Based on the preview it seems like Jon's going to have a big decision to face in the next episode, as it seems like Tormund is going to put him in a position where Jon is forced to kill a Crow.
Other than that, I have no idea what's going to happen, but I'm expecting there to be fireworks in ways I didn't know was possible.
One other thought I've been having - does anyone think that Episode 9 or 10 could be a bit a Stark reunion episode of sorts? Not only is Arya heading towards the wedding, but Bran and Jon are both kind of in the same general area, aren't they? We know Jon is fairly close to the south side of the Wall, and goodness knows Bran and company must be getting close to the Wall by now. I wonder if that will come up in the last couple of episodes.
Jon is probably close to Bran and Rickon, but that group is nowhere near Robb and/or Arya.
You don't really get a sense as to why it's taking Bran and Rickon so damned long to get to the wall, but yeah they might make it this season I would think. It would make sense for that to be the end point of their arc this season.
Didn't watch that preview until now:
Looks like Jorah doesn't trust Dany's new heartthrob addition.
Yeah, I read this thread because it's kind of neat seeing speculation from non-readers, and every so often I'll chime in with some short piece of background or explanation, i.e. the same way that someone watching the show might ask me "Hey what's the deal with X?", "Oh, X is so-and-so."
The world's history is just so rich that it's hard not to fill in some stuff that the show leaves out, and I'm not sure why some people would be put off by this instead of appreciating it to some degree. Light example: Barristan Selmy doesn't do much sword-fighting in the TV show so people aren't really up to speed on how good he is. More people expound on his skill in the books, and I don't think that knowledge hurts anything. Basically, when Selmy said he could cut down the Kingsguard single handed when Joffrey dismissed him, he meant it and they knew he meant it.
I'm not comparing how it plays out in the book differently from the show, just filling in something minor. Does filler like that really bother people?
I never really understood it when people say the show hasn't properly built up Ser Barristan as a mighty warrior. While it's true he hasn't engaged in much sword play on the show, they introduced him as an honorable badass, and everyone talks about the guy in hushed tones of reverence (and more than once, someone has called him the outright best swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms). The scene where Joffrey kicks Barristan out of the Kingsguard was conveyed with a clear "holy shit he didn't just do that to Barristan of all people" vibe.
When Barristan joined up with Dany, the significance of that was immediately apparent to me. There will no doubt be a scene where Barristan puts everyone else's talk to the test, but even without that, the show has made it unambiguously clear that the guy is not to be trifled with in a sword fight.
Jon is probably close to Bran and Rickon, but that group is nowhere near Robb and/or Arya.
You don't really get a sense as to why it's taking Bran and Rickon so damned long to get to the wall, but yeah they might make it this season I would think. It would make sense for that to be the end point of their arc this season.
Didn't watch that preview until now:
Looks like Jorah doesn't trust Dany's new heartthrob addition.
Well obviously Jon/Bran/Rickon are no where close to Robb/Catelyn/Arya, but I'm saying it's possible that each of those two groups might join each other separately before the end of the season.
I assume it's taken Bran/Rickon so long to get to the Wall because 1 - there's a lot of real estate in the North 2 - they're walking. 3 - Bran's paralyzed. 4 - they seem to be walking through the woods to avoid being seen, as opposed to walking down one of the main roads.
They've been walking for 8 episodes now. That seems reasonably realistic to me. Keep in mind it took Melisandre about 6 episodes to leave for Gendry and come back, and she used a ship for most of her journey.
Hahaha! This is awesome! Or at least a Starship Troopers-like "Would you like to know more?" screen that you can click on to get more details of what is going on.
Brilliant. They should have a follow-along live map online. Or one of those cheesy, old school pan outs (pan up to the map, the pan back down to the next spot).
Last season, Yara left in that direction from Winterfell and hasn't been seen since. So, really, the map's out of date by now. She could be anywhere from King's Landing to the Iron Islands.
Last season, Yara left in that direction from Winterfell and hasn't been seen since. So, really, the map's out of date by now. She could be anywhere from King's Landing to the Iron Islands.
Last season, Yara left in that direction from Winterfell and hasn't been seen since. So, really, the map's out of date by now. She could be anywhere from King's Landing to the Iron Islands.
I've seen the maps, I just meant the character placements. Wondering if they were purely based off what we know in the show or not. They're not really spoilers, I was just wondering.
I've seen the maps, I just meant the character placements. Wondering if they were purely based off what we know in the show or not. They're not really spoilers, I was just wondering.
There's a very good reason why this is a "NO BOOK SPOILERS" thread. Leave the TV show watchers in peace and let them enjoy that realm without fear of corruption from outside influences. If show-only watchers want more background info, other TV watchers can help explain by referencing past episodes, or by linking HBO viewer guides or the TV show wiki.
Book readers don't need to be so arrogantly presumptuous or starved for attention that we need to feel obligated to help out with every last iota of info to fill the needs of show watchers. Especially when it's so easy to inadvertently spoil stuff.
Which is not to say that book readers should stay out...but jesus guys, how frickin' hard is it to not compare the book to the show, or to just pretend that the books don't exist. If a show watcher really wants supplemental book info, he or she can ask in the book thread (which is still relatively safe since it has tagged spoilers, organized by book), or ask for a PM from someone.
Wait, so where the hell are the White Walkers and thousands of wights who were marching on the fist of the first men in the season two finale? And how the hell did Jon and Ygritte and Tormund come from behind and beat them to the wall?
What I mean is, if you look at that map, the white walkers and that huge army couldn't have been but a few hundred miles away.
I agree there is a ridiculous passing of time going on here. It takes Bran like a whole season to get from Winterfell to the Wall and he's nowhere close and yet Melisandre can go from Dragonstone, to close to Riverrun and all the way back to Dragonstone?
It reminds me of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, it always bugged me that,
in the time it takes Obi-Wan to chase and fight General Greivous, days and nights pass elsewhere. And it's all real time, because by the end of the chase/fight scene, Anakin has turned, attacked the Jedi temple, the Order 66 is given by Palpatine and Obi-Wan's troops turn on him. So in essence, it means Obi-Wan was chasing him through a small tunnel on a lizard for 2 minutes and then fighting him for one, meant like a week passed lol
Wait, so where the hell are the White Walkers and thousands of wights who were marching on the fist of the first men in the season two finale? And how the hell did Jon and Ygritte and Tormund come from behind and beat them to the wall?
What I mean is, if you look at that map, the white walkers and that huge army couldn't have been but a few hundred miles away.
I agree there is a ridiculous passing of time going on here. It takes Bran like a whole season to get from Winterfell to the Wall and he's nowhere close and yet Melisandre can go from Dragonstone, to close to Riverrun and all the way back to Dragonstone?
It reminds me of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, it always bugged me that,
in the time it takes Obi-Wan to chase and fight General Greivous, days and nights pass elsewhere. And it's all real time, because by the end of the chase/fight scene, Anakin has turned, attacked the Jedi temple, the Order 66 is given by Palpatine and Obi-Wan's troops turn on him. So in essence, it means Obi-Wan was chasing him through a small tunnel on a lizard for 2 minutes and then fighting him for one, meant like a week passed lol
To be fair, Bran is basically being pulled in a cart the whole way and the North is by the largest of the Seven Kingdoms. Also, Dragonstone is in the Crownlands, which borders the Riverlands. It wouldn't be too huge of a trip. But you're right in that time of travel is often ambiguous and (at times) unrealistic.
I agree there is a ridiculous passing of time going on here. It takes Bran like a whole season to get from Winterfell to the Wall and he's nowhere close and yet Melisandre can go from Dragonstone, to close to Riverrun and all the way back to Dragonstone?
Melisandre had a ship and horses. Bran's group doesn't have either, they are staying off any main pathways/roads because the world thinks they are dead, and Bran has to be pushed in a cart because he can't walk. That group is understandably moving quite slowly, also The North is fucking massive.
Wait, so where the hell are the White Walkers and thousands of wights who were marching on the fist of the first men in the season two finale? And how the hell did Jon and Ygritte and Tormund come from behind and beat them to the wall?
What I mean is, if you look at that map, the white walkers and that huge army couldn't have been but a few hundred miles away.
I agree there is a ridiculous passing of time going on here. It takes Bran like a whole season to get from Winterfell to the Wall and he's nowhere close and yet Melisandre can go from Dragonstone, to close to Riverrun and all the way back to Dragonstone?
A good ship probably speeds up the travel time by 3-4 times at least. What tales Melisandre a month or so takes Bran a year. Also, they're traveling off the path, so that adds a ton of slowness.
I usually take the stance that an episode encompasses a week of events. Some of the events happen consecutively, some happen in between boring periods of, well, living. For example, when Bran fell, the next episode opened with them saying he's been unconscious for weeks at least.
As for the Walkers, who knows? They're a strange creature. Perhaps they are fighting and killing off all the Wildlings first. I always assumed that they cannot go south YET because Winter hasn't come. So they're taking care of business up North first, building up the Zergling army before the terrain allows them to move.
To be fair, Bran is basically being pulled in a cart the whole way and the North is by the largest of the Seven Kingdoms. Also, Dragonstone is in the Crownlands, which borders the Riverlands. It wouldn't be too huge of a trip. But you're right in that time of travel is often ambiguous and (at times) unrealistic.
Melisandre had a ship and horses. Bran's group doesn't have either, they are staying off any main pathways/roads because the world thinks they are dead, and Bran has to be pushed in a cart because he can't walk. That group is understandably moving quite slowly, also The North is fucking massive.
I've been thinking about this whole Sansa situation and I'm wondering if Podrick will come into the mix. Hrm...have the two ever actually met on screen before?
I've been thinking about this whole Sansa situation and I'm wondering if Podrick will come into the mix. Hrm...have the two ever actually met on screen before?
I'd picked up that a few people had mentioned the flaming sword thing, and it was mentioned again in the bluray extras about the siege of Pyke, but I never realised it was that guy.
People extrapolate their hatred of the characters to the actors. Look at the people who hated Laurie Holden for her portrayal of Andrea in the Walking Dead.
That being said, I honestly feel Dormer, Headey, and Christie should have been nominated over Clarke. It's amazing just how amazing Nikolaj and Gwendolyn were in their scenes together.
Shae is awful, Tyrion is so in love with her apparently but the two have zero chemistry. I just don't get what Tyrion likes about her so much, cause she is flat out dislikable at points.
Shae is awful, Tyrion is so in love with her apparently but the two have zero chemistry. I just don't get what Tyrion likes about her so much, cause she is flat out dislikable at points.
Shae is awful, Tyrion is so in love with her apparently but the two have zero chemistry. I just don't get what Tyrion likes about her so much, cause she is flat out dislikable at points.
