Phil Fish: Most indies already don't want to publish on Xbone

Twitter is filled with indie devs slamming Microsoft at this point, so lets not pretend hes making shit up because he made some other dumb comment.

Never claimed Fish was making shit up, just that nobody should look to him for an unbiased viewpoint on Microsoft after all the Fez drama. It would be like posting a tweet from Denis Dyack about Evilore/NeoGAF.

The Gamasutra article linked in here with thoughts from various indie developers is a much better source to quote than Phil Fish.
 
Isn't Phil fish a bit young and inexperienced to talk this much shit? Wont he just get fucked out of jobs and money by rich powerful people that think he's a cunt?

Not if he remains an indie developer. He could piss off everyone, including Valve, and release his games directly from his site and probably still do okay.
 
Translation: "most developers" = Phil Fish himself

I swear, this man is such an ego-maniacal douche.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/04/sony-indies/

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/...crosoft-is-losing-the-battle-for-indie-develo

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/02/t...ox-development-everyone-should-love-on-steam/

http://www.xblafans.com/jon-blow-and-team-meat-done-with-xbox-64672.html

That's just the big guys with the most successful games on the service. There are tons of other horror stories from smaller, less successful indie developers.
 
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My exact thoughts when I see the name Phil Fish.
 
For the new page:

Gamasutra said:
After the Wii U reveal, I contacted numerous indies to find out who was working on what, and received a large number of responses back. When the PS4 was revealed I did the same again, and received the same level of correspondence.

After the Xbox One reveal, I went ahead and did it all over again -- but the reaction has been rather different this time around. In the same space of time that I waited for responses to my Wii U and PS4 pieces, I've received just a handful of replies, most of which said they weren't working on Xbox One games.

It could be that I've simply contacted the wrong indies. My train of thought was that Microsoft is most likely going to be working with indie devs that it has worked with before, but as of yet I've come up with past Xbox 360 devs telling me they aren't working on Xbox One games.

Joel Kinnunen from Frozenbyte (Trine) told me, "We keep an open channel to Microsoft and there are some thoughts going on, however right now we have nothing to announce for Xbox One."

He later clarified, "Generally, from a console online distribution channel, we're looking for the ability to self-publish without publishers, and to a lesser degree things like free updating and reasonable certification process."

Even more worrying is that a number of indie devs have said that they've tried to get in on the Xbox One action, but as of yet haven't received any additional information past a simple introduction.

Rami Ismail at Dutch studio Vlambeer, for example, said that Microsoft actually got in touch with him about development for the platform, and then never got back to him when he made contact. The Super Crate Box developer hadn't heard of any other European devs who were looking into creating Xbox One games either, and he's a fairly well connected guy.

And Young Horses' Phil Tibitoski (Octodad) had a similar experience, in which someone at Microsoft responded to a request for Xbox One development information, and then was never heard from again. It would appear that getting in contact with Microsoft to actually build games for their new console isn't exactly easy. [UPDATE: moments after this article went live, Microsoft did in fact get in touch with Tibitoski.]

Meanwhile, Gaijin Games' Alex Neuse (The BIT.TRIP series), another indie "in the know", said that him and his studio "haven't seen the kind of effort to reach out to smaller developers the way that Sony and Nintendo have - but of course, that doesn't mean that they don't have a plan for developers like ourselves." Gaijin hasn't talked to Microsoft about Xbox One development.

That's not to say that there aren't any indie developers working on Xbox One games right now. Nathan Vella of Capybara Games (Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery EP) featured in a video during the console's reveal, and elsewhere I've heard murmurings that Minecraft's Mojang are currently in talks with Microsoft (although Markus Persson was unable to confirm with me whether this was the case.)

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/192779/Indies_on_Xbone_Wheres_the_beef.php
 
Never claimed Fish was making shit up, just that nobody should look to him for an unbiased viewpoint on Microsoft after all the Fez drama. It would be like posting a tweet from Denis Dyack about Evilore/NeoGAF.

The Gamasutra article linked in here with thoughts from various indie developers is a much better source to quote than Phil Fish.
How does it matter if he's 'biased' or not? He could love MS, or hate them, it's not going to change the number of his peers who have told him they don't want to work with MS. It's not a subjective statement which can be colored by bias.
 
How does it matter if he's 'biased' or not? He could love MS, or hate them, it's not going to change the number of his peers who have told him they don't want to work with MS. It's not a subjective statement which can be colored by bias.

That's just part of what he said, there's another quote from him in the OP saying "Microsoft doesn't care about indie developer".
 
Similarly...

Terry Cavanagh (Super Hexagon, VVVVVV):
"But honestly, after their reveal yesterday, does anyone really WANT to make games for it?"
https://twitter.com/terrycavanagh/status/337235548542480384

Also Brian Provinciano (Retro City Rampage) has been trashing the Xbox platform and Microsoft's relationship with indies for a few months now.

I really think Microsoft's actions over the last few years has poisoned indies in general toward them.
 
After the Fez XBLA clusterfuck I'm not sure how anyone can trust Phil Fish to be impartial on this subject.

It may very well be true but he obviously has a bone to pick with Microsoft, he's been pretty vocal long before the Xbox One was announced.

I wouldn't be shocked if the entire impetus behind keeping indies out this time is "Oh god, we're NOT dealing with Phil Fish again. Get a policy in here quick to make sure he stays out".
 
The day m$ steps out the console business...... I will be a happy MAN. !!!

Hmm. I'm not buying Xbox One and I expect sales contraction but I doubt they'll ever leave the business.

They'll probably be considered a pioneer. Everything they are doing this gen with the console hardware and OS is exactly where we knew the whole industry was headed, just a generation or two faster than we expected.
 
half the thread is thinly veiled thread whining....if you don't wanna talk about the topic, maybe dont click on the thread and it will disappear quicker?

On topic: one of the giantbomb guys said that the he was surprised at the vitriol (and that is the word he used) being directed towards MS at the GDC off the record. Fish is one of the few indie developers rich enough and reckless enough to say it in public.
 
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