MS: Xbox One 40x More Powerful Than 360 with the Cloud, Only 10x Without the Cloud

All sounds a bit silly to me for anything other than MP. So if having to connect once every 24 hours wasn't bad enough I would have to rely on my Internet connection to make my game run better?

What happens if there's some server side calculations going on for say Halo 5 in some big SP battle and then something happens, disconnection, timeout, Internet provider has problems, something happens server side? Does the game just stop doing stuff that it apparently needed to be awesome, does it crash?

Slayer-33 said:
Real time virtual weather.

Give me
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Would be waste of this supposed server farm for something that you can get for free from a number of existing real time weather sites, lol.
 
so if they keep on increasing the power of the cloud (bigger servers) X1 will keep on getting more powerful ... oooooo nice !!! so MS would never need a new Xbox right? them clouds !!! secret sauce = cloud ... now we know

what if its raining or sunny? :(
 
We have to ask some more pertinent question:

  • Will the back of the box state:" Your offline experience may vary upon your ISP's Ping & Speed"
  • How will reviewers review games AI and GFX? Will they do it cloud assisted so that it looks like XBox ∞ and AI possess life like intelligence or will they just do it locally as if the game is actually on Xbone?
  • How Digital Foundry do comparisons? Will they add another segment called "With cloud support"?
 
It's all well and good this cloud business but history has shown that on day 1 on a big game launch servers don't work for shit. I'm not a CoD fan but imagine CoD is optimsied and utilises the 'power of the cloud', they well several million units on day 1, can Microsofts server really cope with several million activations all at once whilst continuously crunching data for the millions of active users? EA couldn't do it for Sim City, Blizzard couldn't do it for Diablo 3.
 
Impeccable said:
This is the always online spin for sure, fuck you MS even if you can hologram a pornstar into my living room to blow me, I'm out out OUT now.
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Let's not get too hasty, that would be a real gamechanger.
 
Cloud or no cloud the fact that the system itself is up to 10x more powerful than the 360 is pretty impressive. Looking at what thye have been able to do on the 360 with games like Gears of War 3, Halo 4, Forza 4 and a ton of other games, I cannot wait until developers are able to harness the power of the system. And for me since I am a multi-plat owner (now and in the future) this holds true for the PS4.

Even with all this power in both consoles, I am still leary if we will get 1080p/60fps with really good Image Quality.
 
Microsoft took every single one of Sony's failed PS3 ideas and amplified them to a completely new level. Kutaragi winning battles for Sony even in his retirement.
 
So 75% of the Xbox One's power is dependent on you having high speed reliable internet connection, and even in the best case, has a solid bit of latency? Great design.
 
"You can move the AI to the cloud!" -- Yeah, let's assume they actually code some decent AI they can put in the cloud, what's the point of an improved AI when the entire purpose of an AI is to respond and take action based on what you do immediately, how you perform and how you move through the game-world then have the game send off the calculation, have it calculated, then send it back ... I'm quite sure that will just leave an AI dumb as a post. Most of the examples are pure horseshit for gaming purposes.
 
Amir0x said:
Seriously guys, this shit is just shocking. If ever there was a revelation of how incompetent this industry is at the moment, this is it.

Here is a fucking company who actively has announced things that WILL negatively impact every single consumer on the market... and then, in an attempt to muddy the waters, released literally like five or six different versions of the story to try to pretend it wasn't a problem. Oh hey, WE CAN CONFIRM that no used games is false! Wait, I mean *you* won't pay a fee! See, no fee! Don't look behind the curtain, because we're about to tell you that your friends WILL have to pay! Now hold on, what we mean is you just can't lend games without your friend payin' a fee, you can still resell games! Wait a second, we're just discussing POTENTIAL SCENARIOS. Oh wait, think of it like it's a new game... NO FUCKERS, IT'S NOT A GODDAMN NEW GAME. YOU FUCKING DIRTY NO-GOOD ASSHOLES. Goddamn, Microsoft is the worst company ever. Where were the journalists with a list of all the stories being told about this subject, showing them to the latest bullshit artist representing the Xbox One and demanding some honest straight forward answers?

Ok, so what's next? Oh yeah, hey everyone...if you use CLOUD, the Xbox One will get a billion times stronger! A trillion! A zillion! "But wait," anyone with a shred of fucking intelligence responds, "what happens if the internet goes down? What happens if you don't have as faster of a connection? How would such shit get around the endless cloud service bottlenecks? How will it do any fucking thing you assholes say? Can a fucking game journalist do their job?" Find out at eleven o'clock!

No, you won't be able to rent games! Fuck that shit, what a privilege all you potential thieves out there have had for this long! How dare you have such a right, like trying these gargantuan bloated MODERN AAA pieces of garbage out so you don't waste $60 fucking bucks playing the latest 4 hour hallway corridor generation X-Z nonsense title produced almost entirely by eight thousand board rooms across the planet. But hey, it has multiplayer guys! The same fucking multiplayer you've played in Call of Duty twenty eight thousand times, but it's there! VALUE ADDED!

No, you won't be able to fucking use your games beyond 24 hours if you don't have an internet connection, because we believe your lardy, undeveloped asses are so goddamn lazy that you're willing to actively give up ownership privileges just so you can fucking swap games around a little easier! Of course, that's all bullshit, because this is all an elaborate scheme to fuck piracy up some more, even though every fucked up DRM scheme that has been tried this past generation has reamed honest, hard-working and hard-payin' consumers so far up the ass that they have gaping holes larger than what's at the center of the fucking Milky Way Galaxy.

Now there are obviously exceptions. Some game journalists are raging. But this shit is ridiculous. EVERY major website right now should be eviscerating Microsoft. IGN should be fucking vomiting at these decisions every five second around the clock until the system launches. They should be disemboweling these pathetic PR representatives of these hateful corporations, spitting their sludge all over the faces of everyone who ever purchased games from them, denying them even a second to mislead legions of consumers into thinking the system is anything except what it is: the world's biggest fucking cock being whipped out and slapped across your goddamn face!

Oh, what about this shit? Why is your focus during your GAME CONSOLE reveal fuckin' TV? Why have you chosen your philosophy? WHY should gamers take this shit lying down? WHAT BENEFIT DOES IT HAVE TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!? For the love of Christ, someone ask some hard goddamn questions! You are all informed to the tit, please use your knowledge to slash these assholes throats so that all the bullshit will spill out and we'll stop having to swim through torrents of anti-consumer diarrhea!
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It's corruption pure and simple.. Either money or other incentives/bribes/'PR'/'treating journalists well'
 
metalslimer said:
If the cloud can make it 40x the power, why do they even need a new box? If the cloud could do anything this dramatic how is MS the first company to put anything out like it?
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Indeed. Why not just release a $199 streaming device that also has a Blu-ray player and that TV shit with cloud gaming, since it's 3x as powerful anyway.

Lagspike_exe said:
Microsoft took every single one of Sony's failed PS3 ideas and amplified them to a completely new level. Kutaragi winning battles for Sony even in his retirement.
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Ken Kutaragi and Phil Harrison hatched a plan in 2009 to destroy Xbox from within, they are now at the final stage. :O

They never stopped working for Sony, they just got promoted to the Ninja division.
 
spwolf said:
it has been speculated for a while that one of the move engines is assigned to let XO talk directly to the cloud, bypassing L2 cache. As much as I have heard, they are aiming for 4/32 frame latency, which is awesome.

PS4 has no such move engine, plus inherited latency of GDD5 compared to DD3 will make this impossible, thus giving XO big advantage once Azure cloud computing platform (300,000 servers) has been connected.
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I hadn't even considered the inherent latency disadvantage of the GDDR5 pool! That should sadly make cloud computing all but impossible to leverage for PS4. If you add the dozens of ns of latency induced by the GDDR5 RAM over DDR3 to the network latency, and take note of the fact that this selfsame latency is not even being mitigated by a cloud-optimized move engine the whole idea seems frankly ridiculous.

The way you worked "300,000 servers" in there is masterful. But "XO" is a huge misstep, weren't you at the name briefing?

Penguins&PolarBears said:
At the risk of sounding arrogant...

I am so smart, S-M-R-T!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52843335&postcount=249
-April 5th, 2013

The concept of a "console generation" is over.
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It's not hard for someone who works in Microsoft marketing to predict the Microsoft marketing strategy.
 
Amir0x said:
Now there are obviously exceptions. Some game journalists are raging. But this shit is ridiculous. EVERY major website right now should be eviscerating Microsoft. IGN should be fucking vomiting at these decisions every five second around the clock until the system launches. They should be disemboweling these pathetic PR representatives of these hateful corporations, spitting their sludge all over the faces of everyone who ever purchased games from them, denying them even a second to mislead legions of consumers into thinking the system is anything except what it is: the world's biggest fucking cock being whipped out and slapped across your goddamn face!
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I wish.
 
Lol lol lol really, this will go down in history. The failure of xbox. 3rd gen curse! !!! More cocky then Sony was with the PS3
 
NullPointer said:
Maybe they could use it to give Halo 5 cut-scenes the Spartan Ops CGI levels of quality, but include your customized spartan.

Possible?
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Maybe massive scale battles where we have players and the CPU directing A.I and reacting to how the players perform or what they are currently doing?
 
Amir0x said:
Seriously guys, this shit is just shocking. If ever there was a revelation of how incompetent this industry is at the moment, this is it.

Here is a fucking company who actively has announced things that WILL negatively impact every single consumer on the market... and then, in an attempt to muddy the waters, released literally like five or six different versions of the story to try to pretend it wasn't a problem. Oh hey, WE CAN CONFIRM that no used games is false! Wait, I mean *you* won't pay a fee! See, no fee! Don't look behind the curtain, because we're about to tell you that your friends WILL have to pay! Now hold on, what we mean is you just can't lend games without your friend payin' a fee, you can still resell games! Wait a second, we're just discussing POTENTIAL SCENARIOS. Oh wait, think of it like it's a new game... NO FUCKERS, IT'S NOT A GODDAMN NEW GAME. YOU FUCKING DIRTY NO-GOOD ASSHOLES. Goddamn, Microsoft is the worst company ever. Where were the journalists with a list of all the stories being told about this subject, showing them to the latest bullshit artist representing the Xbox One and demanding some honest straight forward answers?

Ok, so what's next? Oh yeah, hey everyone...if you use CLOUD, the Xbox One will get a billion times stronger! A trillion! A zillion! "But wait," anyone with a shred of fucking intelligence responds, "what happens if the internet goes down? What happens if you don't have as faster of a connection? How would such shit get around the endless cloud service bottlenecks? How will it do any fucking thing you assholes say? Can a fucking game journalist do their job?" Find out at eleven o'clock!

No, you won't be able to rent games! Fuck that shit, what a privilege all you potential thieves out there have had for this long! How dare you have such a right, like trying these gargantuan bloated MODERN AAA pieces of garbage out so you don't waste $60 fucking bucks playing the latest 4 hour hallway corridor generation X-Z nonsense title produced almost entirely by eight thousand board rooms across the planet. But hey, it has multiplayer guys! The same fucking multiplayer you've played in Call of Duty twenty eight thousand times, but it's there! VALUE ADDED!

No, you won't be able to fucking use your games beyond 24 hours if you don't have an internet connection, because we believe your lardy, undeveloped asses are so goddamn lazy that you're willing to actively give up ownership privileges just so you can fucking swap games around a little easier! Of course, that's all bullshit, because this is all an elaborate scheme to fuck piracy up some more, even though every fucked up DRM scheme that has been tried this past generation has reamed honest, hard-working and hard-payin' consumers so far up the ass that they have gaping holes larger than what's at the center of the fucking Milky Way Galaxy.

Now there are obviously exceptions. Some game journalists are raging. But this shit is ridiculous. EVERY major website right now should be eviscerating Microsoft. IGN should be fucking vomiting at these decisions every five second around the clock until the system launches. They should be disemboweling these pathetic PR representatives of these hateful corporations, spitting their sludge all over the faces of everyone who ever purchased games from them, denying them even a second to mislead legions of consumers into thinking the system is anything except what it is: the world's biggest fucking cock being whipped out and slapped across your goddamn face!

Oh, what about this shit? Why is your focus during your GAME CONSOLE reveal fuckin' TV? Why have you chosen your philosophy? WHY should gamers take this shit lying down? WHAT BENEFIT DOES IT HAVE TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!? For the love of Christ, someone ask some hard goddamn questions! You are all informed to the tit, please use your knowledge to slash these assholes throats so that all the bullshit will spill out and we'll stop having to swim through torrents of anti-consumer diarrhea!
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Epic rant \o/
 
Sethos said:
"You can move the AI to the cloud!" -- Yeah, let's assume they actually code some decent AI they can put in the cloud, what's the point of an improved AI when the entire purpose of an AI is to respond and take action based on what you do immediately, how you perform and how you move through the game-world then have the game send off the calculation, have it calculated, then send it back ... I'm quite sure that will just leave an AI dumb as a post. Most of the examples are pure horseshit for gaming purposes.
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Better yet, why not have better memory or hardware instead of depending on servers? AI is so relative and complex that it's usually how good the programmers are and what hardware the programmers are working with that dictates how good AI is.

If I was programmer I'd rather deal with hardware issues than trying to offload shit onto a server.
 
Durante said:
I hadn't even considered the inherent latency disadvantage of the GDDR5 pool! That should sadly make cloud computing all but impossible to leverage for PS4. If you add the dozens of ns of latency induced by the GDDR5 RAM over DDR3 to the network latency, and take note of the fact that this selfsame latency is not even being mitigated by a cloud-optimized move engine the whole idea seems frankly ridiculous.

The way you worked "300,000 servers" in there is masterful. But "XO" is a huge misstep, weren't you at the name briefing?

It's not hard for someone who works in Microsoft marketing to predict the Microsoft marketing strategy.
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This post is ice cold and spot on.
 
dr_rus said:
So it's like Cell in PS3, right?
Ken, is that you?
Ken?
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Yeah, this brought immediately to mind Ken's plans of Cells working in tandem across the web.

The roles have truly been reversed. The former bullshitter now provides gameplay presentations instead of trailers, and speaks about the hardware in detail and realistic manner instead of building grandiose castles in the clouds, that never become reality.
 
Mung said:
It's corruption pure and simple.. Either money or other incentives/bribes/'PR'/'treating journalists well'
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Nope. Even worse: it's laziness and utter lack of knowledge. These guys are simply not up to the task of doing their job properly.
 
What exactly is wrong with this statement? You guys crack me up sometimes and are a great laugh. Then you confuse the shit out of me with your 180 flips in opinion and doomsday prophecies. Fuck sake GAF haha.
 
Klocker said:
some thoughts on B3D how it wil work
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Something like 3x the local CPU resources being available in the cloud won't provide orders of magnitudes difference in AI processing, or whatever.

I totally think hybrid processing can and will be used this gen. I don't think it's as much of a joke as some are making out. But MS is doing a bit of hand waving here, for fairly obvious reasons. You can't really compare local and remote processing resources equally, for starters as they're doing with soundbites like in the title. You can't use remote resources for all the same things you can local. And there is a limit (albeit one that can grow with time).
 
RoboPlato said:
This post is ice cold and spot on.
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Would have been better if he'd used figures displaying this. How the added nanoseconds took the latency from an acceptable .2 seconds to an unbearable .20000000013 seconds. Would have really illustrated how boned PS4 was in this regard.
 
Durante said:
It's not hard for someone who works in Microsoft marketing to predict the Microsoft marketing strategy.
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That is awesome, before all of this in the lead up I thought he had a fishy preference above a general fanboy and when he posted that I told you so I thought the same thing.

Glassbox 2.0
 
spwolf said:
it has been speculated for a while that one of the move engines is assigned to let XO talk directly to the cloud, bypassing L2 cache. As much as I have heard, they are aiming for 4/32 frame latency, which is awesome.

PS4 has no such move engine, plus inherited latency of GDD5 compared to DD3 will make this impossible, thus giving XO big advantage once Azure cloud computing platform (300,000 servers) has been connected.
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I hope to christ you are getting paid for this shit. Really I do. lol
 
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