#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"

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So what...Movies cost more to produce and market.

It's one thing to try this with digital downloads quite another to manipulate a physical format with draconian measures to control all aspects of sale. Publishers don't deserve anything but first sale of a psychical product, there is no compelling argument to think otherwise.

This.

Who else gets continual money from a single product? Why are games so special that they think this is ok? When I buy a movie they don't get paid for it twice. Or a CD/MP3. Or a book. Or a car. Or a microwave. I could go on. It's absolutely insane that they think they should get paid more then once on the sale of a SINGLE product.

If they had their way, we'd have to pay each and everytime we played the game.


It's all just bullshit, it's bullshit and it's not good for ya. (rip George Carlin)
 
The PlayStation Finland tweet is gone - maybe they're not allowed to specifically reference the #ps4nodrm hashtag?
If you want to get technical about, it's not like the PS4 will have no DRM, so it'd be misleading of them to tweet that. Of course there'll be some sort of copy protection. It's just a matter of how restrictive it'll be.
 
Yeah, can't really expect it to keep up momentum for that long. Should definite do like famousmortimer suggested and tweet some more right before E3.

Just have the usuals tweet on the lead up to E3 and if nothing is heard go all out for a final push (and obviously carry on depending on how E3 actually goes haha).
 
I'll say this.

In all honesty, this whole situation doesn't effect me as much. I don't buy used,. I don't lend out many games nor do I borrow them. I rent a lot but honestly most games I rent aren't great and thus that's why I rented them...but even with all of that. Having options is always better than not.

i get that potentially used games, lending and all that jazz causes dudes to lose money..That sucks but this system only serves to fuck people over more. So I don;t buy tons of used games but what about the kids who loves games but aren't wealthy. People often point to gamespots rip off 55 dollar used games but fuck those...what about the games that are out of print but there used for 20 bucks. I knew a bunch of kids who couldn't afford the new Madden so they bough the two years old versions. They would be fucked over with this system. What about the friends who borrow games? I just didn't try out many games. i stayed in my comfort zone but my brother let me borrow NBA Live whatever. It literally got me into sports, without that I wouldn't be able to discover new stuff. Demos often suck so renting or borrowing is often the best way to get new experiences.

Regardless, like I said, fi they go with this...it wouldn't hurt me. But it would negatively effect a lot of others. In fact the used games part doesn't really bother as much as the always online and the difficulty of lending. The proposed system just cuts down the userbases. Niche games will falter because people cant take a chance on them. and in order to make up for that companies will only make even safer games. More shooters and racers because they sell.

I get that there is a problem. But I just think this method isn't too strong or misguided if that;s what they are truly targeting here.
 
Jesus Christ, in the past year or so it's like he' on a one man misson to kill all goodwill and respect he has earned from gamers. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like he's fighting on the wrong side of an imaginary war of 'us vs. them'. Not the smartest move to keep taunting and insulting the same group that buy your wares.

his bait and switch tactic and your right, he doesnt care anymore.
 
If its true that big publishers are behind this then I feel very proud of my gaming purchases last gen.

Of course it is. Its in the best interest of every big party, if everyone pulls along. Just not for the consumers.
 
A little more nuance...

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Seriously. Look, when I buy something digital, I am fully aware that I can't resell it or lend it to a friend. This is the nature of digital products, it is expected. Physical media come with entirely different expectations. If MS and Sony want Steam like DRM, they need to push digital sales instead of trying to force DRM on physical media.

This.

It's my choice whether to buy digitally and accept the limitations of such. I would expect most people to have a separate set of expectations for physical media.
 
Getting late over here in the UK, time for US gaf to keep this going over night :) Hopefully this will get even more exposure with people back to work tomorrow.
 
In the UK there's a new law that should be coming in soon that states you're entitled to "Compensation if a game bought online is repeatedly inaccessible or it keeps freezing", should be interesting if Microsoft have issues with their 24 hour checks.

In general laws trump EULAs but there are a few grey areas at the moment, hopefully the new bill will clear up any confusion in the UK.

http://www.develop-online.net/news/44129/Govt-plans-new-consumer-rights-for-digital-games
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2013/may/06/queens-speech-consumer-bill-of-rights
 
I'm 27, so I don't know if you consider that young. I wasn't aware of PC games having had a used game market, I'm just saying that Valve acknowledges the possibility that Steam could shut down one day, and if it did, it's customers would have nothing to worry about. They deserve a little credit for coming out ahead of that lingering question, and smacking everyone with reassurance. If I buy something digitally on iTunes, I'm not allowed to resell it to anyone. Why should I expect that from Steam?

Talk is cheap. People put way too much trust into Steam/Valve just because they came out and said once that they have "measures" in place in the event that they go away. Valve doesn't own all the games on their service and ultimately the publishers of each respective game have the final say as to how to deal with a Steam worse-case-scenario and they have no legal obligation to honor Steam purchases. For that matter, as far as I know this isn't mentioned in Steam's TOS so Valve themselves have no legal obligation to honor purchases when/if they go away.
 
Oh and it 'costs' the author a lot more to write a great novel than EA to shovel out FIFA 14 :)

But hey, if you feel passionately about the the 'lost' revenue owed to the hard working publishers, the next time you buy or borrow a current gen videogame, send the publisher a check.
 
AFAIK, this is how it's always been for PC gaming. At least there is avenue provided to customers to get all the shit they paid for. You can't sit there and say that Gabe and Valve isn't taking care of its customers.

So young, the older days of PC gaming were much different. You just have to look back 13 years ago. Then we saw it get destroyed by the publishers. :(
 
So young, the older days of PC gaming were much different. You just have to look back 13 years ago. Then we saw it get destroyed by the publishers. :(

I'm trying to remember, but there was one rental chain back in the early 90s that actually rented PC games. It was hilarious (and kinda awesome.)
 
Talk is cheap. People put way too much trust into Steam/Valve just because they came out and said once that they have "measures" in place in the event that they go away. Valve doesn't own all the games on their service and ultimately the publishers of each respective game have the final say as to how to deal with a Steam worse-case-scenario and they have no legal obligation to honor Steam purchases. For that matter, as far as I know this isn't mentioned in Steam's TOS so Valve themselves have no legal obligation to honor purchases when/if they go away.

So young, the older days of PC gaming were much different. You just have to look back 13 years ago. Then we saw it get destroyed by the publishers. :(

You guys are some old cynical bastards.

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Cliffy does asume a lot of things about the people who actually supported him. How the hell did he get so high n mighty suddenly, as if running a business is some sort of magical rocket science gamers couldn't possibly comprehend.

You used to be this cool guy Cliff. Now you are just a man named CliffyB on Twitter, insulting the same people that love everything about games and everything that surrounds it. Way to go!
 
I think this video should be good for an animated gif by someone who knows how to make them. Shop Kaz's or Cerny's head onto Robb Stark's.

Suggestion for captions:

The proper cause is clear. Promise DRM for EA’s sake and join our forces with theirs

EA are not kingmakers

You cannot mean to yield the next generation to Microsoft, my Lord? They want you dead

That doesn’t make EA kingmakers. All gamers hate them. Gamers won’t support a console with DRM. We can’t win without gamers.

Do you mean to yield EA to Microsoft?

EA is not right!

My lords. My lords! Here is what I say to EA and Microsoft! Electronic Arts are nothing to me. Nor Activision neither! Why should they rule over me and my games from some always-online server? What do they know of passion for gaming? And their games are shit! Why shouldn’t gamers rule themselves again? Xbone bowed to DRM. And now Xbone is dead. A company which respects its customers is the only one I will be loyal to. #PS4NoDRM

I’d buy a PS4 on those terms. They can keep their timed-exclusive DLC. And Respawn’s game too. #PS4NoDRM

Will Sony look out for gamers? Now and always?

Now and always.

My money is yours, in victory and defeat, from this day, until my last day.

#PS4NoDRM

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There's either something I absolutely don't understand or these people actually don't know anything about economics. They're complaining about people spending money in a market that just isn't theirs. They want revenue from a market where they're not present.

People usually don't go out and say “I want this game, I'll pay whatever it costs”. They have a limited amount of money and they want to spend a specific amount on a game. That price is $60-X. Game publishers are not offering a product at $60-X. End of story.

Publishers and developers have been crybabies for a long time, and the only reason why I'd like to see a always online, no used games future is to experience the moment when they finally have to stop blaming everyone for their own shortcomings.

The video game industry might be young but it's not that young anymore. Some of the publishers have had decades to convince me to keep my games and they've done nothing. Their newest tactic this generation was to convince me that I couldn't possibly have played all of the content I want when I played the game. I was supposed to keep it and, of course, keep spending additional money. Instead of rewarding me for buying early and not selling they've been trying to get me to spend more and more. The Game Of The Year Edition will get you more content for less money, but hey... you were the one who was dumb enough to pay full price on Day 1 so why would they care?

Very few companies have given me reasons to keep my games. Alan Wake was a cool package. I got the game, some bonus stuff, soundtrack and additional DLC. The DLC was released later on. I was rewarded for buying on Day 1 (with the cool collector's edition) and I was rewarded for keeping the game (DLC content). Then it somehow shifted to “You get the full game if you buy new, people who buy used won't be able to play online”. This added nothing and didn't influence me positively at all. It caused me to not buy games.
 
Well I tweeted this to 6 of the names listed in the OP:
Buying #ps4 day 1 instead of xbox if Sony does right by their customers. Don't be like Microsoft #ps4NoDRM
 
hate stuff like this, what the fuck is he pointing out exactly? That developers deserve more money? OK THURBUDY. Thanks for the knowledge.

It is simple for me. Gamestop is the villain to devs/publishers and they should be going direct to them and thrashing a deal out of them. Leave us consumers and our consoles alone.

I know that probably isn't the full answer, but still......
 
It's easy to be an outraged consumer when Publishers are getting money at our expense. I don't know what the total answer is, but I certainly know what it isn't.

There is no excuse. You can't make the actual experience of buying, using and extended fair use of a product worse to recoup revenue that doesn't belong to you in the first place.

It's simple. Cut and dry.

In our all digital download future. The lords better figure out how to reestablish some of the basic freedoms of physical media we have lost. But hey, we'll all be to busy playing ground breaking games to remember the days when the act of using product didn't feel like a contract with the devil.
 
It is simple for me. Gamestop is the villain to devs/publishers and they should be going direct to them and thrashing a deal out of them. Leave us consumers and our consoles alone.

I know that probably isn't the full answer, but still......

Customers have only themselves to blame if they support shit like this. I hope all the people worried about platform owners blocking used games and extensive DRM usage bought a Wii U!
 
Surely instead of screwing over consumers can't the developers and publishers instead live within their means and deliver what is sustainable instead of producing AAA dross when some of the games don't warrant or require that level of development. They keep telling us that the consumer demands triple A but it's hard to prove that's not the case when triple A is all they give us, surely the indie movement shows that we do want non-triple A linear scripted bs.
 
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