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MCV: Retail sources talk used Xbox One games, £35 for used game in UK [U2: Eurogamer]

acm2000 said:
"The retailer can then sell the pre-owned game at whatever price they like, although as part of the system the publisher of the title in question will automatically receive a percentage cut of the sale."

so this makes the 10% thing a load of bollocks
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I believe the problem is the fee charged to reset ownership or whatever they are calling it. That will dictate the minimum price a retailer can sell the game at and make a profit.
 
Delusibeta said:
That's the minimum price GameStop will be permitted to sell used XbOne games, with GS only $5 of profit. Needless to say, this will kill trade in values which means there won't be many used games to sell in the first place. If this is true, they might as well have a complete block on used games, because it's simply unprofitable for retailers, even retailers as large as GameStop.
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Wow

Wow

WOOOWWW

I can't wait to see the DF for this. Unreal.
 
Mael said:
I'm starting to think that some of you are viral marketers right now.
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nope. Just a 39 year old gamer. I just am a little more level headed. I understand the angle of most of you. In college, we had one copy of Super Metroid SNES and Super Star Wars that circulated around my dorm's floor. We all pooled our money together to buy them and all borrowed from each other. I really do understand, but that was a different era. Things change. Sometimes regrettably. It's going to get very interesting. If Sony doesn't adopt the same practice as XBOne, then will publishers go more toward MS because of the larger cut of the pie?
 
Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
Explaining the £35 figure

This isn't to suggest every single game would, forever, cost £35. Rather, what is driving the figure is the illustration of the point that retailers would get an estimated 10% of whatever they sell a pre-owned game for. They could, hypothetically, sell a pre-owned game for £20 and get £2 from that sale - which, of course, is an awful margin for them. So its likely they will sell it for as much as they could feasibly get away with. The difference between the £2 and £3.50 (if they sold it for £35) would then look considerably more worthwhile in their eyes.
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Okay. So MS get 10%. That's a lot more reasonable.

WTF am I saying. It's still crap. If Sony doesn't go down this route then I'll be buying a PS4 this year. If they do then I'm sticking to PC gaming.
 
Woggerman said:
nope. Just a 39 year old gamer. I just am a little more level headed. I understand the angle of most of you. In college, we had one copy of Super Metroid SNES and Super Star Wars that circulated around my dorm's floor. We all pooled our money together to buy them and all borrowed from each other. I really do understand, but that was a different era. Things change. Sometimes regrettably. It's going to get very interesting. If Sony doesn't adopt the same practice as XBOne, then will publishers go more toward MS because of the larger cut of the pie?
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No, because nobody would be dumb enough to accept >$5 trade-in prices for their $60 game, so there would be no used games and so there would be no pie.
 
Delusibeta said:
The article then goes on to say that the minimum price Microsoft will allow is £35 per used game sold, and that the percentage Microsoft takes is 90%. Read the article.
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The writers said the 35 number was NOT from them, but another source (i.e, they can't confirm it). Besides, MSFT already hinted that used game repurcharsing won't be a "flat cost."

Seriously the logic of a flat fee is just not there. New game prices will drop under that price within months, and used will have to adjust.
 
MS does not deserve a cut from my physical media used game sale. Hopefully this will make used games non-profitable for the retailers, so they just won't carry them. Then once someone goes inside gamestop and sees all the PS4 and Wii U games but no Xbone games, it starts a chain of events that results in less Xbone sales.
 
Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
Where does it say that?
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Unconfirmed reports on ConsoleDeals.co.uk suggest that retail’s slice will be as little as ten per cent. That’s a significant cut from what it has become accustomed to from pre-owned sales and more in line with what they would receive from the sale of a new game – hence, the value of the pre-owned market to the retailer is effectively destroyed.

These same unconfirmed reports also suggest that the activation cost for consumers buying or borrowing pre-owned software will be £35.

UPDATE: Many readers are asking whether the £35 will be additional cost on top of the price of buying the game. No, we believe that the £35 figure – which is not our number, incidentally – would cover the entire transaction. If correct this would leave retail with a cut per sale of around £3.50.
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£35 minimum price, with the retailer taking 10%, implying Microsoft will take the other 90% and split it with the publisher later.
 
Whatever system they implement will still be shit for customers. Will still destroy the used game market. And will destroy new game sales.

A fair percentage of new games are made up of people using used game money.

Talk about the industry shooting itself in the head. They'll drive people to other forms of entertainment, or at least, away from console gaming.
 
A lot of analysts are changing their buy motion on gamestop to sell


Wall street don't like gamestop no more

Gamestop down 12.5% since Xbone announce
 
Lol eat shit Microsoft. It's gonna be depressing as hell when the buffoons of the gaming landscape pre-order and gobble up this shit in slobbering droves. At this point I honestly hope the XO fails horribly. Best way to fight this problem is to nip it in the bud. Too bad most of the consumer base is either misinformed, unaware or plain old self-hating.
 
coldfoot said:
MS does not deserve a cut from my physical media used game sale. Hopefully this will make used games non-profitable for the retailers, so they just won't carry them. Then once someone goes inside gamestop and sees all the PS4 and Wii U games but no Xbone games, it starts a chain of events that results in less Xbone sales.
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If MSFT gets a cut on a new game sale, why not a reduced cut on a used sale (if done at a retailer)? Not sure I follow your logic?
 
I'm starting to think that Sony must have a similar system in place (or at the very least will give publishers the option to implement something similar on a per game basis).

There's no way that MS can introduce such an anti-consumer system if not all versions of the game are subject to the same used sales restrictions.
 
Salaadin said:
Im not sure they will. If the prices on used games/trade ins change, I think most people will just take it. Id also bet that the masses dont share games as often as we do. Theyre likely not going to care too much.

Sadly, our opinion here on neogaf doesnt necessarily reflect the "real" world.
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they'll start catching on when gamestops start closing and they cannot sell the thing on ebay.
 
cyberheater said:
Okay. So MS get 10%. That's a lot more reasonable.

WTF am I saying. It's still crap. If Sony doesn't go down this route then I'll be buying a PS4 this year. If they do then I'm sticking to PC gaming.
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That is not how I understood. The retailer gets 10% of the profit, with the rest going to Microsoft/publisher.

I think the 10% goes to the retailer, from what they sold it for (plus getting back how much they paid for). This is just my interpretation of whats been revealed.

  • James sells his game to the retailer for £20.
  • Retailer sells it for £35.
  • They get 10% of that £35, plus the £20 they paid for, meaning they get £23.50.
  • The remainder (£35 - £23.50) would go to the publisher and Microsoft.
 
Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
Explaining the £35 figure

This isn't to suggest every single game would, forever, cost £35. Rather, what is driving the figure is the illustration of the point that retailers would get an estimated 10% of whatever they sell a pre-owned game for. They could, hypothetically, sell a pre-owned game for £20 and get £2 from that sale - which, of course, is an awful margin for them. So its likely they will sell it for as much as they could feasibly get away with. The difference between the £2 and £3.50 (if they sold it for £35) would then look considerably more worthwhile in their eyes.
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I'm sure £35 is used as an approximation of the $55 that the Gamestops in the US now charge for newly released used games.

It's not a fixed number, of course.
 
quest said:
It is a nice thought but the issue is they are screwing themselves in the long run. You know who this affects the most? Kids and teenagers you know the next generation of gamers who in their 20's will be buying games and supporting the industry. If there is no lending or used games. It becomes to expensive for them to game and never fall in love with the hobby. It is already happening with tablets and 1 dollar games. If Sony follows the same course gaming will be dead once the current 20's are done with game. There will be no one to take their place. All that will be left is crappy tablet/phone/FtP crap. As a aging gamer who this next gen is the last makes me sad. I was there near the beginning and seen the ups and downs of gaming. The crash of the 80's the death of the arcade. Games being only for nerds. Then the huge explosion of gaming and gaining acceptance by the masses. Now I will see the death of gaming.
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I think that would be true if it were ONLY a games machine, which is the argument MS is making. This machine does more and will become more important to your home as the generation moves on. To those 20-somethings, I completely understand. I was there since the Odyssey. I was at those arcades with the cigarette burns on the panels and the horrible smells. Those were great days. I'm not completely defending the practice. I really think it sucks. I would not have gotten through college without the renting or borrowing games. In an earlier post I said we had Super Metroid and Super Star Wars circulating around our dorm. I just need to come to grips with it.
 
Tagg9 said:
I'm starting to think that Sony must have a similar system in place (or at the very least will give publishers the option to implement something similar on a per game basis).

There's no way that MS can introduce such an anti-consumer system if not all versions of the game are subject to the same used sales restrictions.
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Yeah, I think they have made statement that it is not a console level feature but something that pubs could use or something.
 
Woggerman said:
nope. Just a 39 year old gamer. I just am a little more level headed. I understand the angle of most of you. In college, we had one copy of Super Metroid SNES and Super Star Wars that circulated around my dorm's floor. We all pooled our money together to buy them and all borrowed from each other. I really do understand, but that was a different era. Things change. Sometimes regrettably. It's going to get very interesting. If Sony doesn't adopt the same practice as XBOne, then will publishers go more toward MS because of the larger cut of the pie?
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I am 40 and thank you for making my point for me. If not for used/rentals or lending games you probably would of not became a gamer and spent money in your 20's and 30's to support it. I was in the same boat I rented games every weekend as a kid. I traded games in the local news paper as a teenager after I could drive. Then once I got my first real job I have spent easily 10's of thousands of dollars on gaming. I bought a god damn 3DO launch day lol. I would of never became a gamer if I had to pay full price for every game and could not rent/borrow/trade. It would of been to expensive and the game on my birthday and a few at xmas would of not been enough to keep me interested I gaming.
 
XBONE will bomb in the UK.
People will see used prices for XBONE games right next to PS4/Wii U used games, and wonder why they should pay more.
Besides, if this is true, expect Gamestop to push for PS4/WiiU over the XBONE, and for mom&pop stores to not even stock the XBONE.
 
Woggerman said:
nope. Just a 39 year old gamer. I just am a little more level headed. I understand the angle of most of you. In college, we had one copy of Super Metroid SNES and Super Star Wars that circulated around my dorm's floor. We all pooled our money together to buy them and all borrowed from each other. I really do understand, but that was a different era. Things change. Sometimes regrettably. It's going to get very interesting. If Sony doesn't adopt the same practice as XBOne, then will publishers go more toward MS because of the larger cut of the pie?
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I'll say this once, I bought something it's mine.
If I want to break it, piss on it, sell it, lend it or whatever doesn't interest anyone but me.
This system is probably not legal in europe anyway.
On top of that your example is the flimsiest excuse of a rationalisation I would expect from a corporate apologist more than a genuine customer
 
coldfoot said:
MS does not deserve a cut from my physical media used game sale. Hopefully this will make used games non-profitable for the retailers, so they just won't carry them. Then once someone goes inside gamestop and sees all the PS4 and Wii U games but no Xbone games, it starts a chain of events that results in less Xbone sales.
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That's hoping Sony isn't following suit with MS on this. My wish is the good will they've been riding on enough for them to just completely stay consumer friendly especially since they have a more globally focused brand than MS. This whole fiasco has me leaning towards the company that seems to respect my love of the hobby but I can't throw them a bone if they intend to throw my attention and money away to follow this bs.

Everything since the Sony conference has really positioned this as their game to lose next gen and this week has given Sony nothing but more of an incentive to keep that good will going. If they can position themselves as pro consumer, a better machine, and decent exclusives Microsoft could face a serious problem world wide and domestic.
 
Wall street just cut Gamestop from Market perform to Sell

Definition of 'Market Perform'
An investment rating used by analysts when the expectation for a given stock or investment is that it will provide returns in line with those of the S&P 500 or other leading market averages.
 
this just sounds like them putting a bottle in the baby's mouth to shut it up

it seems pointless to me. who would ever buy a new game when you could get 'used' at a lower price?

it's not the same as a physical disk/cartridge/chip that can get wear and tear/incur damage.
there's no case to open, no disk to get scratched, no manual to be lost which are all things that would previously have led to a game losing value when being sold as used.

for all intents and purposes there doesn't seem to be a difference between a 'new' game and a 'used' game in this scenario. it's just data.
plus the pubs wont care because even if people buy the game used, they'll still probably have to buy the season pass or whatever to play online.
 
I know everyone on here always seems to stick up for developers/publishers but why should they get paid more than once for the same game?
 
Mael said:
I'll say this once, I bought something it's mine.
If I want to break it, piss on it, sell it, lend it or whatever doesn't interest anyone but me.
This system is probably not legal in europe anyway.
On top of that your example is the flimsiest excuse of a rationalisation I would expect from a corporate apologist more than a genuine customer
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Anyone defending this that isn't looking out for MS/EA etc makes no sense.
 
Woggerman said:
I think that would be true if it were ONLY a games machine, which is the argument MS is making. This machine does more and will become more important to your home as the generation moves on. To those 20-somethings, I completely understand. I was there since the Odyssey. I was at those arcades with the cigarette burns on the panels and the horrible smells. Those were great days. I'm not completely defending the practice. I really think it sucks. I would not have gotten through college without the renting or borrowing games. In an earlier post I said we had Super Metroid and Super Star Wars circulating around our dorm. I just need to come to grips with it.
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You have been around long enough to know these all in 1 boxes never sell well. I think we have heard this for the 1000th time in our days. You can get a google TV for 1/4 the price and it does the same thing besides gaming. I just don't think people watch enough live TV to even think about it like the google tv device. If it replaced the cable box it might be a different story. Right now it just adds another layer to the already crappy cable box most people have. You still need a remote to watch recordings or set them up. It is a solution to a problem that no longer exists. It really is a product that is 10 years to late. All the other stuff I can do on my smart tv like amazon videos and Netflix.
 
ConfusedCat said:
Why?

Microsoft just got fined 731m by the EU for practices that are non-competitive. This smells like the exact same thing

AND

the EU is already fucking furious with MS
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This would not trigger competition law or abuse of dominant position under article 101 and 102. Trust me.
 
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