despise licensed soundtracks. Having a good OST can sell games to me.
EA ain't shit. They can take that garbage and leave. Don't pollute the Wii U's ecosystem with that nonsense. Nobody will miss them.
Unless it's Battlefield or whatever Bioware game that comes out (if they are still popular), EA can go eat a dick.
FMV was on Sega CD long before PS1.
JRPGs were hugely popular on SNES. FF3, Secret of Evermore, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, etc (US released titles alone.)
I let a lot of this slide, even agreed with some of it.
But DoA 5 and MK 9 being good games?
MichaelCorleone
Banned
Nier is Squaresofts best work ever.
De/Da Souls are better than any Zelda game. As is 3d Dot Heros
NRS Have surpased Capcom in regards to pushing the genre forward.
Max Payne 3 is the best shooter ever made!
Nintendo is nowhere near Sony in terms of game design, being unique, & sheer variety.
def
DOA 5 stands toe to toe with VF 5 and is better than the also great SC V.
Mortal Kombat & Injustice >>>>>> SFIV Marvel vs Capcom 3 & I love SFIV and marvel.
Marvel vs Capcom 3 is great but a pure shit as a competitive game. SF X TEKKEN is better.
Tower defense games are complete shit exceptions PvZ and South Park.
Nintendo other than a few small cases have completely lost their magic & everything that used to make them the greatest. I miss them....
At their arcade prime SEGA was truly the best & far ahead of every game company.
De/Da Souls are better than any Zelda game. As is 3d Dot Heros
NRS Have surpased Capcom in regards to pushing the genre forward.
Max Payne 3 is the best shooter ever made!
Nintendo is nowhere near Sony in terms of game design, being unique, & sheer variety.
def
DOA 5 stands toe to toe with VF 5 and is better than the also great SC V.
Mortal Kombat & Injustice >>>>>> SFIV Marvel vs Capcom 3 & I love SFIV and marvel.
Marvel vs Capcom 3 is great but a pure shit as a competitive game. SF X TEKKEN is better.
Tower defense games are complete shit exceptions PvZ and South Park.
Nintendo other than a few small cases have completely lost their magic & everything that used to make them the greatest. I miss them....
At their arcade prime SEGA was truly the best & far ahead of every game company.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Only ones that immediately come to mind:
- I don't get what's special about Final Fantasy at all despite loving quite a few other Square products
- Halo games while still fun in a party-sense aren't particularly special for FPS's and their legacy is very much due to Microsoft's brute marketing in the early 2000's
- Gamecube was a pretty shit system library-wise outside of a handful of games and I got far more enjoyment out of the Wii despite the bigger droughts and 3rd party situation
- While one of my favorite games Yoshi's Island baby-mechanic is awful and the only thing that annoys me whenever I replay it and part of many reasons why YIDS was crap when it introduced even MORE babies
- Nuts & Bolts is easily one of the best games Rare made during their 20 years or so of work in almost every single department
- While liking the film the overall Scott Pilgrim franchise is pretty bland and feels very much in line with all the JUST US GAMERS culture stuff that grates certain people
- Videogames and discussing them on the internet may not be the best use of my limited time on Earth but I'll do it anyway for the hell of it
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Anyone that doesn't like JRPG's hasn't played the right ones
and by that I mean they have only played FF
and by that I mean they have only played FF
more like 99%
Arc Christelle
Member
The problem with that statement is that despite the JRPG presence on SNES, it fully hit its stride on the PS1. And for real? Earthbound?..... Let's be real. Earthbound was a great game, but no one knew who the fuck Ness was until Smash Bros. happened. If Earthbound did well enough during the SNES era, we would've had Mother 3 and possibly a Mother 4.
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What's your favorite Sega CD game? Honestly.
There's a difference between hitting it's stride on PS1 for everyone and hitting its stride for you on PS1. Since I'm older, I remember more JRPGs on SNES.
Earthbound continues to be exceptionally popular hence why its even being re-released here in the first place. It didn't sell well back then because it was only bundled with the exceptionally expensive strategy guide with the smelly stickers.
Regardless of how good or bad Sega CD games were, you stated that Sony introduced FMV. I simply corrected your error.
I'm fed up with the constant bitching about FPS. You don't like it ? Play something else and stop your bloody moaning. There's so much variety in games today everytime I see someone comment 'ooooh great, ANOTHER FPS' my eyes roll so fucking hard. You would think there's a shooter released every week when this isn't the case, it's just because games like COD and Halo are so high profile. Also, COD is far too easy a target as well, it gives people many many hours of enjoyment so leave them be. Blame the companies who copy it poorly. FPS are here to stay, people enjoy them. Deal with it.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
I think every Zelda game since Wind Waker has been a bit boring, and I completely blame Eiji Aonuma for that. Eiji Aonuma is, in my opinion, overrated and underqualified to be Zelda's showrunner. His job belongs to Yoshiaki Koizumi.
I don't like Super Mario Galaxy 2 nearly as much as Super Mario Galaxy and think it, along with the past few New Super Mario Bros. games, were giant missteps for Nintendo.
Super Mario Land 3D is the best Mario platformer since Super Mario Galaxy and, outside of a return to hand-drawn 2D platformers, is the most sensible direction for the series to take.
My opinions of Shigeru Miyamoto are Rawkhawkian: he is an inestimably valuable, legendary creative force for Nintendo that unfortunately to me no longer seems to always know what's best for the Mario series. Zelda needs more of his influence.
I like Metroid II a bit more than Super Metroid.
I really enjoyed Metroid: Other M's story, acting, and gameplay. Best Metroid game since Prime and Fusion.
I think Retro Studios is overrated, the Prime sequels are overrated, Donkey Kong Country Returns is way overrated, and they have yet to prove they can make anything substantial without Nintendo looking over their shoulder.
Guitar Hero III is better than Guitar Hero II and the first Rock Band.
Sonic Heroes is a great game.
And that's it. I have the most controversial, unshared opinions on GAF.
Come at me, bros.
I don't like Super Mario Galaxy 2 nearly as much as Super Mario Galaxy and think it, along with the past few New Super Mario Bros. games, were giant missteps for Nintendo.
Super Mario Land 3D is the best Mario platformer since Super Mario Galaxy and, outside of a return to hand-drawn 2D platformers, is the most sensible direction for the series to take.
My opinions of Shigeru Miyamoto are Rawkhawkian: he is an inestimably valuable, legendary creative force for Nintendo that unfortunately to me no longer seems to always know what's best for the Mario series. Zelda needs more of his influence.
I like Metroid II a bit more than Super Metroid.
I really enjoyed Metroid: Other M's story, acting, and gameplay. Best Metroid game since Prime and Fusion.
I think Retro Studios is overrated, the Prime sequels are overrated, Donkey Kong Country Returns is way overrated, and they have yet to prove they can make anything substantial without Nintendo looking over their shoulder.
Guitar Hero III is better than Guitar Hero II and the first Rock Band.
Sonic Heroes is a great game.
And that's it. I have the most controversial, unshared opinions on GAF.
Come at me, bros.
How did I forget to put that in my post. Give me a video game on PC, I'll play it on controller. I'd even argue that stuff like Civ 5 could be workable and made enjoyable on a gamepad.
Also, playing an FPS with a controller doesn't make you shit if that's how you've played FPSs all your life. I've got close to 900 hours on TF2, all of it with a controller (although sometimes, if I'm feeling frisky, I'll pull out a giant trackball mouse), and I'm just as good as any KB/M player in any random server.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
hahaha, I hope it keeps getting more attention like it did for the last months, it's truly a great game.
Arc Christelle
Member
Well if I literally said "introduced" which I'll have to check then my bad, but I meant made it popular.
Second of all, I've been gaming my whole life and I'm 22. Started with an NES and a Genesis when I was 3.
Also, you just avoided the point that I made about Earthbound. It took Smash Bros. for anyone to care about that game. That's what happens when crossover games come out. I never was interested in Strider,Captain Commando, and Jin Saotome at first but when I played MVC as a kid, and saw those characters, it inspired me to do research and play Strider/Captain Commando/ Cyberbots. The same thing happened for most people who weren't a Metroid fan to realize Samus was a Woman.
Also sidenote (Canon Dancer > Strider 1+2)
Smash Bros. brought interest to Earthbound. Simple as that.
And yes, the quality of the Sega CD matters because that is really what helps define if that what created the interest in FMV from consumers. The only thing I can think of that was decent on Sega CD was Sonic CD which was still a terrible game with great music, but it had an awesome FMV opening, that probably was the thing that tricked most of it's fans into thinking that garbage was actually a decent game. Along with Metal Sonic.
Other than that. The PS1 was the freaking FMV Titan. FMVs seriously might as well not existed until Saturn/PS1.
And that's why I wanted my vote, as a player, to count more than the votes of the fanart community.
Annie, Aeon, and Minette are still lame.
If you're 22, that puts you at prime PS1 era. I'm 30, SNES was my prime.
Earthbound is one of the biggest cult games on SNES, if ever. And yes, everyone did care about that game back then as they do now. Starmen.net is almost 20 years old. Yes, you were 2 when people cared about Earthbound first. Its still one of the most cherished games of people my age.
And yes, you did say introduced. You can't really say popularized because at the time PS1 was the only disc format capable of that kind of FMV. Unless you consider the cutscenes in many N64 games. It's really an argument in semantics then.
Arc Christelle
Member
Sonic 3D Blast is the only classic Sonic game that deserves an HD Re-release.
Sonic 2006 should be remade and re-released with better gameplay, and should keep the Sonic x Elise plot.
Fatal Fury Wild Ambition for PS1 is one of the most criminally overlooked 3D Fighters ever in history and easily shits on Maximum Impact.
Lightning is actually a pretty cool female protagonist.
Also TVC > MVC3
Castlevania Judgement was a great Arena Fighting game and needs a sequel.
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Pyramid head
Banned
3D platform games suck.
Whatever it is that makes the best 2D platform games fun to play, just doesn't carry over to their 3D cousins. At all.
Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Banjo Kazooie, Ratchet & Clank, Epic Mickey, Spyro, any number of movie tie-in games all feel totally interchangeable to me.
Every one I've played has felt like being tasked with a seemingly endless series of tedious chores across environments which border on painful to navigate. I just can't find the fun in them.
Whatever it is that makes the best 2D platform games fun to play, just doesn't carry over to their 3D cousins. At all.
Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Banjo Kazooie, Ratchet & Clank, Epic Mickey, Spyro, any number of movie tie-in games all feel totally interchangeable to me.
Every one I've played has felt like being tasked with a seemingly endless series of tedious chores across environments which border on painful to navigate. I just can't find the fun in them.