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MCV: Retail sources talk used Xbox One games, £35 for used game in UK [U2: Eurogamer]
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oldergamer
Member
I'm expecting MS finalizes this system as they already have been talking to resellers and retailers about it. You're blowing this way out of proportion.
What a pain in the ass. I refuse to support something like this, so until it is abandoned it looks like I'll continue to pretend that the new Xbox simply doesn't exist. I don't really buy that many used games or anything. It's just the principle of the thing when it comes to a physical media. In shocked there isn't more outrage from gamers, especially longtime Gamera who have been around since close to the start of this hobby.
You don't need to introduce a method of digital copy resale to a physical copy. They are trying to turn a physical copy into a digital copy, and that's not a good thing.
And i have heard nothing about being able to resell an actual digital copy of an Xbone-game.
toddhunter
Member
I think people seem to forget that the most important thing for devs is people buying games in the first place.
Removing all the reasons to buy in favour of getting a cut of sales that no longer exist might not be the best idea.
Re: your edit, this information is coming straight from retailers, so is presumably specific to retail.
Re: prices, they're probably aiming for full RRP. Games launching alongside a new console are always full RRP anyway (or nearly) so they probably just intend for that to continue. If your only alternative (retail) is pre-owned at £45.99, what's the difference?
Looking at the MCV article again, it seems likely that the £35 fee will be split between retailer, Microsoft and publisher, so resale value would probably be maximum about £12 (to be just under the RRP). Which is probably just enough to get people to still sell their games and keep it ticking over. As long as MS/pubs get their cut of all game transactions, what do they care if they're used or new? The distinction is moot. That's my take at least.
jordan0386
Member
Cant give hackers that much time.
Small retailers getting fucked is what bother me the most I think. A lot of people get pissy at retailers making margin on used games, but small retailers live on thin margins as it is.
ConfusedCat
Banned
A popular way to get rid of old games in Australia is to donate to a childrens hospital
Sorry kids, Microsoft fucked you over this time (this is a disgrace in itself)
Same with their comments about the troops. Sony really should hit them hard in the US on that
"oh hey your a soldier? buy a 360"
how about FUCK OFF. Those soldiers risk their lives daily so you fuckheads can sit in an office making shit house decisions that destroy consumer rights.
quite amazing really.
They really have given sony a softball here to knock out of the park
Sorry kids, Microsoft fucked you over this time (this is a disgrace in itself)
Same with their comments about the troops. Sony really should hit them hard in the US on that
"oh hey your a soldier? buy a 360"
how about FUCK OFF. Those soldiers risk their lives daily so you fuckheads can sit in an office making shit house decisions that destroy consumer rights.
quite amazing really.
They really have given sony a softball here to knock out of the park
oldergamer
Member
Yeah that's the part I'm still unsure about. if my console is not online, I shouldn't have to do anything.
That's a good point too.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Also, it makes more sense that a digitally downloaded game can't be resold or lent out to a friend. I was going to buy retail all gen because I'm a collector and like to lend out games to friends.
If consoles are going to put in all the same restrictions as PC's do and not give the consumer any of the benefits that come with PC gaming like huge sales and free online play then ill have almost zero motivation to buy these consoles. I can deal with not playing Halo 5 or Uncharted 4.
Starwolf_UK
Member
When did you see this happen? I just checked Madden 09 on 360[/url on Amazon marketplace...
The cheapest copy has been $0.01+shipping for over a year. Heck in May 2009 it was below the $10 mark and May 2012 looks to be well less than $5.
Bear in mind some of those $0.01 copies might have been on there for months. So Gamestop giving you $0.25 instantly, today is a good deal. You might be able to earn more than $0.25 via amazon marketplace if you have a spare postage bag and somehow get very cheap shipping (and don't value the time of having to ship it...). Most people don't have time to "get lucky"...(and it seems unlikely to happen here)
If you're going to use a gouged by retailer example, pick examples of games that are valuable (e.g. Pokemon) rather than sports game.
oldergamer
Member
When you install it and don't need to disc in to play, it's basically is a virtual copy.
von Stroheim
Member
The slippery slope just got more slopery. Just give up any rights you have as a consumer, because, you know, HALO!
ConfusedCat
Banned
MikeE21286
Member
What I don't get is why people are saying that this is going to COMPLETELY and unequivocally kill the amount of money we get back from retailers for used games.
I'm sure there will be multiple retailers in the program. Yes, I understand resale value will likely go down, but nobody can say with certainty that they will hit rock bottom. Retailers compete against each other too.
Just my thoughts.
I'm sure there will be multiple retailers in the program. Yes, I understand resale value will likely go down, but nobody can say with certainty that they will hit rock bottom. Retailers compete against each other too.
Just my thoughts.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Sounds good? You peeps sure love some monopoly. Ebert tried selling anything out there that required such bullishly bullshit? I Haven't. Preventing private sale to whoever seem fit is the way it should be.
Oh well...
Oh well...
BigWeather
Member
Yes, this is a positive. A market for "used" digital copies is needed (at the very least to address the EU's ruling).
However, it is unnecessary for the physical media market, in which many people still prefer to participate. I can (and do!) play my Atari 2600 and Odyssey2 cartridges. Can you guarantee that the rights database will be around in 35 years so that I can play my XBone games? Sure, I'll still need a working console (like I have a working 2600 and Odyssey2) and playable media (again, I have that) -- but I can at least control that. I can't control the rights database.
I accept the uncertainty with digital purchases because they (at least the ones I buy) are much cheaper. I'm not taking that risk with a $60+ purchase.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Wow. This whole thing is a big drama about nothing. You can still trade shit in.
A lot of people look kinda silly. Nice to see the goalposts being moved to "oh I can't sell to WHOEVER I want" now.
A lot of people look kinda silly. Nice to see the goalposts being moved to "oh I can't sell to WHOEVER I want" now.
Paracelsus
Member
This sounds a system that will cripple the XBone everywhere but in America, nevermind the hideous fact you can't price a game the way you see fit.
ConfusedCat
Banned
and my point about giving kids hospitals free games? still fucked.
What country do you live in?
UberTag
Member
Microsoft is going to curry favor with the armed forces by getting the US military hooked up with Internet hotspots and free Xbones at military outposts so the Internet hangup isn't an issue.
MS will get good PR and this issue ceases to be a problem.
Charities are screwed, though. Donate a Wii U instead.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
whalenapp81
Member
Nope. Not really blowing out of proportion because its more than likely illegal. Not to mention anti-consumer. Also, I wish they would get taken to court so we can settle game (an othe forms of media) second hand sales once and for all. Publishers/ developers don't deserve a single cent of a second hand sale.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
You do realize that people who sell their games do end up buying more games for it, correct?
They're always getting a cut off it, one way or another.
People accepting this practice are doing this to themselves.
MikeE21286
Member
Yeah, unfortunately fringe-case stuff like that will be troublesome, yes.
ConfusedCat
Banned
I can't donate my old games to the kids hospital
THAT SHIT IS FUCKED
Soldiers can't play their games on campus. THAT SHIT IS FUCKED.
Microsoft has said the soldiers should get 360s instead of actually giving a fuck about those who risk their lives daily. It's crazy. and in a patriotic nation like the US its insanity
The goalposts moved from "consumers get screwed" to "consumers get screwed". Hell of an improvement!
Just like I expected. What sucks is you cannot lend games to your friends and rentals are out. Of course now private sales are over. You will likely get low balled by gametop as well.
You just paid 60 bucks for that game two weeks ago? Gamestop will give you 15 bucks for it.
Who are you lending your shit to where it returns scratched? I have NEVER had that problem.
You just paid 60 bucks for that game two weeks ago? Gamestop will give you 15 bucks for it.
Who are you lending your shit to where it returns scratched? I have NEVER had that problem.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Yeah because that's what people have been opposed to. Not being able to give their games away to kids. That was the outrage.
Why can't soldiers just download the games they have tied to their accounts anyway? Don't they have Internet?
AHA-Lambda
Member
Good for you son.
ConfusedCat
Banned
internet connectivity in afghanistan is fucked perhaps?
Chains give you way less money already than if you sell something privately. Be it it person to person, Ebay or Craigslist. If these retailers now Also have to give a cut to MS out of every used game they sell where do you think that cut will come from? Out of their own pockets? Hell no! That will come from the consumers who will get even less money for their games.
You are probably one of the worst posters on GAF. Thanks for reminding me to put you on my ignore list.
Sir Garbageman
Member
I buy / sell around 80% of my used games through ebay to private individuals which I guess is boxed out of this system. So yea...fuck you MS.
The Elite
BOSS
Why are they being so god damn coy about this?
Did they not bother to tell Gamestop about this prior to Tuesday's event? Why? This seems like a logical solution.
The downside is that the retailer will obviously sell used copies for more now that a percentage goes to the publishers.
Still, seems like the best solution.
Yeah, this is the other downside. Also, the adoption of this system into smaller "mom & pop" retailers will probably take time. I imagine they will suffer the most.
It would be nice if you could just deactivate your own games and just sell them on your own. But I don't think that's going to happen.
I imagine MS will have a system for giving away these games to charity without any sort of penalty. If the games can be deactivated, MS can have a reactivation policy for charity.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Download it to the console before you go?
Take your console?
I know for a fact a guy I knew who was in Afghanistan used his iPad every day so it can't be some wasteland of no connections.
Yes. It's all an innocent deal and there is nothing wrong with Microsoft giving you PERMISSION to use a game and PERMISSION to sell the code to whichever venues they choose.
toddhunter
Member
Come on, I do it, all the time. That's called sharing, and has always been an important part of video games.
It baffles me that so many people want to completely ignore this issue as if lending games is a childish thing. "Yeah, you're a grown up dude, you got to buy the games now." Seriously.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I never sell my games anyway. This still restricts me lending my games to friends, which was my whole problem with the situation. You're essentially defending them for giving you crumbs when for years you've been getting the whole loaf of bread.
Audioboxer
Member
Me, to my GF.