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MCV: Retail sources talk used Xbox One games, £35 for used game in UK [U2: Eurogamer]

Microsoft have pissed me off no end with all this but this compramise doesn't sound THAT bad to be honest, in fact its not much different to it is now really for the consumer side.
 
Samyy said:
Retailers win

MS wins

Consumers lose
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Pretty much this. So instead of getting 5 dollars for a game at gamestop we can get 1 dollar. With no option to trade with a friend for another game or sell it privately. Its funny the publishers call gamestop evil but they win in all this since they become a used game monopoly.
 
water_wendi said:
Who says there will be no sales for the Xbone? Are all games going to be full release price from now until the servers sunset? i doubt that very much. Also new games on Steam cost full price.. Bioshock Infiinite is currently $59.99 on Steam.
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Because digitally downloading games is already available on 360 and the sales they do have are usually laughable. There's no reason to assume that will change.
 
Klocker said:
...how else do you control a system where you have a disc but you dont need the disc to play the game? Without some sort of DRM you have to have disc in tray for every game and fast game switching is impossible or one eiac gets bought and 100000 people could play off one purchase.

this Gen is about seamless game switching even Sony showed it
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I actually don't think many people give a flying fuck about having to put the disc in. I sure don't
 
water_wendi said:
Can you sell games back to Steam now?


im opposed to both. i just find it funny that there is this huge uproar because Microsoft is doing it but on PC Valve gets showered with praise for doing essentially the same thing. People threatening to go PC only because of the Xbone? lol
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I'm not blind enough to find Steam the end all sanctuary for PC gaming, but I use it because I can get games for less than $10, frequently less than a year after it's been released.

Let's see that happen with the XBone. (Hint: It won't.)
 
Salaadin said:
PC Games are cheap as hell. You can even get release day games for 10+ dollars off...sometimes 50% off the console price if you know where to look. Thats why Steam mostly gets a free pass here. We dont mind not being able to sell our PC games when we are already paying used game prices for them.
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New games have new game prices. Old games and indie titles are priced accordingly on Steam. Does Live Arcade charge $59.99 for new indie releases? i dont know because i dont own a 360.

If you oppose the Xbone for its used games policy but support Steam, you need to reconsider your position because its flawed.
 
Sir Fragula said:
Can you sell your iOS apps? Can you sell your Steam games? Not going to make a judgement as to whether that's 'right' or not, just that if the EU CC hasn't come down on those two prime, existing examples then why would they on this?
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iOS games don't cost $60 or have a physical copy.

Steam games have such high competition that prices are commonly 50-80% off.

The EU is going to destroy microsoft if they don't allow private sales.
 
rpmurphy said:
So, I assume that you can't just give away a game for free either? There has to be money involved in the transfer involving MS and a used game store?
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Not without giving your account details to another users box so they can play it with your account in theirs.

I love my good friends but I don't want my account on 10 Xbones.
 
rpmurphy said:
So, I assume that you can't just give away a game for free either? There has to be money involved in the transfer with MS and a used game store?
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I assume it works this way:
You trade it in at Gamestop, they pay the fees to MS and resell it.

You give/loan the game to your friend, your friend pays the fee to MS himself.
 
rpmurphy said:
So, I assume that you can't just give away a game for free either? There has to be money involved in the transfer involving MS and a used game store?
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There doesn't seem to be any way of doing it with a physical disc. Maybe there will be some way of doing a digital transfer gift? Just speculation.
 
RetroStu said:
Microsoft have pissed me off no end with all this but this compramise doesn't sound THAT bad to be honest, in fact its not much different to it is now really for the consumer side.
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Not to different? Can I trade games with my brother or sell a game to a co-worker? Can I sell a game on ebay? All this does is make gamestop even more of a monster and drive down trade in prices for used games. Might not even be worth trading in games on the Xbox one with gamestop having all the power. They can give even less for a game and you can't go any where else. So it becomes steam except you don't get the good stuff only the bad. So games become 59.99 rentals since trade in values will be so bad.
 
Awesome, so instead of any actual money you get to sell the game for next to nothing, and they'll still be $5 under retail.

Everyone wins except the consumer!
 
Sir Fragula said:
Can you sell your iOS apps? Can you sell your Steam games? Not going to make a judgement as to whether that's 'right' or not, just that if the EU CC hasn't come down on those two prime, existing examples then why would they on this?
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These are not sold at retail stores. Thats a key difference.
 
Xater said:
You are giving me no reason why this should happen except for that they can and want to. It's not to my benefit and if you believe so strongly that this is a good thing we should do it with all our entertainment. if you sell your I ron man Blu-Ray Disney should get some money again right? I am pretty sure Sony has created a patent a while ago that would allow this.
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I don't think it's a good thing. We both agree that it's not, but IF we have to live under this draconian used game rules, then I'd rather see developer get some benefit rather than Microsoft. They should get fuck all. So what if they are supplying the infrastructure, no wanted want them to int he first place and they should eat the costs for doing so. But that wont' happen because they only reason they are doing this is to make more money for themselves.
 
ConfusedCat said:
I actually don't think many people give a flying fuck about having to put the disc in. I sure don't
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Well it sure looks like Sony is planning to have that feature this Gen too as its part of their multimedia and is functions so seems like they will need DRM too.

Its a solution a problem from adding a feature

The real.problem isn't the game switching its keeping the discs. Next next Gen discs will be gone and we won't have any options like these proposed used games.

Big picture
 
Here's the thing that bugs me. What is the $35 fee for? I'd understand it if publishers got nothing from GameStop but apparently they get the majority of the price that the used game gets from a sale. That means the rest is a "mystery tax" that's unaccounted for.
 
pahamrick said:
I'm not blind enough to find Steam the end all sanctuary for PC gaming, but I use it because I can get games for less than $10, frequently less than a year after it's been released.

Let's see that happen with the XBone. (Hint: It won't.)
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All games are going to be release price forever on the Xbone? i doubt that. Below $10, who knows? i do know that any new release on Steam that isnt an indie title is not going for under $10.
 
Alphahawk said:
Here's the thing that bugs me. What is the $35 fee for? I'd understand it if publishers got nothing from GameStop but apparently they get the majority of the price that the used game gets from a sale. That means the rest is a "mystery tax" that's unaccounted for.
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That's the infinite power from the cloud tax. Infinite power does not come cheap you know.
 
water_wendi said:
All games are going to be release price forever on the Xbone? i doubt that. Below $10, who knows? i do know that any new release on Steam that isnt and indie title is not going for under $10.
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No, but I've seen them go for as much as half off. And Boarderlands 2 came out last year and was on sale for $7 on steam last weekend. Boarderlands 2 is never going that low on 360.
 
This is what I expected and it's still way too restrictive. no personal lending, no renting, no private sales (without MS making the new owner buying it again). And the online checks are still there.

Nope. no deal. MS has nothing up its sleeves to offset the loss of consumer freedom instituting this system.

Vote with your wallets, everyone. If you're against this, do not buy this just because you get an itch for Halo
 
Mashing said:
I don't think it's a good thing. We both agree that it's not, but IF we have to live under this draconian used game rules, then I'd rather see developer get some benefit rather than Microsoft. They should get fuck all. So what if they are supplying the infrastructure, no wanted want them to int he first place and they should eat the costs for doing so. But that wont' happen because they only reason they are doing this is to make more money for themselves.
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I don't want any draconian infrastructure at all. I give fuck all about MS or the developers. I want to retain my consumer rights for the product I bought. That's why I am using the example of other media. You don#t want to see it there either so why should it be here? because you are so invested in this medium that you have a white knight complex for the developers? These guys will most likely not see that money anyway.
 
water_wendi said:
Who says there will be no sales for the Xbone? Are all games going to be full release price from now until the servers sunset? i doubt that very much. Also new games on Steam cost full price.. Bioshock Infiinite is currently $59.99 on Steam.

Gifting is just buying a copy and sending it to another person on Steam. If you can trade now on Steam thats news to me.
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If you think Microsoft will suddenly have sales as good as Steam you are fooling yourself. The sales are so good many of my friends online and in real life will just purchase a game for 1-10 bucks and gift it to a friend to play with.

This will never happen on the XBO. I won't be able to lend my coworker my copy of Bioshock to let them see if it's wotrth a purchase or not for them with how this system operates. Some of you are blind to what has been a mainstay in console gaming forever. The power to trade a game between friends, or influence a person on something they never tried before will now die outside of demos. I'm voting with my wallet you do what you want man. Hope everything in XBO is as great as you hope it is.
 
metalslimer said:
Why do people keep pretending like no one has any problems with Steam. And why do people keep pretending like this console will have sales anywhere near Steam sales. And why do people keep pretending this system will have free online multiplayer. And why do people keep pretending like this system is anything like a PC to begin with or that the PC market has had a used market in a long time. Why do people keep pretendnig like DD is the same as a fucking disc?
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Do you mean Free to Play? because that's happening now on consoles. Like Sony and Microsoft said Free to play and .99 cent games are going to be on the systems.

Playstation Plus gives you steam like sales, during certain times of the year. It has x86 architecture so there for pc architecture, go look in you c:/ drive there's 2 windows folders one is x64, the other is x86. XBOX ONE uses DDR3 memory, uses a CPU based on amd's new apu which is going into high end ultrabooks and tablets. The gpu is of a AMD design based on the 700 series? Anything else you want to know?

They are pretty much pc's with custom OS'S and API's. What is your logic good sire? The only difference is that these systems use a controller, and still rely on retail disc sales. That's the big difference along with OS and other's mentioned.

Oh yea, unless otherwise outed, they don't support keyboard mouse.

Also XBOX ONE uses windows 8 kernel as well.
 
Alphahawk said:
Here's the thing that bugs me. What is the $35 fee for? I'd understand it if publishers got nothing from GameStop but apparently they get the majority of the price that the used game gets from a sale. That means the rest is a "mystery tax" that's unaccounted for.
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What $35?

you sell the game like always. Gamestop resells it at used price but give a small cut to pub and ms
 
x-Lundz-x said:
I assume it works this way:
You trade it in at Gamestop, they pay the fees to MS and resell it.

You give/loan the game to your friend, your friend pays the fee to MS himself.
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My own guess is that you can take back your license and transfer it to another user on your friend list, but you have to pay a fee to do so.

So the only way to loan a friend a game is to transfer it via xbox live and transfer it back via xbox live. Say it's $5 to transfer it one way, that would be $10 just to let your friend use your game and get it back.

Fucking ridiculous.
 
Klocker said:
...how else do you control a system where you have a disc but you dont need the disc to play the game? Without some sort of DRM you have to have disc in tray for every game and fast game switching is impossible or else one disc gets bought and 100000 people could play off one purchase.

this Gen is about seamless game switching even Sony showed it
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Yeah you give up a lot to not have to switch a disc. I much rather switch a disc than lose all rights to my game.

Do you work for Ms? I see you defending them in every thread. You try to tell me the cloud had nothing to do with drm. that is just Ms pr spin.

Anyway you are fling a terrible job...
 
water_wendi said:
All games are going to be release price forever on the Xbone? i doubt that. Below $10, who knows? i do know that any new release on Steam that isnt an indie title is not going for under $10.
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They pretty much are on xbox on demand and psn right now. We can only go by what they have done in the past or are doing now. I don't trust either to lower prices of digital games. Sony had a chance with the vita and all they give is measily 5 dollars off and you need over priced memory card to do it.
 
p3tran said:
are you really going to argue that the majority is like you? :)
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I'm going to argue that the success of failure of Xbox One will have nothing to do with this, ultimately. Games will go digital only and trades in will become a thing of the past in our lifetime (and a lot sooner than people seem to expect), and I don't believe it's going to kill the industry.
 
Sir Fragula said:
I can buy Steam games in retail. GAME has a huge section for them now, and they are just as expensive as other platform's games...
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Yeah, and if you buy games that way on PC that's your choice. The problem with consoles is that there is a very good chance we wont have a choice no matter how we buy.
 
Big picture let us assume this is the plan to give developers and publishers more money.

They are assuming the games bought at launch won't decrease, they are assuming we'll actively put more cash into our hobby. It won't happen, I, and millions of others will have to be WAY more selective in what we buy... a lot less money will flow in.

If they some how get us Steam sales and much lower prices, how are the developers going to get WAY more money than they do now. They won't. So why and how does this benefit ANYONE in the long run aside from MS who is just positioning itself to take EBGames' position?
 
Zen_Arcade said:
Because digitally downloading games is already available on 360 and the sales they do have are usually laughable. There's no reason to assume that will change.
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I don't really think DD games will be a viable option for most people next gen, 30-50gig games with current broadband speeds and caps for some people, its not going to work really.
I have pretty standard 8mb broadband and i worked out that with my top speed, it would take roughly 25 hours to download a 50gig game lol.
 
zomgbbqftw said:
I get the feeling they are looking right now. From the chatter I've been hearing Sony are working on a completely offline system for authorisation and deactivation and users will be allowed to deactivate games for resale themselves. I think it is related to the patent they filed early last year. I think games will be allowed an activation on up to 3 consoles like PSN games are atm. After you reach the limit it will ask you to deactivate the game on one of the three consoles. When you want to sell the game you can deactivate all of the consoles and trade it in.

At least that's what the chatter is right now. Obviously none of this information is from Sony, just chatter and rumours...
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How would that work offline? A small, rewritable portion of the disc for that purpose?
 
water_wendi said:
All games are going to be release price forever on the Xbone? i doubt that. Below $10, who knows? i do know that any new release on Steam that isnt an indie title is not going for under $10.
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They're never release price forever, and where did I say games at release are going for under $10? I said frequently within less than a year of release. I've never seen a full retail non-indie game selling for less than $10 on 360 within a year of release. Not saying some craptastic bomb games haven't, but games I've wanted to purchase never have been.

I should have known better than to respond to you when the topic involves steam, silly me.
 
matellis said:
Sounds good, but will places like gamespot just increase the price of used games to cover what they will lose and pass the cost on to us? Also, how will renting work?
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Wouldn't renting work the same. All gamefly has to do it use the azure system? They send you the game and it links to your system, you send it back and its removed.

Does this mean its possible to rent the game without physically having the disk?
 
This is going to be absolute disaster within each retailer. The logistics of getting all this to work will be hilarious. Casual consumers will be so incredibly confused.
 
Klocker said:
...how else do you control a system where you have a disc but you dont need the disc to play the game? Without some sort of DRM you have to have disc in tray for every game and fast game switching is impossible or else one disc gets bought and 100000 people could play off one purchase.

this Gen is about seamless game switching even Sony showed it
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I forgot that Sony is doing the same thing when it comes to games on disc. The game has to install to the hard drive so I wonder if they'll have a similar system in place as well otherwise one person could buy it and chain mail the shit out of that disc.
 
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