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[madmackem]

They dropped the ball all over this, more confusing than the wii u unveil at this point.

 

[keuja]

An exabyte of RAM should be enough for anyone.

Rams are outdated. Nowadays it's all about the bits.

 

[BRocknRolla]

Between this and the performance will be, "the same if not better," comment about using ddr3 ram, MS must really think its consumers aren't well informed. (And are playing heavily into it)

I hope they're wrong, but maybe they know exactly what they're doing with this vague and misinforming campaign.

 

[Captainsweatpants]

Microsoft must really hate videogames.

 

[udllpn]

Why would they even claim 200GB/s. Thats way down on what they claimed last generation (this is from their PR release in E3 2005):

This is golden.

 

[E-Cat]

MS really shot themselves in the foot. Actually, it's more like... they sawed off both feet and began sucking on the bloody stumps.

 

[Jburton]

were the trailers/teasers shown yesterday claimed as ingame? I don't think so

Somewhere.

 

[Alej]

DO + THE = MATH

MATH - DO = THE
MATH - THE = DO
!!!

 

[Ravage]

Why would they even claim 200GB/s. Thats way down on what they claimed last generation (this is from their PR release in E3 2005):

lol i never knew about this

 

[NinjaFridge]

Cooking the numbers like that could get even the Wii u over 200

Yeah but the X1 has a 500GB HDD. That's over 700GB/s!!!

 

[Audioboxer]

Why would they even claim 200GB/s. Thats way down on what they claimed last generation (this is from their PR release in E3 2005):

lol WTF?

edit: True as well - http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/

 

[thefro]

So X1 has blast processing?

 

[NinjaFridge]

Why would they even claim 200GB/s. Thats way down on what they claimed last generation (this is from their PR release in E3 2005):

Edit:Read that wrong.

 

[Audioboxer]

Edit:Read that wrong.

From MN

One of the great things about working at Xbox is that we have some of the smartest people in the world working on the Xbox 360. When Sony came announced the PS3, along with the product specs some of our team started looking at some of the numbers to see what they mean. Floating Point, shaders, bandwidth….what does it all mean. Clearly there are some numbers and stats that mean more to gaming then others, so the team cranked out some facts for everyone to absorb. Our world class technology team looked at the numbers and claims and decided to do what everyone else does: compare them to the PS3. The difference it that these guys are uniquely qualified to do so, and can cut through the smoke and mirrors to see what the real deal is. To that end, I present this summary, which I have broken up into four parts to make it more RSS Reader friendly.

Warning: Some of this stuff may make your head hurt, but these are the facts as they stand right now. Enjoy the read:

SUMMARY
Now that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 specifications have been announced, it is possible to do a real world performance comparison of the two systems.

There are three critical performance aspects of a console:
? Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.
o The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.
? Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance
o The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.
? Memory System Bandwidth
o The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3′s by five times.

Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than one-fifth of Xbox 360′s (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth.

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/

 

[MikeE21286]

 

[Dennis]

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/

I am at a loss for words.

 

[kaching]

were the trailers/teasers shown yesterday claimed as ingame? I don't think so

That was same defense when Sony did it too. Didn't work then, why should it work now?

 

[DBT85]

My penis is 6" long and 4" around. I have a 10" penis.

 

[Paradicia]

My penis is 6" long and 4" around. I have a 10" penis.

 

[Meccanical]

 

[Dragon]

Oh man....MS what the hell is wrong with you?

 

[massoluk]

Heh, they actually use Jaguar math on shit no average Joe care about.

 

[scitek]

The more I see, the more I realize the 360 was really quite a capable machine for 2005.

 

[cyberheater]

How much bandwidth do you actually need for a 1080p game at 30fps given that a lot of the textures and geometry are going to be exactly the same from frame to frame?

 

[BadWolf]

Spin after spin after spin.

This thing is such a mess.

 

[djplaeskool]

MS
Wat r u doin
MS
Stahp

 

[Dennis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

 

[darkwing]

From MN






http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/

:O amazing

 

[Dead Prince]

Don't know who is more confusing. Microsoft or Nintendo.

 

[Moral Panic]

My calculations of a 32MB on eSRAM@102GB/S and 21.32MB on DDR3@68GB/s gives me a speed of 182.5GB/s.

 

[Shikoro]

My penis is 6" long and 4" around. I have a 10" penis.

lol

My calculations of a 32MB on eSRAM@102GB/S and 21.32MB on DDR3@68GB/s gives me a speed of 182.5GB/s.

What? Not sure if this is a joke...

 

[nbthedude]

You know, I used to think Major Nelson was an ok guy.

That is some sleezy shilling right there to the point of outright deception.

 

[gofreak]

How much bandwidth do you actually need for a 1080p game at 30fps given that a lot of the textures and geometry are going to be exactly the same from frame to frame?

There's no one calculation/number. Every game will be different.

 

[DBT85]

My calculations of a 32MB on eSRAM@102GB/S and 21.32MB on DDR3@68GB/s gives me a speed of 182.5GB/s.

Buy a new calculator.

 

[spookyfish]

Don't worry, Microsoft.

That point will go over the head of 90% of gamers and 99% of games journalists.

Yep.

 

[neoexidous]

Don't worry, Microsoft.

That point will go over the head of 90% of gamers and 99% of games journalists.

Agreed, also its irrelevant to the end result, the games will look fine. They should have taken the Apple approach and not mentioned any specs.

 

[Durante]

What's next? Xbox ONE has more RAM?

That would at least be technically true.

There is absolutely no remotely accurate way to spin it as having more BW.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

From MN






http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/

My penis is 6" long and 4" around. I have a 10" penis.

Holy shit im dying here!

 

[1-D_FTW]

Wow that bullshit marketing speak about 200GB/s really sticks out compared to the rest of the conferences.

:lol

 

[cyberheater]

There's no one calculation/number. Every game will be different.

I still think the bandwidth provided by Xbox One should be more then enough.

Not that it matters a great deal to me at the moment. Unless MS has an abolutely stunning E3 and demonstrates some incredible graphics and sorts out this used game bull then I'm not buying a Xbox One. It's going to be PS4 for next gen.

 

[ozfunghi]

I heard XBone has 16 GB of RAM.

Spoiler

4x4=16, right?

 

[Moral Panic]

Buy a new calculator.

A 53 MB file split between eSRAM and main memory can be accessed @182GB/s. That's what the eSRAM is here for.

32MB@102GB/s = 0.000292180s
21.329MB@68GB/s = 0.000292120s

The buses are separate so they work simultaneously. So the entire 53MB file is done in 0.000292180s (the largest of the two times) and that gives you an rate @ 182.5GB/s.

My calculator seems fine from my standpoint.

 

[AwRy108]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...xbox-ones-internals-while-disclosing-nothing/



I have two cars, one goes 80mph and the other goes 90mph... I have 170mph cars!

This is how Atari marketed the 64-bit Jaguar, which was actually two 32-bit chips. How'd that work out for them?

 

[M°°nblade]

The buses are separate so they work simultaneously. So the entire 53MB file is done in 0.000292180s (the largest of the two times) and that gives you an rate @ 182.5GB/s.

My calculator seems fine from my standpoint.

Now try a 200 MB file

 

[Midnight Phoenix]

SSE2 ahaha. Really? Only SSE2? Hello Pentium4 era.

 

[DBT85]

A 53 MB file split between eSRAM and main memory can be accessed @182GB/s. That's what the eSRAM is here for.

32MB@102GB/s = 0.000292180s
21.329MB@68GB/s = 0.000292120s

The buses are separate so they work simultaneously. So the entire 53MB file is done in 0.000292180s (the largest of the two times) and that gives you an rate @ 182.5GB/s.

My calculator seems fine from my standpoint.

Can I ask why you picked a 53MB file?

 

[Chuck Norris]

It's quite clear MS recognises a substantial hardware difference exists this time. Last time they were eager to put FUD out, some true, some misleading - but they were confident their system would match and exceed PS3 in some cases. And it did end up doing that

The fact there is nothing like that this time says a lot IMO

 

[Arkham]

Can I ask why you picked a 53MB file?

That's the size of the average DRM authentication bit.

 

[KidBeta]

A 53 MB file split between eSRAM and main memory can be accessed @182GB/s. That's what the eSRAM is here for.

32MB@102GB/s = 0.000292180s
21.329MB@68GB/s = 0.000292120s

The buses are separate so they work simultaneously. So the entire 53MB file is done in 0.000292180s (the largest of the two times) and that gives you an rate @ 182.5GB/s.

My calculator seems fine from my standpoint.

I find it interesting that in the past week or so maths have changed such that 102 + 68 = 182 now instead of 170.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

lol WTF?

edit: True as well - http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/

Jesus christ I always thought those purple and grey charts were some shit that fanboys made up. Never knew they came straight from Major Nelson. That's hilarious.