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MCV: Retail sources talk used Xbox One games, £35 for used game in UK [U2: Eurogamer]

fluffydelusions said:
How would that even work?
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I think Microsoft also said something about a online market but im not sure where you could sell digital bought copies.

This is good for the digital consumer who is used to steam.
This is very bad for the physical game owners that want to share with friends..

I'm a big steam buyer have like 113 games on my account which is small compared to other in the steam threads. Most of those games come from sales. and i only played like 30 of them and finished like 10 of them.

This system is pro me if the game prices and sale prices are good. It all depends on those two factors if i will use it or not. My main concern right now is the mandatory kinect 2.0 requirement that is what keeps me from buying Xbone.

For the person that want to give his friend the game for like a week. This is very bad. Something i can understand. But i rather have AAA games for $5~25 in sales week then
Sharing or physical resale.

Microsoft sets up a Netflix for games kinda service where you rent a game for a couple of days. Where the publishers and Microsoft get a cut .
 
Neo+Gaf=Nerd_Fap said:
Games should go down in price due to this.
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It won't.

Depending on how much the percentage of the cut is, retailers like GameStop still need to make money too. So why not bleed a little bit more money out of the consumer by offering higher used game prices that hold on a lot longer? (think how a lot of Nintendo game prices tend to hold on)
 
Xater said:
you think that as wel abut books, DVDs or any other fucking form of media or product? Don't be ridiculous.
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Is your only argument is that it takes money out of your pocket?

And of course I do not feel that way about those other form of media's, because they do not have the same resale restrictions as Xbone games are going to have. I should clarify, this only applies to Xbone game since we have to conform to Microsoft's bullshit used game practices. I say, since Microsoft will know when a game is resold in their database, they can easily throw some of those proceeds to the developers? Why the fuck not? Is it because you do not get the same value for your used game as you would if you sold it private? Well, guess what? That's going to be the case irregardless.
 
water_wendi said:
Sounds like Steam except you can actually get trade-in credit which you cant do for PC games.
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Why do people keep pretending like no one has any problems with Steam. And why do people keep pretending like this console will have sales anywhere near Steam sales. And why do people keep pretending this system will have free online multiplayer. And why do people keep pretending like this system is anything like a PC to begin with or that the PC market has had a used market in a long time. Why do people keep pretendnig like DD is the same as a fucking disc?
 
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MikeE21286 said:
Oh they can, yes.

The ramifications for GameFly and other rental services is that their costs would rise astronomically.

Not only do they have to be in the reseller program (which likely has an annual or per-title/quantity-based fee) but they also have to pay a cut back to the publishers each time they de-activate a title.

GameFly would have to either pay this fee on a per-title basis every time someone rented a game, or strike up agreements with each individual publisher that they worked with.

In the end, what would/will happen is that GameFly will pass along these costs to everyone, us the consumers. What's a $15/month service now may double in price to $30/month or more depending on what the fees are associated with the reseller program and de-activiation of titles paid to the publishers.
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But they said it was a percentage fee. 10% of zero is zero. That's what I mean. If its a flat fee, they're screwed. But since the transaction is zero dollars, as there's no money changing hands for the game, Microsoft gets no money.

Of course, this is all super speculative and based on one article.
 
Impeccable said:
Except Steam will sell games for dollars compared to consoles.
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Can you sell games back to Steam now?

Is the Steam argument the official astroturfing move now?
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im opposed to both. i just find it funny that there is this huge uproar because Microsoft is doing it but on PC Valve gets showered with praise for doing essentially the same thing. People threatening to go PC only because of the Xbone? lol
 
with the timing of

-EA cancelling online passes
-EA announcing no Wii U Games
-Xbox One having crazy used games policy


i mean, its just to coincidental
 
water_wendi said:
Sounds like Steam except you can actually get trade-in credit which you cant do for PC games.
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But steam gives crazy sales all the time and you can at least trade and gift someone on the platform can you not? Hell A friend got me a Payday while it's on sale because it was on my wish list and I doubt very seriously XBO will allow you to do that or even have great deals on their service when they can just back end profit through retail or charge you to activate a used game you already purchased (assuming this is true, but honestly a lot of things we thought were false with XBO has been closer to truth than not)
 
NemesisPrime said:
How many of you actually buy music CDs? I am just wondering. I bet all of you do.... right?
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I only buy CDs. Anything else I stream through Spotify or Mog. I've bought maybe 2 albums on iTunes. I have a CD player in my car and buy used CDs that I buy at yard sales/independent record stores (Which I couldn't even use if it was up to Microsoft). I also buy vinyl, actual books instead of digital, and Blurays and DVDs instead of streaming or downloading them. I find far more benefits in physical media, even if it takes up more room.
 
The way this system is set up makes me think that Sony has no intention of doing the same thing.

The way the xbone system works is why there's a 24 hour check in. Sony has already said that no network connection is required, at all. So how would this used game system work on a PS4 that has never been connected to the internet?

At worst it will be publisher specific and they would have to set up their own used game system.
 
This system really is ridiculous and I hope it completely fails for Microsoft. This is the only industry that wants to do something like this and it makes absolutely no sense at all.

Could you imagine if, book, furniture and car companies wanted to do the same thing and make a cut of the profits with every 2nd hand sale?
 
What will happen in say 20 years time? Would we still be able to trade in games when the servers are shut down or if a retailer goes out of business?
 
hal9001 said:
What will happen in say 20 years time? Would we still be able to trade in games when the servers are shut down or if a retailer goes out of business?
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take the point but gamestop aint taking a 20 year old game

WITH THAT SAID

i recently purchased a NES game on ebay. Yep, a NES game.
 
Einbroch said:
But they said it was a percentage fee. 10% of zero is zero. That's what I mean. If its a flat fee, they're screwed. But since the transaction is zero dollars, as there's no money changing hands for the game, Microsoft gets no money.

Of course, this is all super speculative and based on one article.
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Yeah, I think that a different pricing model would most likely be devised for rental services.

Charging a percentage of the future sale would most likely not be how it's done with a rental service.

Again, like you said, all speculation. But that's a massive open-loophole if it stands for rental services.
 
Kagari said:
Let's hope Sony doesn't. As someone who sells all their games privately, I hope they're looking very closely at all this backlash.
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I get the feeling they are looking right now. From the chatter I've been hearing Sony are working on a completely offline system for authorisation and deactivation and users will be allowed to deactivate games for resale themselves. I think it is related to the patent they filed early last year. I think games will be allowed an activation on up to 3 consoles like PSN games are atm. After you reach the limit it will ask you to deactivate the game on one of the three consoles. When you want to sell the game you can deactivate all of the consoles and trade it in.

At least that's what the chatter is right now. Obviously none of this information is from Sony, just chatter and rumours...
 
Sucks I used to sell my games online through ebay or half.com.

Now I have to sell it for like $5 to Gamestop who then sell it back to another person for $40.
 
I think some people might be confused on the renting system. At least with a service like Gamefly.

Due to Microsoft having mandatory installs for the games and activation like codes it is just like PC gaming.

Gamefly does not offer renting of PC games. You can buy a game from them and download but cannot rent.

Same if going to happen with Microsoft. You can't put a system/time period/price per game in place for this. You aren't renting on a per game basis with Gamefly. Gamefly is a monthly charge to rent whatever you want from their catalog for AS LONG as you want.

There will be no renting of XBone games period. But places like Gamefly will probably be able to offer full download of games through an app in the system possibly? Unless MSFT doesn't allow that and only through their marketplace.

I don't know any which way you look at this its shitty. No more renting and no more buying/selling from unofficial second hand markets sucks.
 
if they prevent privat sales, i wont buy the system.
i can get double / near retail prices selling games on ebay in comparison trading it in at a retailer in my country.
 
flyinpiranha said:
They provide the infrastructure for the publisher to receive a cut of used sales. Basically, they provide a service that was not needed.
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Not only that, applying this to every game at even a few dollars would be disproportionately high compared to the publisher's risk. This is about exploiting fears in publishers to establish a new revenue stream.
 
Mashing said:
Is your only argument is that it takes money out of your pocket?

And of course I do not feel that way about those other form of media's, because they do not have the same resale restrictions as Xbone games are going to have. I should clarify, this only applies to Xbone game since we have to conform to Microsoft's bullshit used game practices. I say, since Microsoft will know when a game is resold in their database, they can easily throw some of those proceeds to the developers? Why the fuck not? Is it because you do not get the same value for your used game as you would if you sold it private? Well, guess what? That's going to be the case irregardless.
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You are giving me no reason why this should happen except for that they can and want to. It's not to my benefit and if you believe so strongly that this is a good thing we should do it with all our entertainment. if you sell your I ron man Blu-Ray Disney should get some money again right? I am pretty sure Sony has created a patent a while ago that would allow this.
 
water_wendi said:
Can you sell games back to Steam now?


im opposed to both. i just find it funny that there is this huge uproar because Microsoft is doing it but on PC Valve gets showered with praise for doing essentially the same thing. People threatening to go PC only because of the Xbone? lol
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How do you not understand the difference in not being able to give a friend a digtial copy of a game and not being able to hand them a physical game like people have been doing for decades? If these consoles are going to add in all of the restrictions on PC with none of the benefits of playing on a PC then there's no reason for me to buy the console.
 
Ninja Moomin said:
So what? Who lends £40 discs to get scratched to fuck anyway?
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Wow, you can't be serious. I do think that it's a good but still unnecessary loop we are having to jump to.

And let's be clear, you still have to give your account credentials to someone who wants to play the game on another box.

I can't see this being too much of a good thing just because Microsoft is allowing you to do it.

I think the retail method will work though so that's perfectly fine but for personal loans, BS.
 
is it legal for Microsoft to control the price of used games?

this is what they are doing by setting the minimum cost at 35£


I seriously doubt that this practice is legal regarding EU consumer law
 
water_wendi said:
Can you sell games back to Steam now?


im opposed to both. i just find it funny that there is this huge uproar because Microsoft is doing it but on PC Valve gets showered with praise for doing essentially the same thing. People threatening to go PC only because of the Xbone? lol
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PC Games are cheap as hell. You can even get release day games for 10+ dollars off...sometimes 50% off the console price if you know where to look. Thats why Steam mostly gets a free pass here. We dont mind not being able to sell our PC games when we are already paying used game prices for them.
 
So in a nutshell: "We won't kill the used game market, we are just going to control it. You can't sell or trade your used games unless you go through us first and we get to profit from it."

Still very anti-consumer. The initial $60 the customer pays isn't enough and they had to find a way to squeeze more profit every single time the game changes hands. Very money grubbing strategy.
 
metalslimer said:
That's just sad. A couple of games with huge limitations is not what I had in mind.
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You really have no clue do you?

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/17/43...quest-for-free-to-play-user-generated-content

If you watch Media Molecule's presentation they talk about tools provided by them and Sony fro User generated games or Mods.

I would go re watch the video, of course their not going to be as great as creating mods on a pc. But it's start, outside of multiplayer games like Timesplitters and Unreal there weren't many companies providing tools for mods and user generated content.
 
Papacheeks(GRPodcast) said:
Have you ever worked retail? Retailers don't make straight profit on games, lot's of times they lose money. Up till recently there are incentives to retailer's moving large amounts of units for certain titles will get them kick back from Microsoft and Sony. They make most of their money on accessories, like cables, controllers, headsets, DLC cards, and used games.

You must be confused as I worked at a Manager Level at both Gamestop and Best Buy, we look at numbers daily for revenue and margin. Also we log in to a special widget that calculates what our percentage is from selling certain Microsoft endorsed products. The same goes for Sony. Btw since this MVC thread hasn't been confirmed or denied yet I'm taking it with a grain of salt. Plus my understanding from interviews says that you can play a game on the XBOX ONE from the disc. Meaning install is mandatory for certain features of the game like multiplayer or what ever.

Plus if you uninstall the game completely and it updates to MS server's who says your not going to get good credit for it. There are ton's we don't know for sure, so right now were all making assumptions. The biggest thing we can all agree on is EA did away with passes, because Microsoft implemented a system in the OS that ties the game to your account. Like a pc does, and guess what these are running X86 architecture, just like pc. Sucks that those days of selling games to someone are over, but we are in a day where games on steam are 3 dollars, the same goes for PlayStation Plus discounts.

We still don;t know jack yet, so it;s right now a wait and see. But I don't think MS and Sony would be so brash as to screw over retailers that are their biggest Preorder stations for new Consoles and games.
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No I have not ever worked in a game shop and as you say you worked in management at one I'm sure you have a deeper understanding of this subject, however you don't seem to actually have a point relevant to what I'm saying. At the very least you aren't making it clear what your point is.
 
Con_Smith said:
But steam gives crazy sales all the time and you can at least trade and gift someone on the platform can you not?
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Who says there will be no sales for the Xbone? Are all games going to be full release price from now until the servers sunset? i doubt that very much. Also new games on Steam cost full price.. Bioshock Infiinite is currently $59.99 on Steam.

Gifting is just buying a copy and sending it to another person on Steam. If you can trade now on Steam thats news to me.
 
PaulLFC said:
Hopefully. There should be no reason we shouldn't be allowed to sell our own games via eBay/Amazon/wherever
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Can you sell your iOS apps? Can you sell your Steam games? Not going to make a judgement as to whether that's 'right' or not, just that if the EU CC hasn't come down on those two prime, existing examples then why would they on this?
 
Papacheeks(GRPodcast) said:
You really have no clue do you?

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/17/43...quest-for-free-to-play-user-generated-content

If you watch Media Molecule's presentation they talk about tools provided by them and Sony fro User generated games or Mods.

I would go re watch the video, of course their not going to be as great as creating mods on a pc. But it's start, outside of multiplayer games like Timesplitters and Unreal there weren't many companies providing tools for mods and user generated content.
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Then why the hell should I care about buying a more restrictive PC if the benefits aren't even better. That was my whole argument to begin with.
 
So, I assume that you can't just give away a game for free either? There has to be money involved in the transfer involving MS and a used game store?
 
USC-fan said:
Called it. This cloud service is just for drm...
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...how else do you control a system where you have a disc but you dont need the disc to play the game? Without some sort of DRM you have to have disc in tray for every game and fast game switching is impossible or else one disc gets bought and 100000 people could play off one purchase.

this Gen is about seamless game switching even Sony showed it
 
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